DYC. 7,542 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 I totally disagree. In 2002 when Brazil won the world cup it was SO CLEAR that Scolari had nothing to do with it. It was all up to the players and their individuality. The team had no tactics, like when they were under Zagalo or Carlos Alberto. In this world cup, since the start, everyone including Brazilians noticed that this team is not performing well. In group stages Brazil was playing LONG AIR BALLS ALL THE TIME. Brazilians do not do that. Marcelo is a good player, Luiz, is a good player, Alves and Silva too. But their defense looked shaky from the start. When players perform well in their club and under a new manager and style they look like a crappy unit, it tells you something about the manager's defensive tactics. Forget that, look at the midfield selection. Ramires?! Paulinho?! Look at the striker selections, Fred?! Jo?!. Look even at the way the TRIED to transition to attack or build up play. You will not find anything clear or distinctive other than individuality. And most of it came from Neymar. I am not talking about the game against Germany ONLY. I am talking from the start of the world cup. EVERY single player looked totally lost in EVERY SINGLE MATCH. Brazil only showed glimpses in the first 25-30 mins againstColombia. And that was again based on individuality and excitement, along with the fear of the Colombians and the worst refereeing. Scolari himself said in the press conference that it was his fault for the selection he made. Putting individuals together in a team does not qualify a person to be a manger. It is how they play together and the cohesion of the team. The tactics and the way they approach every single match. Spain fell because of the players, tired, old....etc, but it was clear that had a strategy. Brazil.......no strategy, no tactics, no identity. That falls on the coach for his selections and tactics.The coach plays a part but I disagree about how big his part is. The huge expectations and immense pressure was key in the way the players performed imo. They tried too hard. It's like driving a car and never taking your foot off the gas pedal.Where was all this 'Scolari is completely incompetent' talk during the Confed Cup btw? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mohammed Seif 1,451 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 The coach plays a part but I disagree about how big his part is. The huge expectations and immense pressure was key in the way the players performed imo. They tried too hard. It's like driving a car and never taking your foot off the gas pedal.Where was all this 'Scolari is completely incompetent' talk during the Confed Cup btw?Buddy, that has always been my opinion on Scolari ever since I saw what he produced with a team that had Ronaldo, Rivaldo, Ronaldinho, Juninho, Roberto Carlos, Lucio,....etc. Anyways, I wasn't referring to yesterday's performance. I am talking in general. Can you define a tactic that Brazil uses? I don't think so. Have seen a game for Brazil in this world cup with clear cut tactics? Perhaps a build up play that you see as a pattern? I really doubt. The 2002 squad were much more talented, and had already proven themselves and have been in tough situations with clubs a lot. This team is too young. You can't do that to young people. If you realize, even the Brazilians on this forum were not satisfied with the way Brazil played from their opening match. However, what hides it is a victory. What is the difference between Algeria, Ghana, USA, and Brazil? Who is more experienced, plays in top leagues, has an "experienced" coach, has higher talents? I agree that the expectations etc etc do have an effect and could have played a part. But again, what happened to the mental preparation the coach do or other staff do? They conceded 4 goals in 6 mins!!! What was worse, is that they showed no signs of putting the effort to come back with the exception of a couple of players. When you have a young team like this mate, the coach has a HUGE responsibility. The Skipper, Korea, LAB and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DYC. 7,542 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Buddy, that has always been my opinion on Scolari ever since I saw what he produced with a team that had Ronaldo, Rivaldo, Ronaldinho, Juninho, Roberto Carlos, Lucio,....etc. Anyways, I wasn't referring to yesterday's performance. I am talking in general. Can you define a tactic that Brazil uses? I don't think so. Have seen a game for Brazil in this world cup with clear cut tactics? Perhaps a build up play that you see as a pattern? I really doubt. The 2002 squad were much more talented, and had already proven themselves and have been in tough situations with clubs a lot. This team is too young. You can't do that to young people. If you realize, even the Brazilians on this forum were not satisfied with the way Brazil played from their opening match. However, what hides it is a victory. What is the difference between Algeria, Ghana, USA, and Brazil? Who is more experienced, plays in top leagues, has an "experienced" coach, has higher talents? I agree that the expectations etc etc do have an effect and could have played a part. But again, what happened to the mental preparation the coach do or other staff do? They conceded 4 goals in 6 mins!!! What was worse, is that they showed no signs of putting the effort to come back with the exception of a couple of players. When you have a young team like this mate, the coach has a HUGE responsibility.You don't have to tell me Brazil did not look good this World Cup. But they looked much better before the World Cup. That's why I say, the pressure got to them. The whole fantasy of winning the World Cup in their own home, overcoming the trauma of 1950, the political pressure etc.Again, this team was unrecognizable compared to the performances before the World Cup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mohammed Seif 1,451 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 You don't have to tell me Brazil did not look good this World Cup. But they looked much better before the World Cup. That's why I say, the pressure got to them. The whole fantasy of winning the World Cup in their own home, overcoming the trauma of 1950, the political pressure etc.Again, this team was unrecognizable compared to the performances before the World Cup.Come on man . Pressure in ALL 5 MATCHES, including a match in the group stage against TERRIBLE OLD Cameroon after they have qualified. I haven't seen any build up patterns in the team. Brazil doesn't kick the ball around and play long wishful passes. It is more than just pressure. The final game was just a summary. Remember this, now that Brazil is going to play for the third position ( hopefully against Argentina ), you will still see no pattern what so ever. You might see a stronger fighting spirit in an attempt to redeem themselves, but still with no tactics. Can you see how Jose, takes the pressure off the players and mentally prepares them. I think Chelsea's gameplay is not the most exciting one, but I see a tactic. You are Dutch, can you see how Louis Van Gaal prepares a his young inexperienced team. Sure they might lose, but you can see a system. Pressure does not make you LOSE a system, pressure makes you miss pass, rush a couple of things, but not play randomly. You have to be a really weak individual to completely forget everything. And if that happens, maybe to a couple of players, not the entire squad. 1950 wasn't a trauma, simply because Brazil was a nobody in football. It was just starting to find itself. And I say this with all respect to Brazil. That so called trauma, Brazil overcame by becoming the best country that plays football and has the most titles. If Scolari was really a smart coach, then after that second game against Mexico, he should have realized that the not so convincing performance they had in the first game carried on in the second. Therefore he should have tried to make some adjustments. Instead all he did was sub Fernandinho for Paulinho. That is it. Not good enough I think. So let us agree to disagree mate. But I respect your point of view. Barbara and zolayes 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAB 1,030 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Well, what doesn't kill you, can only make you stronger. Oscar was slapped big time yesterday and hopefully this will get his feet back on the ground. If he is truly a professional he will be thirsty to try playing his best again for Chelsea. No more BS, time to get a rest and start working really hard after that. Make or break, definitely now. RoyalBlues 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! bababoom 4,478 Posted July 9, 2014 Popular Post! Share Posted July 9, 2014 It was like his career for chelsea scaled down to three weeks, First match good, after that he slowly gets worse. I understand the tactics wasn't great but the player also holds some responsibility, going forward he was dreadful. Stats, Azpinator, chelseathebest and 9 others 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea? 892 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 As title hopefuls, can we go into the season with him as our #10? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesman2610 1,417 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Why everyone keeps putting so much weight on the #10 I don't get.. when it is clear to me when watching us play the guy who is given the responsibility to create our attacks is Eden Hazard has been from the beginning of the season. Arsenal play with Ozil as #10 and he doesn't play behind striker .. Oscar position behind the striker in our set up anyway is a more tactical approach because what he can off both offensively and defensively. Hence why when he was dropped it wasn't just a simple fix to play Hazard centrally Mou chose to play Willian there instead. Oscar needs to do better, if this forum is any indication of Chelsea fans on a whole he will be sold because he is not "good enough" .. Something I disagree with because Oscar main problem is his consistency and always would be for a 22 year old. Messi and Ronaldo, Robben or Ribery were not consistent at 22 either and back then showed flashes but faith from supporters and manager allowed them to mature and turn into the best players in world football. Yes at a club like Chelsea we have title aspirations but so do all the teams those players play for and still were given time. Get off the kids back and get behind him. This go equally for Hazard too young kid poor WC and some are doubting his commitment to be a top player . When these players find their consistency I'd rather they be Chelsea players than playing against us. zolayes and Mohammed Seif 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bethos1 802 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Why everyone keeps putting so much weight on the #10 I don't get.. when it is clear to me when watching us play the guy who is given the responsibility to create our attacks is Eden Hazard has been from the beginning of the season. Arsenal play with Ozil as #10 and he doesn't play behind striker .. Oscar position behind the striker in our set up anyway is a more tactical approach because what he can off both offensively and defensively. Hence why when he was dropped it wasn't just a simple fix to play Hazard centrally Mou chose to play Willian there instead. Oscar needs to do better, if this forum is any indication of Chelsea fans on a whole he will be sold because he is not "good enough" .. Something I disagree with because Oscar main problem is his consistency and always would be for a 22 year old. Messi and Ronaldo, Robben or Ribery were not consistent at 22 either and back then showed flashes but faith from supporters and manager allowed them to mature and turn into the best players in world football. Yes at a club like Chelsea we have title aspirations but so do all the teams those players play for and still were given time. Get off the kids back and get behind him. This go equally for Hazard too young kid poor WC and some are doubting his commitment to be a top player . When these players find their consistency I'd rather they be Chelsea players than playing against us. Well Messi, Robben and Ronaldo were a lot more consistent. Oscar hasn't played a good game in 5-6 months for us, we can't have someone in the team who is playing badly for months and months and months. He has to step it up again like he did in the first months of last season, if he doesn't do that what's the point in keeping him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korea 734 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Well Messi, Robben and Ronaldo were a lot more consistent. Oscar hasn't played a good game in 5-6 months for us, we can't have someone in the team who is playing badly for months and months and months. He has to step it up again like he did in the first months of last season, if he doesn't do that what's the point in keeping him?Really?Not one good game... OK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korea 734 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 It was like his career for chelsea scaled down to three weeks, First match good, after that he slowly gets worse. I understand the tactics wasn't great but the player also holds some responsibility, going forward he was dreadful.He was bad going forward this summer.However, so was Neymar and Hulk. I think tactics had a lot to do with all their production. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bethos1 802 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Really?Not one good game... OKMaybe 1 decent game, but I can't remember one. Still that's not good enough 1 or 2 games in months doesn't really matter. He will have to perform again next season and I'm hoping he does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAM09 7,054 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Oscar might have been played out of position, but he did very little throughout this WC. I hope he manages to rediscover his form before the season starts! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,141 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 He's got a huge fight on his hands with Cesc now in the frame. People talk about this season being a possible make or break for Jose, you can stick Oscar in there too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel1980 1,425 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Why everyone keeps putting so much weight on the #10 I don't get.. when it is clear to me when watching us play the guy who is given the responsibility to create our attacks is Eden Hazard has been from the beginning of the season. Arsenal play with Ozil as #10 and he doesn't play behind striker .. Oscar position behind the striker in our set up anyway is a more tactical approach because what he can off both offensively and defensively. Hence why when he was dropped it wasn't just a simple fix to play Hazard centrally Mou chose to play Willian there instead. Oscar needs to do better, if this forum is any indication of Chelsea fans on a whole he will be sold because he is not "good enough" .. Something I disagree with because Oscar main problem is his consistency and always would be for a 22 year old. Messi and Ronaldo, Robben or Ribery were not consistent at 22 either and back then showed flashes but faith from supporters and manager allowed them to mature and turn into the best players in world football. Yes at a club like Chelsea we have title aspirations but so do all the teams those players play for and still were given time. Get off the kids back and get behind him. This go equally for Hazard too young kid poor WC and some are doubting his commitment to be a top player . When these players find their consistency I'd rather they be Chelsea players than playing against us. It's a very bad idea to have only one source of creativity in the team, and it puts too much pressure on Eden--and makes everything harder for him. Defenders know whom to mark to neutralize the team's creativity. Oscar's got very good work rate and defending skills, but he must have different skill set to play at the #10 position. Most good teams have multiple playmakers, not one. To expect that Hazard will save us on the creative front every game is not only unfair, but also unrealistic. Granted, if Hazard has a great season and Fabregas plays a deep-lying playmaker, the lack of creativity from the player who actually occupies the #10 position might not be so noticeable. I don't want Oscar to leave. He's a good kid and very useful, but it's true that he must seriously improve to be considered a playmaker. Right now he plays like a midfielder that was forced up the pitch into a creative position where he doesn't belong. Mufassir08 and laura90 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bethos1 802 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Why doesn't he bulk up so we can play him as a CM, he looks so so squishy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strike 7,489 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 i agree with Styles, this is a huge psychological blow for him. I hope he's given enough time off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korea 734 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Why doesn't he bulk up so we can play him as a CM, he looks so so squishy.Well, some guys can't get big naturally or without "stuff."Ramires never got bulky/big, but players fear him because he has a reckless attitude at times...Also, getting"big" will probably lessen his stamina and his work rate. However, improve other areas./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bethos1 802 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Well, some guys can't get big naturally or without "stuff."Ramires never got bulky/big, but players fear him because he has a reckless attitude at times...Also, getting"big" will probably lessen his stamina and his work rate. However, improve other areas./He doesn't have to bulk up that much, just a little bit. They don't have to get scared of him but I think some more muscles might do him some good, he looks like a child at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korea 734 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 He doesn't have to bulk up that much, just a little bit. They don't have to get scared of him but I think some more muscles might do him some good, he looks like a child at the moment.i think for football players, the only option is in the summer for that.During the season, I can imagine them being tired/fatigue from training sessions alone. In the states, nba players usually workout during the offseason and not as much during the actual season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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