Sheva. 5,373 Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 You are one of the very few who understands that. But I am sure most of the folks here are gonna talk shit about him when he struggles ignoring the fact that they were jizzing on a 20yr olds performance against under 23 sides of Honduras and other smaller countries. Premier League is a totally different animal. He has the talent to succeed but going by the posts here too much is expected out of him too soon.There's nothing wrong with getting excited about Oscar's performances in the Olympics.He's a young player doing very well against players in the same age bracket, it would have been understandable if your argument was over people getting excited with someone like Hulk tearing everyone apart, which funnily enough he isn't doing Anyway i watched him before the Olympics in friendlies against Denmark, USA and Argentina (like Land mentioned) and he impressed me there also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hutcho 8,443 Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 Surely the fact he is only 20 is another reason to get more excited about him... As in he can play for loads more years and is still improving... If the alternative in that 3 is going to be Raul Merieles or Ramires, then we are entitled to get excited about the prospect of Oscar... He doesn't have to have an amazing first season, but the kid has a lot of talent, and i have no doubt our team is better with him in it that not... Adding to the fact he could have went to twattenham, makes this a great thing for Chelsea... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HNKS 508 Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sui4Xw-uPl4He is looking very solid. Fingers crossed he adapts well. manpe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manpe 10,861 Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 What is his history with injuries? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Land 331 Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 No injuries.He didnt play for around 4 months but that was because of contract problems between Sao Paulo and Internacional manpe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose M 140 Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 Oscar looks surprisingly strong on his feet for such a small frame. He must have epic core to run so upright and burst into a gap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beigl 1,387 Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 I am glad to see him at Chelsea,he was terrific at the Olympics.I don´t care about the number,to be honest 1-11 shouldn´t never be retired.I think numbers of great player´s,whose left the club,should been given to young players with good prospects,whose could as good,or even better as the player who had worn it before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLion. 21,491 Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 I absolutely adore his style of play. The way he demands the ball suggests he is the true sort of playmaker we are after. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kieran. 6,317 Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 Haven't been this excited about a signing since Drogba. Henrique, Justin_3d and Peace. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fulham Broadway 17,312 Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 Unlike several others jizzing over Oscar after vieweing the Olympics where most are under 23 players, I feel he will struggle in Premier League in the first season. Brazilian players from midfielders to defenders to strikers are ball hoggers. Oscar will learn the harsh way that in premier league you cant keep the ball with you for too long as the game moves fast and tackles are flying. Ramirez and Luiz experienced it the hard way.He is the playmaker in the midfield and he will have tackles flying at him. He is just 20 and he will learn. He will lose the ball as a result and this could harm us.See what youre saying and Ramires took near enough a season to be comfortable -but we have quite a few boys from Brazil now who will let him know the SP. The Premier league can be physical, but the South American leagues are quite fond of kicking lumps out of each other as well, so not much of a learning curve in that respect.. theres the wet and freezing Wednesday night away at Sunderland argument, but most players know their full responsibilities now with a few exceptions ie Tevez.With regard to positioning theres too much pigeon holeing going on -flexibilty, as with Luiz and Ramires all over the shop, is the key but behind and feeding Torres could be devastating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinol 337 Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 No injuries.He didnt play for around 4 months but that was because of contract problems between Sao Paulo and InternacionalI got this from his Wikipedia page, so i dont know if its true...Oscar's first season at Internacional was blighted by injury. However, he excelled in the 2011 season, making 44 appearances, scoring 13 goals and creating 13 assists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace. 4,352 Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 Oscar, Hazard, Mata will all drift towards the centre limiting width. All three will also try to dictate play and probably just end up getting in each other's way.This is exactly where the manager's coaching skills intervene, bro. If our manager cannot manage to give them the right instructions, and fails to be respected by them, then yes, these three players will end up walking in each other's way.Though, if our manager tells them the right things to do on the pitch, and if they respect what Di Matteo told them to do, there shouldn't be any problems. Oscar, Hazard and Mata seem to be three clever players. The belgian and spaniard have the abilities to play in various positions on the pitch, as it seems to be also the case for Oscar.Oscar said he was ready to play wherever the coach was asking him to play. Mata doesn't come across as a man who doesn't go against his coach's instructions. As for Hazard, I don't know enough of his temper. But all in all, there neither shouldn't be any problem regarding their willingness to play 'out of position'.The bottom line is : if Roberto Di Matteo gets his job right, we shouldn't be worried about your concern. royg and Henrique 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Land 331 Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 I got this from his Wikipedia page, so i dont know if its true...He wasnt even a starter in 2010 so idk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TorontoChelsea 4,064 Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 Surely the fact he is only 20 is another reason to get more excited about him... As in he can play for loads more years and is still improving... If the alternative in that 3 is going to be Raul Merieles or Ramires, then we are entitled to get excited about the prospect of Oscar... He doesn't have to have an amazing first season, but the kid has a lot of talent, and i have no doubt our team is better with him in it that not... Adding to the fact he could have went to twattenham, makes this a great thing for Chelsea... I agree with this. He'll only be 21 this season so him not being a superstar immediately doesn't mean he won't develop well. The issue is that if people expect too much right away, they will inevitably be disappointed. You saw some people on this board after Hazard's first poor pre-season game berating him. I expect Oscar to be a very good player long-term but he may take a year or two to get there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TorontoChelsea 4,064 Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 And where is Uruguay now mate? You're kinda disagreeing with yourself mate.What about Spain? Are you telling me they are League One standard?Brazil didn't play Uruguay or Spain. (And there is no contradiction in saying that Uruguay was trying and still got knocked off). and Spain left their best players at home. Brazil has faced the under-23 sides of Belarus, New Zealand, Egypt, Honduras, and South Korea. The best team Brazil will face all tournament might be Mexico and their top player is probably Giovanni dos Santos who hasn't been good enough to be on the Spurs squad. It's a very weak tournament. warnie_666 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDY 1,290 Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 Brazil didn't play Uruguay or Spain. (And there is no contradiction in saying that Uruguay was trying and still got knocked off). and Spain left their best players at home.Spain left their best players at home, really? Other than Thiago (who is injured), who are these 'best players' they didn't bring?The best team Brazil will face all tournament might be Mexico and their top player is probably Giovanni dos Santos who hasn't been good enough to be on the Spurs squad.Egypt and Korea are arguably better than Mexico.It's a very weak tournament.On paper with the teams involved it look weak, yes. But they are better than you give them credit for. If these teams were so poor why have some of the supposed best players looked so average. Cavani was almost non-existent, Hulk has looked mediocre, Mata, Javi Martinez, Sturridge etc.Only a handfall of players have been really impressive, in particular Marcelo, Romulo, and Neymar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Fong 2,776 Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 Brazil didn't play Uruguay or Spain It's completely irrelevant to this argument.You said Brazil and Uruguay are the only decent teams, and the fact is Uruguay couldn't even survive in the group stage, a group consists of GB, Senegal and UAE!It tells you that other teams are no pushovers and you didn't give them enough credit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TorontoChelsea 4,064 Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 It's completely irrelevant to this argument.You said Brazil and Uruguay are the only decent teams, and the fact is Uruguay couldn't even survive in the group stage, a group consists of GB, Senegal and UAE!It tells you that other teams are no pushovers and you didn't give them enough credit.No, it doesn't. Uruguay had a pretty good roster and lost to some poor teams. Britain was one of the better teams in the tournament and they weren't any good. It happens. The best team doesn't always win. It doesn't mean that the other teams were necessarily good. Brazil could have easily lost to Honduras, it doesn't mean they are a worse team., Just go and look at the Olympic rosters of the teams. Saying that they are quality is just ridiculous. Mexico is in the final and every single player except Dos Santos plays in the Mexican League which is a pretty poor league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TorontoChelsea 4,064 Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 Spain left their best players at home, really? Other than Thiago (who is injured), who are these 'best players' they didn't bring?Egypt and Korea are arguably better than Mexico.On paper with the teams involved it look weak, yes. But they are better than you give them credit for. If these teams were so poor why have some of the supposed best players looked so average. Cavani was almost non-existent, Hulk has looked mediocre, Mata, Javi Martinez, Sturridge etc.Only a handfall of players have been really impressive, in particular Marcelo, Romulo, and Neymar.Spain didn't bring any of their best senior players. No Xavi, no Iniesta, no Ramos, etc...The logic that the competition must be good because good players have looked mediocre is ridiculous. Because Chelsea lost to Brighton, does that mean that Brighton are Champions' League contenders? Hazard played poorly, so therefore Brighton's players are really amazing. It doesn't work like that. Good players will have mediocre games against poor teams sometimes.(Especially, as was the case for most teams apart from Brazil, when the players have barely played together.) And yes, Egypt and Korea might almost be as good as Mexico because they are all poor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Fong 2,776 Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 Uruguay had a pretty good roster and lost to some poor teams. So basically you evaluate a team based on its roster rather than actual performance, no? The best team doesn't always win. It doesn't mean that the other teams were necessarily good How can I possibly win an argument with you Sir, you said it all! lol Brazil could have easily lost to Honduras, it doesn't mean they are a worse team. No it doesn't, it means Honduras was not bad at all!I think it would be meaningless to carry on this because we hold completely different perceptions, so let's drop it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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