Las7 951 Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 You can't blame the board for Sturridge's departure. If anything the board probably deserve some praise. It's the managers that never rated him and gave him a chance. The board actually did an exceptional job getting 12M for a guy with only 6 months left on his contract because there was no way he was going to sign an extension if we hadn't sold him and he would have left for free! The same board that sacked the manager after he benched Poorres? The same board that allowed us to start a season with Poorres as first choice? The same board who bought in players to play the way Poorres needs in order to be effective? The same board that brough in the FSW Poorres favorite manager? The same board that send Lukaku on loan and didn't recall him in the winter? The same board that in the past year have pushed Drogba; Anelka and Sturridge out the door to make room for Poorres? Yep lets blame RdM for not starting Sturridge it's fairly obvious it's all his fault Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stats 7,142 Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 You can't blame the board for Sturridge's departure. If anything the board probably deserve some praise. It's the managers that never rated him and gave him a chance. The board actually did an exceptional job getting 12M for a guy with only 6 months left on his contract because there was no way he was going to sign an extension if we hadn't sold him and he would have left for free!I blame the management for not giving him a proper chance. Especially when English talent like that come along, to lose them is quite depressing. Reddish-Blue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo 28 Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Eh, you guys are thinking too.much.....Danny never fit Chelsea system as a lone cf. Not does Torres or falcao....He was always going to do better with Liverpool... However, he still is a bit selfish there and wasteful, but he will be better off for England playing under Liverpool... different level 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
different level 1,056 Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Someone made a very valid point that Sturridge in Liverpool and Sturridge in Chelsea are two extremely different cases. Crucify me if you want but IMO Fernando Torres in Chelsea is/was a better option than the latter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laura90 556 Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 So RDM didn't give him the chance.Managerial support isn't something God given that player earns automatically without effort. It is something players have to deserve by working hard when given oportunity, for the team, with giving their best in every possible occasion. He doesn't need to be best passer around, but he has to pass when that is the best option. He has to shoot when it is the best option, and assist when someone else is in better position. Hard work and devotion, that is something managers need to put their trust in someone.Sturridge showed it in Bolton - he had managerial backing and support.Sturridge showed it iunder AVB and got managerial support.Sturridge is showing it under Rodgers hence he has his full support.But he wasn't showing it under RDM, he was 40% or less team player he was under AVB, or Coyle or Rodgers. He just stopped and started playing only towards the goal, shooting whenever he could, didn't see his teammates in front of the goal, missed oportunities to pass God knows how many times, most of the time, and was among majority of the fans the most frustrating player. What if he was sub. He came as sub against us and what did he do. He is capable to leave impression in 20 minutes, even less.Then they said, he is the striker, it's not his job to pass. Or he is playing in wrong position. Now they say RDM didn't give him support he needed. The truth nobody here is willing to admit, Sturridge had only Torres to compete with this season. Had he put 60% of effort he is putting in Liverpool like some claim, on rare given chances,( maybe he would get more chances?) he would have won his striker position in couple of months without problems at least by January, and gained RDM's trust.. Even from the wing because he had skill to play there, he played there for Liverpool when Suarez played up front.But he didn't. He played with 40% or less of what he was capable of under RDM. It was so evident on the pitch. You may claim he didn't have his favourite position, or he did't have RDM's support, but both of those things could have been won with hard work and effort. Especially for player with his skills and talent. He would have been our main striker by JAnuary had he played more responsable and for the team. But he wasn't willing to.There have been talks about Sturridge to Liverpool during summer, I guess he was unhappy because Drogba played as main striker in front of him. And what managerial support our players enjoyed this season? From the interim manager they knew exact date of leaving, booed by fans majority of time. They still don't know who will manage them in month. BTW Oscar is not playing on his position and didn't enjoy much of Benitez support. What was he supposed to do, shoot without purpose and miss passes and it would all be justified because manager didn't back him?Or was he supposed to work hard, improve himself, play like a proper team player and earn managers trust and support, this one and the next, even if he still doesn't have his position . LDN Blue and DDA 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Las7 951 Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 But he wasn't showing it under RDM, he was 40% or less team player he was under AVB, or Coyle or Rodgers. He just stopped and started playing only towards the goal, shooting whenever he could, didn't see his teammates in front of the goal, missed oportunities to pass God knows how many times, most of the time, and was among majority of the fans the most frustrating player. What if he was sub. He came as sub against us and what did he do. He is capable to leave impression in 20 minutes, even less.Then they said, he is the striker, it's not his job to pass. Or he is playing in wrong position. Now they say RDM didn't give him support he needed. The truth nobody here is willing to admit, Sturridge had only Torres to compete with this season. Had he put 60% of effort he is putting in Liverpool like some claim, on rare given chances,( maybe he would get more chances?) he would have won his striker position in couple of months without problems at least by January, and gained RDM's trust.. Even from the wing because he had skill to play there, he played there for Liverpool when Suarez played up front.But he didn't. He played with 40% or less of what he was capable of under RDM. It was so evident on the pitch. You may claim he didn't have his favourite position, or he did't have RDM's support, but both of those things could have been won with hard work and effort. Especially for player with his skills and talent. He would have been our main striker by JAnuary had he played more responsable and for the team. But he wasn't willing to.There have been talks about Sturridge to Liverpool during summer, I guess he was unhappy because Drogba played as main striker in front of him. And what managerial support our players enjoyed this season? From the interim manager they knew exact date of leaving, booed by fans majority of time. They still don't know who will manage them in month. BTW Oscar is not playing on his position and didn't enjoy much of Benitez support. What was he supposed to do, shoot without purpose and miss passes and it would all be justified because manager didn't back him?Or was he supposed to work hard, improve himself, play like a proper team player and earn managers trust and support, this one and the next, even if he still doesn't have his position . So since the start of the season he had played a total of 295 minutes - one third of that amount was in one match against United where he played 120 minutes(where he also scored a goal). No matter what type of dross you type up in the remaining 160 minutes mostly came as cameo's in which you could not expect even Messi to make miracles happen. You don't believe me here is the proof: EPL 22-08-2012 Chelsea 4 : 2 Reading 22 6.75IUSC 31-08-2012 Chelsea 1 : 4 Atletico Madrid 9EPL 15-09-2012 Queens Park Rangers 0 : 0 Chelsea 9 6.28EPL 20-10-2012 Tottenham 2 : 4 Chelsea 7 6.84ICL 23-10-2012 Shakhtar Donetsk 2 : 1 Chelsea 20 6.28EPL 28-10-2012 Chelsea 2 : 3 Manchester United 8 6ECC 31-10-2012 Chelsea *5 : 4 Manchester United 90'EPL 03-11-2012 Swansea 1 : 1 Chelsea 17 5.9ICL 07-11-2012 Chelsea 3 : 2 Shakhtar Donetsk 0 6.03EPL 11-11-2012 Chelsea 1 : 1 Liverpool 8 5.92EPL 17-11-2012 West Bromwich Albion 2 : 1 Chelsea 90 7In bold are the minutes he played at "40%"Oscar unlike Sturridge actually is played regularly - you might instead comment on Moses who is treated in a similar way to Sturridge. But even he has many more matches despite competing with far better players like Hazard/Mata/Oscar for a start. Even if Sturridge played at 40% - which I doubt anyone here would agree with - it would still make him 40% better than 0% Floppes. You're whole comment is laughable Reddish-Blue, The Skipper and didierforever 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDN Blue 7,903 Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 So RDM didn't give him the chance.Managerial support isn't something God given that player earns automatically without effort. It is something players have to deserve by working hard when given oportunity, for the team, with giving their best in every possible occasion. He doesn't need to be best passer around, but he has to pass when that is the best option. He has to shoot when it is the best option, and assist when someone else is in better position. Hard work and devotion, that is something managers need to put their trust in someone.Sturridge showed it in Bolton - he had managerial backing and support.Sturridge showed it iunder AVB and got managerial support.Sturridge is showing it under Rodgers hence he has his full support.But he wasn't showing it under RDM, he was 40% or less team player he was under AVB, or Coyle or Rodgers. He just stopped and started playing only towards the goal, shooting whenever he could, didn't see his teammates in front of the goal, missed oportunities to pass God knows how many times, most of the time, and was among majority of the fans the most frustrating player. What if he was sub. He came as sub against us and what did he do. He is capable to leave impression in 20 minutes, even less.Then they said, he is the striker, it's not his job to pass. Or he is playing in wrong position. Now they say RDM didn't give him support he needed. The truth nobody here is willing to admit, Sturridge had only Torres to compete with this season. Had he put 60% of effort he is putting in Liverpool like some claim, on rare given chances,( maybe he would get more chances?) he would have won his striker position in couple of months without problems at least by January, and gained RDM's trust.. Even from the wing because he had skill to play there, he played there for Liverpool when Suarez played up front.But he didn't. He played with 40% or less of what he was capable of under RDM. It was so evident on the pitch. You may claim he didn't have his favourite position, or he did't have RDM's support, but both of those things could have been won with hard work and effort. Especially for player with his skills and talent. He would have been our main striker by JAnuary had he played more responsable and for the team. But he wasn't willing to.There have been talks about Sturridge to Liverpool during summer, I guess he was unhappy because Drogba played as main striker in front of him. And what managerial support our players enjoyed this season? From the interim manager they knew exact date of leaving, booed by fans majority of time. They still don't know who will manage them in month. BTW Oscar is not playing on his position and didn't enjoy much of Benitez support. What was he supposed to do, shoot without purpose and miss passes and it would all be justified because manager didn't back him?Or was he supposed to work hard, improve himself, play like a proper team player and earn managers trust and support, this one and the next, even if he still doesn't have his position . Fabulous post, absolutely brilliant. I disagree on whether RdM would've trusted Sturridge though - not because RdM didn't, but more like he couldn't Bosnian Blue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Las7 951 Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Someone made a very valid point that Sturridge in Liverpool and Sturridge in Chelsea are two extremely different cases. Crucify me if you want but IMO Fernando Torres in Chelsea is/was a better option than the latter. Yep the difference is one is played while the other watches Floppes from the bench - coming from one of the biggest Poorres apologists on the forum your comment doesn't surprise me one bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laylabelle 9,535 Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Fabulous post, absolutely brilliant. I disagree on whether RdM would've trusted Sturridge though - not because RdM didn't, but more like he couldn'tThats the issue that has been there..want to play players but feel cant etcEnd of the day he's gone..he could've easily stayed with us...been crap and then we'd wondered why we hadnt let him go when we had the chance.Just annoying he's doing so well there and we're stuck with Torres not doing so much...see what happens in the window Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! DDA 9,938 Posted May 13, 2013 Popular Post! Share Posted May 13, 2013 We all knew Sturridge was the better choice of striker than Torres but what we fail to remember was that the decision wasn't always in the managers hands. I believe it wasn't just media fantasy when the rumours of Romans demands for Torres to start because of the money spent on him. I think Danny knew that all the time Torres was here, he wouldn't get the chance to truly become the number one striker in our system of play. Reddish-Blue, Stats, LDN Blue and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
different level 1,056 Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Yep the difference is one is played while the other watches Floppes from the bench - coming from one of the biggest Poorres apologists on the forum your comment doesn't surprise me one bit. He watched Torres from the bench and when he was actually given some time on the pitch he was selfish, wasteful and ineffectual just like the better part of last season - grow up, Sturridge lover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 But next year is different! They have Sturridge, the next best striker in the League, t better than we will have anyway! And Coutinho, and Suarez... Definitly favourites Liverpool favs for the league next season? They will at the very best sneak a top 4 finish. DDA 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 An "alright player" doesn't score 10 league goals in just 13 games. An average player scored 14 goals in 13 games last season after joining Newcastle. No im not saying Danny is average, just making a point.If he carries on this form next season then yes we can say we fucked up but i will save judgement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mediator 2,026 Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Sturridge hails mentor Drogba as Liverpool striker begins to fulfil vast potentialRead more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2324168/Liverpools-Daniel-Sturridge-hails-mentor-Didier-Drogba-striker-begins-fulfil-vast-potential.html#ixzz2TFjTApJb Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laura90 556 Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 So since the start of the season he had played a total of 295 minutes - one third of that amount was in one match against United where he played 120 minutes(where he also scored a goal). No matter what type of dross you type up in the remaining 160 minutes mostly came as cameo's in which you could not expect even Messi to make miracles happen. You don't believe me here is the proof: EPL 22-08-2012 Chelsea 4 : 2 Reading 22 6.75IUSC 31-08-2012 Chelsea 1 : 4 Atletico Madrid 9EPL 15-09-2012 Queens Park Rangers 0 : 0 Chelsea 9 6.28EPL 20-10-2012 Tottenham 2 : 4 Chelsea 7 6.84ICL 23-10-2012 Shakhtar Donetsk 2 : 1 Chelsea 20 6.28EPL 28-10-2012 Chelsea 2 : 3 Manchester United 8 6ECC 31-10-2012 Chelsea *5 : 4 Manchester United 90'EPL 03-11-2012 Swansea 1 : 1 Chelsea 17 5.9ICL 07-11-2012 Chelsea 3 : 2 Shakhtar Donetsk 0 6.03EPL 11-11-2012 Chelsea 1 : 1 Liverpool 8 5.92EPL 17-11-2012 West Bromwich Albion 2 : 1 Chelsea 90 7In bold are the minutes he played at "40%"Oscar unlike Sturridge actually is played regularly - you might instead comment on Moses who is treated in a similar way to Sturridge. But even he has many more matches despite competing with far better players like Hazard/Mata/Oscar for a start. Even if Sturridge played at 40% - which I doubt anyone here would agree with - it would still make him 40% better than 0% Floppes. You're whole comment is laughableYou are constantly saying that Sturridge lacked managerial support and minutes on the pitch. I agree. But have you ever wondered why was that?Go back in 2011, AVB's time. AVB played Sturridge on the wing, even though Sturridge was a striker. That didn't prevent Sturridge from being one of the best and most exciting players, my personal favourite. Sturridge enjoyed full AVB's backing and support, he was beside Mata the first name on the team sheets when healthy. Why AVB didn't play Sturridge on his favourite position, even though he backed him completely? Why he prefered Drogba above Sturridge on striker position, when Torres was benched? If you watched Chelsea team close like you watch Sturridge, you would know that it wasn't AVB's wish to play Sturridge on the wing, it was the NEED. We didn't have, beside Mata, any player who would provide creative spark in the team on regular bases. We didn't have decent winger. We didn't have Hazard. AVB needed him more on the wing than up front. So did RDM. Our team was imbalanced and incomplete. Yet, we had somebody to score in Drogba, Mata, Ramires. But we had nobody to create from the wing, with speed, acceleration, who would took on defenders, pass them with ease and provide passes in the box or final pass to Mata, Ramires, Drogba, make something out of nothing. Only Sturridge. That was reality, and that was his role to play. For this team. But somewhere along the way he stopped, got tired of that position and started to play as a striker. He wasn't winger anymore, he was a striker playing from the wing. So we lost all the benefits he used to provide for us from that position, that Hazard is (only better) providing now. RDM benched him and continued to play Drogba as striker. Mata remained only creative spark most of the time, good oposition knew how to block him, and without Sturridge on the wing our football became lame and painfull to watch in the League. Sturridge had the "misfortune" of being the most talented and skillful player and the best match for the position this team ( our coaches) needed him to play during his first year here as a starter. He had that position on the wing wrapped and it was his to lose. He was head and shouldres above competition. If he continued to play the same way he played under AVB during all season, he would have been a starter and you wouldn't have to count his minutes.You see how uncertain we feel without Hazard tonight ? We felt similarly without Sturridge on the wing last season, but you wont admit that. Of course, Sturridge could create from striker's position, but our team would remain pretty imbalanced. With our slow, and I mean slow build up play, he would constantly be miles in front the rest of the team and would operate almost alone. Our build up was slow. (unlike Liverpool's).About this season, it was clear that Torres will have advantage. But he didn't sign lifelong contract of being our main striker. We had Hazard, we didn't need Sturridge exclusive on the wing anymore. He had space to fight for striker position. At the end, Sturridge's decision and right to get what he wanted (striker position) , to get it fast, without additional adjustment to team needs and sacrificing was almost equally responsible as lack of this club's and managerial support ( for playing him on the wing) he experienced. He created his on fate here. Moses is a squad player at best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddish-Blue 2,505 Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 Our team was imbalanced and incomplete. Yet, we had somebody to score in Drogba, Mata, Ramires. But we had nobody to create from the wing, with speed, acceleration, who would took on defenders, pass them with ease and provide passes in the box or final pass to Mata, Ramires, Drogba, make something out of nothing. Only Sturridge. That was reality, and that was his role to play. For this team. But somewhere along the way he stopped, got tired of that position and started to play as a striker. He wasn't winger anymore, he was a striker playing from the wing. So we lost all the benefits he used to provide for us from that position, that Hazard is (only better) providing now. RDM benched him and continued to play Drogba as striker. Mata remained only creative spark most of the time, good oposition knew how to block him, and without Sturridge on the wing our football became lame and painfull to watch in the League.Moses is a squad player at best. He didn't get tired of the position...he just realised that shouldn't have to play as a RW...when someone as useless as Torres was getting so many chances as the main striker.Also, under RDM his 'role' seemed to change....it was like he was asked to take on defensive duties. And when you tell an unhappy player who isn't playing regularly to be defensive, play for the team....he becomes frustrated & ineffective.Now at Liverpool, Rodgers put faith into him from day one, gave him a bit of freedom...he's happy, he's effective & he's playing for the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vybz Kartel 1,613 Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 The guy is starting to enjoy his football again wont be surprised if he scores 20 goals this season. Rambo and xPetrCechx 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 The guy is starting to enjoy his football again wont be surprised if he scores 20 goals this season.If he stays injury free I'm very sure he will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didierforever 7,349 Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 lukaku, sturridge as our strikers compared to lukaku, ba and torres would have given us so much more confidence. The Skipper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! The Skipper 20,609 Posted August 17, 2013 Popular Post! Share Posted August 17, 2013 lukaku, sturridge as our strikers compared to lukaku, ba and torres would have given us so much more confidence. *hypothetically* Lukaku, Sturridge & Rooney strikeforce would be insane especially given the fact that they can actually all play with each other when we really need goals late in the game (Sturridge on the right as an inside forward, Lukaku up top, and Rooney as a second striker?). Mourinho would've loved that. Unfortunately we aren't in that situation because of a certain ladyboy though. Peace., Vybz Kartel, Jase and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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