robsblubot 3,595 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 2 hours ago, Weckerz said: It's not like he runs to the press every chance he gets to talk about Madrid, it's mostly during international breaks where (oftten Belgian) journalist ask him the same questions. Should he avoid them? He probably should, but he's too friendly. Concerning his new deal: You don't know how his contract negotiations are going, so not sure why you say he's unwilling. He's at a crossroads in his career, he's at the right age to look for that last supertransfer, but then for the first time at Chelsea he has a coach that plays to his strengths while promising signings have been made. Surely you can see the difficult choice he has to make? Heh a lot other players handle those questions 100x better. Yes stay polite, but say you cannot comment on transfer talk. Let the agents talk. It really isn't his place to answer these question while he is well employed by Chelsea. Chelsea is being very nice here. About the contract, that's not how footballers think about their careers: they (and their agents) fully understand that their time to earn money (esp high wages) is limited, so they rarely refuse bumps the clubs offer. Contracts may even contain certain clauses such as minimum fee, a percentage of the fee, and so on. For me, the fact he has waited this long can only mean he does not want to sign. I have a hard time believing any other explanation -- it just does not make sense in my head. Like we've discussed here, the market may change and RM may not be so interested, but I think Eden has made abundantly clear - by actions as well as talk - what he wants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Armour 4,439 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Well if anyone is still frustrated by tthe constant talk, its claimed that Hazard has decided to halt any mention of Real Madrid at least until the summer. I don't know the source of this, but it was mentioned in passing in one of the recent Daily Mail articles on Hazard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,141 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Is it a well known virus that players sound off when on International duty? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manpe 10,861 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 4 hours ago, Mana said: You lost me already on the first step there... Why would we sell our top two best players?! I'd wait until the summer for Hazard's verdict but both in January? I'd never sell Kante, never ever. Yeah I was bamboozled when I read Vesper's post.  It would equal shooting ourselves in the foot and losing out on top 4. Luckily the people upstairs aren't as rash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,172 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 4 hours ago, Mana said: You lost me already on the first step there... Why would we sell our top two best players?! I'd wait until the summer for Hazard's verdict but both in January? I'd never sell Kante, never ever. You can either sell Hazard or lose him on a free. The longer we wait, the less he get. It isn't rocket science.  Kante is a different case. He is the best traditional DMF in the world, BUT our system doesnt use that role. So far he is doing nothing extraordinary in his new role. I give him until summer probably to show that he can excel in new role. If not, it is foolish to keep him when he can generate a huge amount in sale returns, returns used to buy vitally needed upgrades, upgrades tailor-made for Sarriball. The argument against selling Kante is that Sarri may well be sacked a year or 2 from now, in which case 99% of potential replacement managers would use Kante again as a trad DMF destroyer. I try to have faith in the Sarriball system for now, faith that it outlasts Kante IF he doesn't adapt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,172 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 1 minute ago, manpe said: Yeah I was bamboozled when I read Vesper's post.  It would equal shooting ourselves in the foot and losing out on top 4. Luckily the people upstairs aren't as rash. Well, surely this coming summer, especially for a non renewing Hazard. Obviously if we did sell them in January replacements would be needed to be lined up and done as well. Or we can just let Hazard wind down contract and leave on free and hope we win something in next year and a half. I have almost no faith in the board to so anything to sort this all out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolhead23 1,147 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 I feel Hazard will leave in the summer ... he's making the right noises and doing a balancing act so that no one turns against him. He must have taken a cue out of Courtois situation ... the way he acted and the response he received from the fans. I believe Hazard is smart enough to understand the situation, he will play for Real Madrid while achieving his dream and he could make a come back to the club when he is no longer in his prime. Chelsea gives any footballer the chance of competing at the highest level while staying in one of the best cities in the world. The current situation at Madrid is only helping Hazard and the club, because of which we wouldnt sell him below 200m. Dont get me wrong, I dont want Hazard to go but I feel it is going to be his one last shot at achieving his dream. Johnnyeye 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,172 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 12 minutes ago, Mana said: No offense, but selling Hazard in January is ridiculous no matter how hard you slice it. We are chasing top 4, Hazard is the top scorer in the league at the moment, why do you want to f*** it up by selling him? And even if you want to, there are no decent replacements ready in January so we will be staring at Europa League for another season, especially when we have none scorers of Morata and Giroud. There will be big games that Kante will be used as a traditional DMF. And yes, he's not doing anything extraordinary but I'd still rather keep him then going for players we may never get. ...if you have NO faith in the board to sort this out... ...why do you think the board will listen to your wishlist and get those replacements you wanted? The board will most likely cash in the profits they got with Kante and Hazard instead of getting solid replacements. The January sales are probably unrealistic, especially if Asensio or some other massive replacement is not lined up at same time (which is only way I would do it). The comment was born out of frustration and probably ill-advised. Do you really think the board would just bank the profits and not buy replacements? If so then we really are headed for a huge fall unless the team is sold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,172 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 26 minutes ago, Mana said: I'm not saying they would, but they are most likely and probably get one (maybe two if lucky) good players in. You just have to look at the near chaos last window. Chaos that may likely occur again this coming summer and quite possibly the next too, especially if both Kante and CHO also refuse to renew. Hopefully Real makes no serious offer (they supposedly offered around £105m for a January transfer, which is a joke) and Eden renews. The club ownership situ is also more than likely to degrade as well. I am really trying to just conentrate on this season and finishing top 4 and hopefully winning the EL too. Johnnyeye 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whats happening 1,615 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 is it too much to ask from this board to start looking for hazard replacemants right now? Johnnyeye 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,172 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 40 minutes ago, whats happening said: is it too much to ask from this board to start looking for hazard replacemants right now? One would think, but people would rather go full ostrich and run with normalcy bias. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manpe 10,861 Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 10 hours ago, whats happening said: is it too much to ask from this board to start looking for hazard replacemants right now? Not their M.O. They are oblivious to the obvious until it happens and it's too late, then they panic. First we sell him, then Marina goes on holiday for 3 weeks, then for 2 weeks they consider targets and filter out the ones that make the most sense, then they lowball unrealistic targets for a few weeks and piss off the clubs, then they pay over the odds for some turd who will ride the bench and the Emoji-Man will be our main man. Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sideshow Luiz 2,310 Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 So, if we sell him, since there's no direct replacement, do you spend on someone who is proven, or do you get someone with potential (like when we bought Eden)? As of right now, if he leaves, we are looking at Willian, Pedro, and CHO next season. Anyone brought in will be a roadblock to CHO (unless one of Pedro or Willian leaves, and yes, I know everyone says Willian out).  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
!Hazard! 3,394 Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 Cunt Martinez playing him 90 minutes in a friendly ffs e. Oops made a mistake apparently he was subbed out at half time. It's his brother on the pitch atm manpe and DDA 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,172 Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 14 hours ago, manpe said: Not their M.O. They are oblivious to the obvious until it happens and it's too late, then they panic. First we sell him, then Marina goes on holiday for 3 weeks, then for 2 weeks they consider targets and filter out the ones that make the most sense, then they lowball unrealistic targets for a few weeks and piss off the clubs, then they pay over the odds for some turd who will ride the bench and the Emoji-Man will be our main man. Perfect summation. manpe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,172 Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 7 hours ago, Sideshow Luiz said: So, if we sell him, since there's no direct replacement, do you spend on someone who is proven, or do you get someone with potential (like when we bought Eden)? As of right now, if he leaves, we are looking at Willian, Pedro, and CHO next season. Anyone brought in will be a roadblock to CHO (unless one of Pedro or Willian leaves, and yes, I know everyone says Willian out).  ATM we dont even know if CHO will renew. If Eden leaves in the summer will Sarri go from almost zero field time to starting him regularly? Seems a big ask, which is why he needs to play more now. My 2 winger targets are the same. Chiesa and Bailey, and both cam pkay either wing, although both should play inverted, Chiesa at LW and Baikey at right. Any talk of Willian staying on post Hazard and being our main winger is the stuff of pure capitulation by the club and a sure sign we are giving up all hopes of elite status. Same for Morata and Giroud at striker. Abraham is shit from all I have seen in a couple years of EPL play for him, and Bats is obviously not rated by the club either. I am afraid the board will not take the loss on Morata that is surely coming if we sell him now. It seems to be their SOP. Sell the great ones for shit, replace with massively overpriced shit, THEN go penny-pinch and either stick them in the loan army (and evwn failing there, see Bakayoko, Musonda, etc) or trot them out every week for repetitive fails, or just let them rot away in the stands and watch £70m go up in smoke (Drinkwater). Horrid business, simply horrid, at both bottom fiscal line and footballing outcomes. blues.bridge 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sideshow Luiz 2,310 Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Vesper said: ATM we dont even know if CHO will renew. If Eden leaves in the summer will Sarri go from almost zero field time to starting him regularly? Seems a big ask, which is why he needs to play more now. My 2 winger targets are the same. Chiesa and Bailey, and both cam pkay either wing, although both should play inverted, Chiesa at LW and Baikey at right. Any talk of Willian staying on post Hazard and being our main winger is the stuff of pure capitulation by the club and a sure sign we are giving up all hopes of elite status. Same for Morata and Giroud at striker. Abraham is shit from all I have seen in a couple years of EPL play for him, and Bats is obviously not rated by the club either. I am afraid the board will not take the loss on Morata that is surely coming if we sell him now. It seems to be their SOP. Sell the great ones for shit, replace with massively overpriced shit, THEN go penny-pinch and either stick them in the loan army (and evwn failing there, see Bakayoko, Musonda, etc) or trot them out every week for repetitive fails, or just let them rot away in the stands and watch £70m go up in smoke (Drinkwater). Horrid business, simply horrid, at both bottom fiscal line and footballing outcomes. This CHO contract situation is almost as bad as the Hazard situation. At least, if Hazard doesn't renew, we'll get some decent money for him, we won't even get that with CHO.  CHO is not going to be starting regularly next season, and as much as I want to see him in the team, I'm not sure he's ready for that yet (I agree, CHO needs to play more now).  Edit: I re-read, my last post, I didn't mean to give the impression that I don't think anyone should be brought in. Just not a Sancho type of player. They have to be 1st team ready. CHO needs to play more now, and we can determine if that's him, I agree. CHO should really be getting Moses' minutes, I hope this is a Moses-in-the-shop-window type situation. Sarri certainly rates Chiesa, not sure what the club think about Bailey, and his dad/agent. If they both come in, it certainly means that Willian is off as well (which is okay with me too). Vesper and Johnnyeye 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyeye 7,509 Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 what a joke, slavery? just stfu Calderon you old fart https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1032460/Chelsea-news-Real-Madrid-Eden-Hazard-Ramon-Calderon/amp Sideshow Luiz and Vesper 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,172 Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Johnnyeye said: what a joke, slavery? just stfu Calderon you old fart https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1032460/Chelsea-news-Real-Madrid-Eden-Hazard-Ramon-Calderon/amp He can fuck right off Sideshow Luiz and Johnnyeye 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the wes 7,212 Posted October 18, 2018 Author Share Posted October 18, 2018 According to this link hazard could stay at the club http://sportwitness.co.uk/chelseas-hazard-ready-accept-new-e18myear-post-tax-deal-stay-stamford-bridge/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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