🇧🇪 Eden Hazard

[Despiadado.Maleante 1,046]

He is back to his 2013/14 form. World class some weeks and decent in others. It's most annoying because he is capable of keeping consistent like in 14/15 were he barely had a poor game all year.

[Blue Armour 4,439]

15 hours ago, Styles said:

Hard for any attacker to play well when your team plays shit on a stick football, can't build play and you have a striker with the first touch of a brick wall. I could see how frustrated he was last night and you can't blame him.

Yeah, our play was pretty poor in the early half. Oddly the play, as well as Costa himself, seemed to improve after the substitutions, but I guess that was more down to Pedro running at Liverpools tired defence, and Fabregas adding an extra man in midfield.

[Blue Armour 4,439]

9 hours ago, kellzfresh said:

He had only one dribble completed against liverpool. As I said before, any match he's playing average, it means he wasn't on his dribbling best. 

I think we're too harsh on him. We're expecting him to play well even when the rest of the team isn’t. 

Hazard isn't the type of player to do it by himself, he isn’t messi, Ronaldo or Suarez. Or he also isn't like bale who can have a poor game and and score a goal to win the game. He needs the whole midfield and attack performing to help him play well. He doesn't have high energy like Sanchez to try and make things happen every single time he touches the ball, and he's not strong enough to shrug off tackles and still dribble through. This is making it difficult for him.

Hopefully we get a midfielder who can create, can spot runs and still defend so that Hazard can have someone better than Matic behind him.

I agree with most of your post, but not entirely with the part in bold. I think there are plenty of games where he alone was the difference, maybe not this season, but in seasons past. Just think of the games where he was the only one on the scoresheet and we failed to get a win.

In recent games, I sense that he's just not straying out of his comfort zone too much, especially with the rest of the team playing well for the most part. Yesterday, I think he tried to make a difference, but no one else was doing a good job combining with him. Costa was atypically sluggish until Pedro and Fabregas came on.

[Polo7 3,496]

Smiled when Diego  Missed the penalty. What a cuntish thing to do!

[kellzfresh 7,229]

9 hours ago, Blue Armour said:

I agree with most of your post, but not entirely with the part in bold. I think there are plenty of games where he alone was the difference, maybe not this season, but in seasons past. Just think of the games where he was the only one on the scoresheet and we failed to get a win.

In recent games, I sense that he's just not straying out of his comfort zone too much, especially with the rest of the team playing well for the most part. Yesterday, I think he tried to make a difference, but no one else was doing a good job combining with him. Costa was atypically sluggish until Pedro and Fabregas came on.

He is sometimes, but its only in the season he won player of the year where he was so consistent throughout the whole season and showed the desire to carry the team on his back to the title. Maybe that burnt him out because Since then, he's been world-class in one month, okay in the next month.

And I think the main reason is before, when the premier League opponents kick him, he still dribbled(at least 6 dribbles per match) and made things happen no matter what. But since his injury last season, he doesn't ride challenges anymore and can easily be stopped in his tracks with a foul. I don't blame him for trying to protect himself but he can never be as creative as KDB or fabregas except through his dribbling which he isn’t motivated to do as consistently as his prime. 

He isn’t helped by the terrible passing percentage the whole team had against liverpool but since he's not as strong on the ball consistently like before, even when he gets it I'm not sure if he can dribble past two players marking him like he used to do in every match in past seasons. 

[LukakutoStamford 779]

The problem is that Hazard is either having to come back the to midline to help crack pressure and he's getting 3-4 player surrounding him. The midfield passing against Liverpool was appalling save for Cesc's cameo. Matic Kante is far too limited as a pair. Chelsea needs someone like Cesc/Mousa Demeble who can can create space with passing or dribbing to draw men towards them and away from Hazard.

I always find it odd that Hazard gets so much stick for having off games when he gets so little help. 

Messi Ronaldo have so much talent around them that if focus on them the rest of the team can win easily.

Choke off Hazard and the offensive play looks stagnant at best unless Cesc is in there.

I wish Conte would look at either a 3-5-2 or 3-4-1-2 with Hazard as a shadow striker or CaM to Costa and Batshuayi

[LondonsFinest 692]

I will once again be the person to defend Hazard. Are we really undermining Willian? Matic? Alonso? Kante isn't a fantastic ball player, but he is alright. Now, what I am saying is not that Hazard is fucking unreal, don't get me wrong. He isn't playing to his best self, but he tried so much to actually do something. He can't do it by himself, lads. He did it once in Jose's season, but he had Cesc next to him, Diego and Remy were good link - up play. 

 

The triangles Conte's basing his game on involves technicality and fantastic link - up play to get into good positions. Matic - Alonso - Hazard is one of these. Moving from Alonso - Hazard - Diego. Out of these, excluding Eden, only Diego can actually have proper movement, good link up play and intelligence, and even he isn't amazing. Saying it again, it's not me saying Hazard is unreal, just that the criticism, that he isn't showing the wankfesting PASHUN and doesn't track back like under Jose, is absolutely stupid. 

 

I'm not saying he shouldn't grab the game by the scruff of the neck, but f*ck me, with what support. In the positions which we got pressurised, Alonso and Matic were constantly making stupid passes, losing possession, bare movement. I realize the game plan was to sit back and absorb the pressure, but when the possession comes to us, we have to be ruthless. One-two-three passes and for us to be in something close to actually creating a chance. Do we have that? Do we really have that? No. Willian useless, Matic - meh, Alonso - useless. It's basically expecting Messi to actually be scoring hattricks with Cattermole and Papy Souare. Hopefully, this season, we manage to win the title and start a good transition, alongisde Diego, Eden and Kante. But we need quality, able to actually play in different situations. The only people knowing what to do when we have this possession when we are limited to it are Diego and Eden. Not even Kante. But problem is, with the lack of quality, you can't expect them to dribble, be a constant threat, doing it alone, watching offside traps, taking three or four people alone. It can't happen. 

It's stupid, but if you take a closer look, Hazard was in good positions, and constantly opening their opposition, finding space. And then, if you take a look at games like Palace, yesterday, Leicester... no proper movement, if we find movement, there is no intelect, zero thinking. Willian can't play a proper through ball, Moses had two chances to pop the ball just outside of the area, he goes for a low cross to someone and it's cleared by Matip/Lovren. He didn't lay it off to Hazard, goes for a weaker foot shot. WHY? Palace, no through balls in three positions, Hazard gets the blame for not putting a shift, WHY?
 

As I've said, he isn't in fantastic form, YES, but how can he be the Messi-esque player you want? These high expectations and resistance to the actual overrating of our players is why you are constantly disappointed.Look at the deatils, watch it a bit more and you'll see. You are making him out look bang average, when in reality, it's not him being ban average... Pretty sure there are people who want him to be benched for Willian...

[Jase 43,479]

http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/eden-hazard-and-david-luiz-playing-through-pain-as-minor-injuries-threaten-chelseas-premier-league-a3456361.html

Oh dear.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

7 minutes ago, Jason said:

http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/eden-hazard-and-david-luiz-playing-through-pain-as-minor-injuries-threaten-chelseas-premier-league-a3456361.html

Oh dear.

I had a feeling. His avoiding of challenges and less dribbling was a direct result of carrying an injury last season and if this report is true, it's happening again since January. 

[Belgiannutt 3,201]

2 hours ago, Polo7 said:

Smiled when Diego  Missed the penalty. What a cuntish thing to do!

It's bullshit. 

Watch this highlight vid. http://www.fullmatchesandshows.com/2017/01/31/liverpool-vs-chelsea-highlights/2/

at 8:28 you'll see Conte's actual reaction to the missed penalty and Hazard isn't even on the bench as he's getting treatment inside. 

 

[LegenTerry 273]

7 minutes ago, Belgiannutt said:

It's bullshit. 

Watch this highlight vid. http://www.fullmatchesandshows.com/2017/01/31/liverpool-vs-chelsea-highlights/2/

at 8:28 you'll see Conte's actual reaction to the missed penalty and Hazard isn't even on the bench as he's getting treatment inside. 

 

 

 

I wonder how you even have a WILL to explain him those things. I wouldn't even try. It's useless

I don't know how ( I will not say stupid because of the rules) mindless you have to be to actually belive andd convince yourself that our player smiled because one of our player,and one of his best teammates,smiled after he missed penalty...People relly tend to belive every crap theay read these days.

[communicate 2,703]

5 hours ago, kellzfresh said:

He is sometimes, but its only in the season he won player of the year where he was so consistent throughout the whole season and showed the desire to carry the team on his back to the title. Maybe that burnt him out because Since then, he's been world-class in one month, okay in the next month.

And I think the main reason is before, when the premier League opponents kick him, he still dribbled(at least 6 dribbles per match) and made things happen no matter what. But since his injury last season, he doesn't ride challenges anymore and can easily be stopped in his tracks with a foul. I don't blame him for trying to protect himself but he can never be as creative as KDB or fabregas except through his dribbling which he isn’t motivated to do as consistently as his prime. 

He isn’t helped by the terrible passing percentage the whole team had against liverpool but since he's not as strong on the ball consistently like before, even when he gets it I'm not sure if he can dribble past two players marking him like he used to do in every match in past seasons. 

I mentioned this somewhere, there is no chance that Hazard will be a consistent player for us as long as we play in current setup and squad. In the season when we won the league, fabregas, hazard and Costa often play in the same side of the field, combining and creating dangers. He can't be the only creator if you want him to do be great.

Right now he  is the ONLY creator in the team, supported by decent run by alonso but 0 from midfield if next season we found a fabregas that can defend and replace matic with him, I am pretty sure you will see a better Hazard

[the wes 7,212]

Hazard in the Premier League this season

 

Games: 22

Wins: 17

Goals: 9

Goals with left foot: 2

Goals with right foot: 7

Assists: 3

 

[BlueLyon 9,359]

4 hours ago, communicate said:

I mentioned this somewhere, there is no chance that Hazard will be a consistent player for us as long as we play in current setup and squad. In the season when we won the league, fabregas, hazard and Costa often play in the same side of the field, combining and creating dangers. He can't be the only creator if you want him to do be great.

Right now he  is the ONLY creator in the team, supported by decent run by alonso but 0 from midfield if next season we found a fabregas that can defend and replace matic with him, I am pretty sure you will see a better Hazard

I agree we need another playmaker on this team. But I also think Eden will only fullfill his potential if he gets (wing)fullback in the mold of Alaba, Alba, Marcelo etc to play along. 

Alonso is good, very good actualy, but still far cry from Marcelo in attacking sense. 

To get best of Eden, we need 5:3:2 system, replace Matic with someone like Nainggolan, bring another playmaker and get two new wingbacks in mold of Marcelo/Alaba. And give Eden free role to roam around Diego in penalty box.

But in that case we would lose wingers (my main reason I dislike 5:3:2 system), so wingbacks would need to be absolutely brilliant in attack and defense. If wingbacks aint good in defense, we lose balance and stability, if they aint good forward, we lose width, speed, skill and goals that Pedro and Eden currently give.And good luck finding such wingbacks.

Or we can improve team as whole and bring someone like Nainggolan instead of Matic, better LWB and someone with similar quality/potential like Eden for RW.

In both cases Conte has a very difficult job to do in summer.

[mccg 1,528]

Time 4 a bench sandwich if he is carrying a small knock?,need 100% from the start from every player against arse

[communicate 2,703]

14 hours ago, BlueLyon said:

I agree we need another playmaker on this team. But I also think Eden will only fullfill his potential if he gets (wing)fullback in the mold of Alaba, Alba, Marcelo etc to play along. 

Alonso is good, very good actualy, but still far cry from Marcelo in attacking sense. 

To get best of Eden, we need 5:3:2 system, replace Matic with someone like Nainggolan, bring another playmaker and get two new wingbacks in mold of Marcelo/Alaba. And give Eden free role to roam around Diego in penalty box.

But in that case we would lose wingers (my main reason I dislike 5:3:2 system), so wingbacks would need to be absolutely brilliant in attack and defense. If wingbacks aint good in defense, we lose balance and stability, if they aint good forward, we lose width, speed, skill and goals that Pedro and Eden currently give.And good luck finding such wingbacks.

Or we can improve team as whole and bring someone like Nainggolan instead of Matic, better LWB and someone with similar quality/potential like Eden for RW.

In both cases Conte has a very difficult job to do in summer.

I have never watched Nainggolan play so I cannot really comment. I personally think one really good cm is the only thing that we need for next season if we still want to play 343.

I don't mind an upgrade for Alonso/moses but we have Ake and Christensen will be back for cb. 

 

[Fernando 6,585]

That was amazing! 

[kellzfresh 7,229]

Been dribbling like to madman all game and has scored a goal a player of his rare talent deserves. 

[coolhead23 1,147]

THAT WAS FUCKING M-A-G-I-C!!!! Good one, Eden. 

[the wes 7,212]

I hope hazard goal will shut up a few headers on this forum who criticise hazard the last few games take a bow son!!!