Rumoured Luke Shaw

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Honestly, I'm kind of over the price. I was astounded by it at first too but like many people are saying all over twitter, if he realizes his potential then the price will look like nothing if he's top class for 10-15 years.

I'd much rather he realizes that potential here than at fucking United. I feel like he'll be one we're going to regret not forking over the cash for. Young, English, Chelsea supporter, his idol leaving. Literally on a plate for us and we're going to let him slip.

Big if though. I'd love to see him here and watch him develop over the next decade but it's a massively risky deal.

Would love for him to force the move here on lower wages, but football's a business at the end of the day. United are desperate and he's one of the few marquee signings that they can actually get. If Southampton have got any sense they'll drag it out and let Woodward fuck it up like he did with the Fellaini deal.

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Big if though. I'd love to see him here and watch him develop over the next decade but it's a massively risky deal.

Would love for him to force the move here on lower wages, but football's a business at the end of the day. United are desperate and he's one of the few marquee signings that they can actually get. If Southampton have got any sense they'll drag it out and let Woodward fuck it up like he did with the Fellaini deal.

Seeing the way José really improved so many of our players last season makes me certain that Shaw would grow leaps and bounds under his management as well as being surrounded by top class players. I don't think it's very risky at all. Even if he improves slightly on how good he is now he'd be an excellent purchase.

If we get any of the LB's we've been linked with I think it'll really unleash Eden even more. Having a gifted attacking LB up there with him drawing away defenders would be incredible.

If we showed some serious interest and made it known to him that we really wanted him here I think we can get the price down a bit because he'd push hard for move. Unfortunately we're too late.

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He's English. That's why it is overpriced. But we won't miss it though, as he is not in Courtois situation. In Courtois you can't find anyone with that age on the same level with him in GK. But if we miss on Shaw, there will still plenty of options out there, like filipe luis, alberto moreno. The only disadvantage is that they're not English.

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He's English. That's why it is overpriced. But we won't miss it though, as he is not in Courtois situation. In Courtois you can't find anyone with that age on the same level with him in GK. But if we miss on Shaw, there will still plenty of options out there, like filipe luis, alberto moreno. The only disadvantage is that they're not English.

Felipe Luis is already almost 30 and I'm still not convinced Moreno would fit our side. He's one of those tiny Barca type midgets. Not sure he'd take to the Premier League well.

It's Shaw or Rodriguez for me. Either would be awesome signings. Think RR is actually the better player right now, but Shaw is younger (slightly) and English so I'd prefer him.

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He's English. That's why it is overpriced. But we won't miss it though, as he is not in Courtois situation. In Courtois you can't find anyone with that age on the same level with him in GK. But if we miss on Shaw, there will still plenty of options out there, like filipe luis, alberto moreno. The only disadvantage is that they're not English.

we are talking about a back up LB ,, PVA is a Dutch International and HOMEGROWN ...

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Felipe Luis is already almost 30 and I'm still not convinced Moreno would fit our side. He's one of those tiny Barca type midgets. Not sure he'd take to the Premier League well.

It's Shaw or Rodriguez for me. Either would be awesome signings. Think RR is actually the better player right now, but Shaw is younger (slightly) and English so I'd prefer him.

RICARDOOOOOO RODRIGUEZZZZ!!!!!!

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Honestly, I'm kind of over the price. I was astounded by it at first too but like many people are saying all over twitter, if he realizes his potential then the price will look like nothing if he's top class for 10-15 years.

I'd much rather he realizes that potential here than at fucking United. I feel like he'll be one we're going to regret not forking over the cash for. Young, English, Chelsea supporter, his idol leaving. Literally on a plate for us and we're going to let him slip.

By the same token I'd much rather him fail at Utd for 30m than fail at Chelsea. He's good English talent nothing more than that, nothing he does stand outs as burgeoning world class.

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Seeing the way José really improved so many of our players last season makes me certain that Shaw would grow leaps and bounds under his management as well as being surrounded by top class players. I don't think it's very risky at all. Even if he improves slightly on how good he is now he'd be an excellent purchase.

If we get any of the LB's we've been linked with I think it'll really unleash Eden even more. Having a gifted attacking LB up there with him drawing away defenders would be incredible.

If we showed some serious interest and made it known to him that we really wanted him here I think we can get the price down a bit because he'd push hard for move. Unfortunately we're too late.

By the same token we have Patrick Van Aanholt who would also improve under Jose's tutelage, he deserves a chance to show what he can do too. I wouldn't pay over the odds for Shaw when we have Patrick and can bid for Rodriguez. Van Aanholt is homegrown too.

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By the same token we have Patrick Van Aanholt who would also improve under Jose's tutelage, he deserves a chance to show what he can do too. I wouldn't pay over the odds for Shaw when we have Patrick and can bid for Rodriguez. Van Aanholt is homegrown too.

Van Aanholt is 5 years older than Shaw and has had plenty of chances to impress. Has he ever shown anything special? It's the same argument about Bertrand to be honest.

Rodriguez doesn't strike me as being any further along than Shaw to be honest, despite being 3 years older. That depends a lot on the price, although he racks up stats nicely.

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Van Aanholt is 5 years older than Shaw and has had plenty of chances to impress. Has he ever shown anything special? It's the same argument about Bertrand to be honest.

Rodriguez doesn't strike me as being any further along than Shaw to be honest, despite being 3 years older. That depends a lot on the price, although he racks up stats nicely.

I know, he's now in his prime years and going forward looks the business. Not sure if you watched any Vitesse games last year but Patrick has developed into one hell of an attacking LB.

And we've been around this mulberry bush before, to me Rodriguez is MILES ahead of Luke Shaw. Better defender, better crosser, scores a fair bit and dangerous from set pieces. Any day of the week I'd take Ricardo over Shaw except the day where it is imperative we get homegrown talent.

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I know, he's now in his prime years and going forward looks the business. Not sure if you watched any Vitesse games last year but Patrick has developed into one hell of an attacking LB.

And we've been around this mulberry bush before, to me Rodriguez is MILES ahead of Luke Shaw. Better defender, better crosser, scores a fair bit and dangerous from set pieces. Any day of the week I'd take Ricardo over Shaw except the day where it is imperative we get homegrown talent.

Van Aanholt has looked ok in a weaker league, yet he can also be dodgy defensively. Nice player but even when we're playing against teams who sit deep we need players who can defend. That's the reality of the Premier League.

Rodriguez isn't miles ahead. He's got better stats going forward but let's not pretend that he isn't as big a risk as Shaw is, especially as he's not immune from the odd lapse in concentration himself. Defensively there are big questions about how he'd handle this league in my opinion and he's hardly going to be cheap. He's still a young player who needs developing and testing in a stronger league.

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Van Aanholt is 5 years older than Shaw and has had plenty of chances to impress. Has he ever shown anything special? It's the same argument about Bertrand to be honest.

Rodriguez doesn't strike me as being any further along than Shaw to be honest, despite being 3 years older. That depends a lot on the price, although he racks up stats nicely.

Literally exactly what I was going to say.

Bertrand didn't look out of place at Villa. That's about his level, to be honest. Never good enough to be the main, everyday LB at a top European club like ourselves. He's even more useless going forward than Ivanovic.

Van Aanholt will never get near our first team. Not good enough.

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Van Aanholt has looked ok in a weaker league, yet he can also be dodgy defensively. Nice player but even when we're playing against teams who sit deep we need players who can defend. That's the reality of the Premier League.

Rodriguez isn't miles ahead. He's got better stats going forward but let's not pretend that he isn't as big a risk as Shaw is, especially as he's not immune from the odd lapse in concentration himself. Defensively there are big questions about how he'd handle this league in my opinion and he's hardly going to be cheap. He's still a young player who needs developing and testing in a stronger league.

Well only time will tell I don't want to go back and forth about something that is impossible to prove. I feel Patrick deserves a chance he's matured into a decent attacking LB and with the help of Jose and staff could very well become a fantastic LB. The Bertrand comparisons are moot, he had Ashley Cole to fight with and was never given a chance to grow.

Again we've been down this road before and it just ends in agree to disagree, I DO feel Ricardo is MILES ahead of Luke Shaw, I don't even know one thing Luke Shaw does better than him. I also don't know one thing Luke Shaw does at an elite level. He is good English talent that can be hard to gauge on, he may be the heir apparent to Baines or he may be another Bertrand... Bottom line is if I'm putting down the sort of money that's being bandied about for Luke Shaw, I'd DEF be looking at Ricardo Rodriguez first. Nothing against Shaw, he seems decent just not what I envision as soon to be world class.

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van Aanholt and Bertrand will both be gone IMO.

edit: and the talk of us having to sell before buying is only coming from the media mainly. Of course we are going to make out we aren't full of cash this year as it goes against you in negotiations. But we all know Roman will give Jose a fair bit of clout to get us challenging from day 1

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Well only time will tell I don't want to go back and forth about something that is impossible to prove. I feel Patrick deserves a chance he's matured into a decent attacking LB and with the help of Jose and staff could very well become a fantastic LB. The Bertrand comparisons are moot, he had Ashley Cole to fight with and was never given a chance to grow.

227 games. That's how many matches Bertrand's featured in and he's never really done anything exceptional. Even at Villa he's looked meh.

Van Aanholt looks good going forward against weaker teams who leave spaces because they lack a lot of tactical rigidity. He could surprise everyone and be a good option for us but personally I think he'd get bullied way too easily and found out defensively.

Again we've been down this road before and it just ends in agree to disagree, I DO feel Ricardo is MILES ahead of Luke Shaw, I don't even know one thing Luke Shaw does better than him. I also don't know one thing Luke Shaw does at an elite level. He is good English talent that can be hard to gauge on, he may be the heir apparent to Baines or he may be another Bertrand... Bottom line is if I'm putting down the sort of money that's being bandied about for Luke Shaw, I'd DEF be looking at Ricardo Rodriguez first. Nothing against Shaw, he seems decent just not what I envision as soon to be world class.

The simple fact is that no-one really gave a stuff about Rodriguez at 18. It's an incredible achievement in itself that Shaw is where he is, two months shy of his 19th birthday. He's composed, technically very good for his age but he also has a maturity on the pitch which is mightily impressive. That to me is what is most impressive about watching him week-in and week-out.

Rodriguez is a great attacking full-back but for the amount of money being bandied about for him, there are serious concerns over his ability to stay focused for 90 minutes.

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Van Aanholt has looked ok in a weaker league, yet he can also be dodgy defensively. Nice player but even when we're playing against teams who sit deep we need players who can defend. That's the reality of the Premier League.

Rodriguez isn't miles ahead. He's got better stats going forward but let's not pretend that he isn't as big a risk as Shaw is, especially as he's not immune from the odd lapse in concentration himself. Defensively there are big questions about how he'd handle this league in my opinion and he's hardly going to be cheap. He's still a young player who needs developing and testing in a stronger league.

Rodriguez is miles ahead. Have you seen him? Dude is really good, and would compliment Hazard better. He starts in the bundesliga which is a top team, he's proven. We should get him, he'd be significantly cheaper than Shaw. No debate.

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Rodriguez is miles ahead. Have you seen him? Dude is really good, and would compliment Hazard better. He starts in the bundesliga which is a top team, he's proven. We should get him, he'd be significantly cheaper than Shaw. No debate.

When people think of Rodriguez, I'm sure they're just imagining him making overlapping runs for Hazard. That's all well and good but the defining image of Ashley Cole for me is him stifling Ronaldo at Old Trafford. What I like about Shaw is that he seems more than capable of doing both.

Although if he does join United I retain the right to renounce all comments about him, referring to him only as a gloryhunting cunt and will immediately be moving the hype train to the tracks marked 'JAY DASILVA COUNTRY'.

On that note, Jay Dasilva is only two and a bit years younger than Shaw. Sign Luis, blood Dasilva and then let him take Shaw's spot in the England squad.

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Didn't the manager of Twente recently say Van aanholt has to improve defensively? seriously if he is struggling to defend in the dutch league than he has no hope here...