Nike 373 Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Well, based on Arsenal Mania, they seem to think Ramsey currently has been terrible. Also they play different positions. Isn't Ramsey the same as Cesc? A #7 as Mourinho would call? While Oscar can tackle and press, he's still a #10 - even if it not the most creative, although he shows some flashes now and then. At most I'd label him as an #8, but mostly a #10. So I don't see how Ramsey - who's supposedly the same as Cesc (at least imo), a #7 with some creativity could be comparable with Oscar - a #10 with a few shortcomings. Those kind of players balance each other, but they don't replace each other. Also I've read a lot of criticism towards Ramsey lately... even from Arse fans.I wouldn't go as far, but Costa >>>>>>> Danielexactly...Ramsey was shit and pop ups randomly for a tap in.... People just see MOTM highlights and not games... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevemayer 764 Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 how much football he has played isn't important to me, he is payed a shitload of money... So he HAS to give his all. My respect for him has fallen apart after what he did before the WC. So far he has a point to prove to ME (as a fan) and to nobody else. He had decent 60 Minutes against Swans (first 30 min. he was awfull imho). Te previous games he wasn't good to me neither. So lets hope he can pick up his form. He is still young. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyalBlues 4,050 Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 He had decent 60 Minutes against Swans (first 30 min. he was awfull imho).Everybody was shit in the first 30 minutes, not just him alone. nyikolajevics 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevemayer 764 Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Everybody was shit in the first 30 minutes, not just him alone.True, but he has been shit since mid of Dec (for Chelsea). So it was a bad start by the team as a whole fine, but he has a longer period of being "average" to bad... stroey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
termninja 5,290 Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 What was frustrating was he's still an unfair target and a scapegoat here whenever we're anything below top class. I read people calling for him to come off in the first half ... why? Everyone bar Hazard was bad in that first half, especially for the first 20 mins.Simple mate, we always need a scrapegoat. Kalou, Malouda, then Torres (and Ramires a few times) and now Oscar. He was great against Swansea. Shame that backheel didn't get in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevemayer 764 Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Simple mate, we always need a scrapegoat. Kalou, Malouda, then Torres (and Ramires a few times) and now Oscar. He was great against Swansea. Shame that backheel didn't get in.this scapegoat excuse always comes up when there is nothing more left to argue about and the "fans" of a ceratin player dont know what to say else. He to mi isn't a scapegoat he has lost his form, he was in scintillaiting form at the beginning of 2013/14 campaign, because he did what was needed that time, play a high energetic game, without the fancy shmancy flashy stuff... he still doesn't do the latter but neither he does the other things. He is technically gifted for sure but no hazard, cesc, sala or mata. He is more like Shürrle. At the moment he is one of the weaker ones and I hope he gets over dis pretty long going period... stroey, Amblève. and Shaan 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanishBlue 426 Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Salah.. Technically gifted? Haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nono 791 Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 I was watching both Scum and Gooners ,, still not sure who is best Coutinho or Ozil ........................................... or Sidwelllol Gilvorak 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevemayer 764 Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Salah.. Technically gifted? Haha In comparison to oscar he is probably a Maradonna, no disrespect, because Oscars game isn't based at that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
termninja 5,290 Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 this scapegoat excuse always comes up when there is nothing more left to argue about and the "fans" of a ceratin player dont know what to say else. He to mi isn't a scapegoat he has lost his form, he was in scintillaiting form at the beginning of 2013/14 campaign, because he did what was needed that time, play a high energetic game, without the fancy shmancy flashy stuff... he still doesn't do the latter but neither he does the other things. He is technically gifted for sure but no hazard, cesc, sala or mata. He is more like Shürrle. At the moment he is one of the weaker ones and I hope he gets over dis pretty long going period...I agree with that. Oscar was below expectation for a while and I believe we can all agree on that. My biggest issue with some fans is when the following happens:Player A is a scrapegoat.Player A plays badly, Player B plays badly => Fans: Player A was bloody awful!Player A does alright, player B is invisible => Fans: Player A was awful, the hell was that?And yeah, he has the biggest chance of dropping to the bench since our defense is leaking and we all know Jose doesn't like that. I said it the moment we signed Fabregas that Oscar's position in team is under threat and I still remain under that impression. Sure, they are not on the same position, but generally I find our team much nicely balanced with Ramires playing with Cesc and Matic in a midfield trio. They can defend, they can pass, they can run, they can press, really complete trio I must say.Still to early to judge for me though, I'll give Oscar until January to show what he can do and they say what I generally think. This ain't FIFA after all ... Clevemayer and Dion 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevemayer 764 Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 I agree with that. Oscar was below expectation for a while and I believe we can all agree on that. My biggest issue with some fans is when the following happens:Player A is a scrapegoat.Player A plays badly, Player B plays badly => Fans: Player A was bloody awful!Player A does alright, player B is invisible => Fans: Player A was awful, the hell was that?And yeah, he has the biggest chance of dropping to the bench since our defense is leaking and we all know Jose doesn't like that. I said it the moment we signed Fabregas that Oscar's position in team is under threat and I still remain under that impression. Sure, they are not on the same position, but generally I find our team much nicely balanced with Ramires playing with Cesc and Matic in a midfield trio. They can defend, they can pass, they can run, they can press, really complete trio I must say.Still to early to judge for me though, I'll give Oscar until January to show what he can do and they say what I generally think. This ain't FIFA after all ...this is pretty much my opinion at this case, too... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmax 9,219 Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 this scapegoat excuse always comes up when there is nothing more left to argue about and the "fans" of a ceratin player dont know what to say else. He to mi isn't a scapegoat he has lost his form, he was in scintillaiting form at the beginning of 2013/14 campaign, because he did what was needed that time, play a high energetic game, without the fancy shmancy flashy stuff... he still doesn't do the latter but neither he does the other things. He is technically gifted for sure but no hazard, cesc, sala or mata. He is more like Shürrle. At the moment he is one of the weaker ones and I hope he gets over dis pretty long going period...Well if you look back through my post history, you'll find I'm far from a blind Oscar fan who cries 'scapegoat' if his weaknesses are pointed out. What I didn't like in the Swansea game was that he was being depicted on the match thread as one of the worst players on the pitch when (to my mind) that wasn't true. He was part of a below par front 6 for sure, but no worse than anyone bar Hazard. That is what led me to make the original comment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rom2013 446 Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Oscar is from the players that usually start for us clearly the weakest link. He plays badly in this team for more than 6 months. The last game was not a graet game, that's how he should play every game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nike 373 Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 I agree with that. Oscar was below expectation for a while and I believe we can all agree on that. My biggest issue with some fans is when the following happens:Player A is a scrapegoat.Player A plays badly, Player B plays badly => Fans: Player A was bloody awful!Player A does alright, player B is invisible => Fans: Player A was awful, the hell was that?And yeah, he has the biggest chance of dropping to the bench since our defense is leaking and we all know Jose doesn't like that. I said it the moment we signed Fabregas that Oscar's position in team is under threat and I still remain under that impression. Sure, they are not on the same position, but generally I find our team much nicely balanced with Ramires playing with Cesc and Matic in a midfield trio. They can defend, they can pass, they can run, they can press, really complete trio I must say.Still to early to judge for me though, I'll give Oscar until January to show what he can do and they say what I generally think. This ain't FIFA after all ...DIsagree. Cesc cant play the role OScar plays and the role Jose wants..Unless, Jose officially moves to 4-3-3 with ramires, than I dont see how its possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbara 15,149 Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 In comparison to oscar he is probably a Maradonna, no disrespect, because Oscars game isn't based at that...LMAO Chelsea Legend 11, iseah100 and jeronimo 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbara 15,149 Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 I don't get most people who criticize Oscar.Today I thought he was deserving of some criticism, but it's been almost four hours since the match ended and nobody said anything.What did he bring to the table today? He wasn't awful, but José brought him when he needed changes, when someone needed to turn things around and get them going and he contributed with nothing. I had some stream issues at the end of the match, but honestly, I can't even remember Oscar in the pitch except when the camera focused on him when he was introduced in the match.He was a passenger, added nothing and was just a waste of space. I'd rather have kept Willian - who wasn't brilliant, but was there.So it actually surprises me that when he actually doesn't have a good match no word is said here (but when he's decent or even good people nitpick everything about his performance). Maybe he was so invisible today that people forgot he was even there, but then again, the usual suspects never miss anything.Hope if he plays any part against City that he makes much more than he did today, as that equaled to a very round, bold zero... Stats 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dion 2,476 Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 I don't get most people who criticize Oscar.Today I thought he was deserving of some criticism, but it's been almost four hours since the match ended and nobody said anything.What did he bring to the table today? He wasn't awful, but José brought him when he needed changes, when someone needed to turn things around and get them going and he contributed with nothing. I had some stream issues at the end of the match, but honestly, I can't even remember Oscar in the pitch except when the camera focused on him when he was introduced in the match.He was a passenger, added nothing and was just a waste of space. I'd rather have kept Willian - who wasn't brilliant, but was there.So it actually surprises me that when he actually doesn't have a good match no word is said here (but when he's decent or even good people nitpick everything about his performance). Maybe he was so invisible today that people forgot he was even there, but then again, the usual suspects never miss anything.Hope if he plays any part against City that he makes much more than he did today, as that equaled to a very round, bold zero...He was so invisible not even his critics remember he played I said it before, most of the times the criticism upon Oscar sounds completely random and that's what annoys me the most, he plays well or okay and people want his head - he comes on, changes nothing, contributes to nothing and then we get silence here... Barbara 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndersonBLUE 819 Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 I'm one of his biggest critics but constantly bashing after every game is just stupidI don't need to analyze him after every game but every so often to get a better judgement on him Bir_CFC 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlueGuy 1,552 Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 Analyses what about Oscar yesterday? He had a poor game but Fabregas and Drogba arguably had even worse games so obviously the tension is on them more than him. This type of performance is what you call a Mikel, didn't do anything extremely bad or anything good worth noticeable aka Cleverley type performances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Styles 9,790 Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 Father and son. The Skipper, bababoom and Barbara 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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