🇧🇪 Eden Hazard

[Henrique 9,133]

3 hours ago, cfcs most wanted said:

That being said i don't understand why Neymar is rated even close to Hazard or considered even better. It can't be so difficult for a professional to score goals when Suarez and Messi are with you. And look what he adds to the team except goals.......nothing!! absolutely nothing!!! A good player is more than just one who scores tap ins. 

Neymar is just miles ahead of Hazard, and don't come up with "you are brazilian argument", because anyone outside Chelsea fan base would understand that, there is not even reason to discuss that. I'm not even convinced Hazard is the best belgian player.

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

11 minutes ago, Henrique said:

Neymar is just miles ahead of Hazard, and don't come up with "you are brazilian argument", because anyone outside Chelsea fan base would understand that, there is not even reason to discuss that. I'm not even convinced Hazard is the best belgian player.

 

 

I don't think he is the best Belgian player either. De Bruyne has gone missing a few times this season, but what he has shown since coming back to this league has swayed me into viewing him as the best that nation has.

[Weckerz 3,781]

48 minutes ago, Henrique said:

Neymar is just miles ahead of Hazard, and don't come up with "you are brazilian argument", because anyone outside Chelsea fan base would understand that, there is not even reason to discuss that. I'm not even convinced Hazard is the best belgian player.

I wouldn't say miles ahead tbh, they're very different and both very skilled at what they do. Would you have said the same 6 months ago when Hazard won player of the year?

I love Neymar but it's easy to say he's miles better when he's part of the best attacking trio in the world (of all time?) while Hazard is in the biggest slump of his career together with his team.

[Heisenberg 1,824]

12 minutes ago, Weckerz said:

I wouldn't say miles ahead tbh, they're very different and both very skilled at what they do. Would you have said the same 6 months ago when Hazard won player of the year?

I love Neymar but it's easy to say he's miles better when he's part of the best attacking trio in the world (of all time?) while Hazard is in the biggest slump of his career together with his team.

 

Neymar is more efficient, both with Barcelona and Brazil, Hazard definetly suffered from Mourinho's system, but it still doesnt explain this form, both with Belgium and Chelsea.

[Stats 7,227]

1 hour ago, Sir Mikel OBE said:

 

 

I don't think he is the best Belgian player either. De Bruyne has gone missing a few times this season, but what he has shown since coming back to this league has swayed me into viewing him as the best that nation has.

KDB has done brilliantly but he is helped by the fact that he plays for an offensive minded manager. Quite the contrary with Hazard under Mourinho.

[MCM4PR3Z 411]

2 minutes ago, Stats said:

KDB has done brilliantly but he is helped by the fact that he plays for an offensive minded manager. Quite the contrary with Hazard.

KDB has done brilliantly while he's still adjusting and while he never played at his best position this far. Hazard has the pure winger qualities, KDB doesn't.

[Gilvorak 3,734]

KDB has gone missing in almost every big or away game this season. That fraud Silva might be holding him back.

[Gilvorak 3,734]

Bale isn't better than Hazard. His qualities probably suit the PL more though. Pace/power is king over here which Bale has in abundance. Hazard's flair, technique & imagination is tailor made for La Liga.

[MCM4PR3Z 411]

14 minutes ago, Gilvorak said:

KDB has gone missing in almost every big or away game this season. That fraud Silva might be holding him back.

The whole Man City team has gone missing those games, De Bruyne is the only one that still created chances. Silva, Aguero and Yaya are definitely playing worse those games. So even then he is doing fine.

[Gilvorak 3,734]

4 minutes ago, MCM4PR3Z said:

The whole Man City team has gone missing those games, De Bruyne is the only one that still created chances. Silva, Aguero and Yaya are definitely playing worse those games. So even then he is doing fine.

The greatest players elevate their player even when their teammates can't. eg. Hazard in the entire 2nd half of last season.

[MCM4PR3Z 411]

2 minutes ago, Gilvorak said:

The greatest players elevate their player even when their teammates can't. eg. Hazard in the entire 2nd half of last season.

But not when they are adjusting and when they have to play at a position that is not theirs. He is the only one creating chances those games. It's the max he can do as a world class player. He is doing brilliantly, 10 goals 11 assists since his arrival halfway September before the end of 2015.

[Hybrid Angel 2,130]

10 hours ago, Henrique said:

Hazard is yet to put a great performance in UCL game while I'm reading this kind of assertion, and no, I'm not saying he should be sold or he is bad or useless, just not even close of being as good as some of you picture the man.

For me it's more the case of Bale being average than Hazard being that good. 

[DYC. 7,542]

3 hours ago, Hybrid Angel said:

For me it's more the case of Bale being average than Hazard being that good. 

Bale's a brilliant player though. His pace, leap, ability to shoot from distance, finishing, heading, crossing, free-kicks and ability to create chances are all great.

[Special Juan 28,759]

3 for Bale tonight

[Hybrid Angel 2,130]

Always was going to happen wasn't it.

[BlueLion. 21,491]

Hazard can go, for me.

 

He quite literally has contributed next to nothing for the team this season. His attitude stinks - summed up by his decision to substitute himself in two matches without even waiting for the expertise of medics and doctors. He shows zero fight and commitment and I would much rather see someone like Pedro, who can be quite enigmatic and offer nothing for much of the game but then suddenly spark into life, play instead of Hazard. He is the most undeserving recipient of the Player of the Year award I can remember, probably since 2009 when Ryan Giggs was given it out of sentiment after one of the worst Premier League seasons of all-time, where not one individual player stood out. Let's be fair, he had several good spells last season, but in terms of consistency, the fact he beat Terry, Azpilicueta and Matic, who were all utterly outstanding from start to finish, to that accolade was an absolute piss-take. Hazard had the opposite season to Costa - he started meekly (which we didn't notice because of the outstanding performances of Cesc, Costa, etc.), and then when players like Diego and Cesc and Oscar lost form after Christmas, because he suddenly turned into our main source of goals, people, for some reason, identified him as the man who fired us to the title. He hasn't had one consistent season for us - in fact, I'd say his debut season was probably his most consistent and you knew you'd get some Robben-esque excitement from him. Now he is a predictable dribble-merchant with little end product and his confidence is absolutely shot. Time to get rid, I think. 

 

If he goes, it'll be for mega money that we can reinvest elsewhere. He has proven to be a worthwhile short-term investment but it has always been clear that Chelsea would be a stepping stone on towards a bigger club, i.e. Real Madrid. Let him go and play for his "idol" and you'll more clearly be able to see exactly where in the world's pegging order he is. He'd struggle to get into that Real side. Who, out of Benzema, Ronaldo and Bale, is he going to displace? I just hope Madrid are stupid enough to offer us Bale or James in exchange, or that we use the money to bring in someone like Griezmann, Reus, or even Yevhen Konoplyanka, who would be a brilliant acquisition. 

 

I'll get a lot of hate for this post, but I can deal with that. It's my opinion. He's been fantastic for three years and I thoroughly appreciate all he did for helping us win the Europa League, League Cup, and Premier League in his time here. But this season has demonstrated to me that he has little interest in playing for this club, and there is no point in keeping a player against his own interests. If he wants to move, then so be it. If he wants to stay, he needs to severely buck his ideas. We play better without him at the minute. That's how poor he's been. People are willing to slag off Ivanovic (who ironically has been a solid 6 or 7 out of 10 in every game he's play since Guus Hiddink came back) despite what he's helped the club achieve (which is a helluva lot more than Hazard has helped contribute towards), yet people give Eden the benefit of the doubt, which is grossly unfair. Past accomplishments shouldn't even come into it. We shouldn't be having to look into bringing back heroes like Drogba to incentivise him to stay. I don't buy the "Hazard struggles under the Mourinho system" bollocks, either. He's given far more freedom on his flank (the reason Azpi plays LB is because he is far better defensively than any other full-back we have or have had since Mourinho's return) than any other player in the squad. You aren't allowed the freedom in the Premier League that Barcelona can offer Messi, Neymar, and Suarez. The freak anomalies of Cristiano Ronaldo and Ryan Giggs aside, almost every wideman at every big club in England has had to do their defensive responsibilities over the years. The best example I can think of is Freddie Ljungberg, who was an absolute work-horse, as was Pires, as part of Wenger's policy of "defending from the front". You don't see Willian complain about it, do you? Similarly, you don't see a limitation to Willian's attacking play just because he effectively has to play as a right-back. Wide midfield is the most taxing position in the game and if Hazard can't hack the physicality, he needs to reinvent himself either as a number 10 (where he struggles to impose himself on the opposition) or as a second striker, but, as we've seen, his lack of confidence in his shooting abilities makes him far, far, far less effective in the final third than players like Bale or even de Bruyne. 

 

Either he sorts his shit out, or we flog him for £65 million. For me, the second option is the more appealing because I don't think he has the stomach to be a truly world-class player. I'd love for him to prove me wrong, but I've yet to be convinced by the boy, and he's been here for four years now. Conversely, players like Willian have completely won me over despite being here for only half the time. That's because Willian isn't afraid to get his hands dirty when our back's against the ropes. Hazard doesn't have the fight nor the stomach, and that's why he is completely outshone at the highest level (UCL and international) by his team-mates. 

[Jase 43,479]

Player's form drop/Player doesn't play well - Dismiss him without any solid reason - Want the club to sell him - Club sell him - Player performs well at other club - Moan about decision of selling him in Ex-Blues section.

Rinse and Repeat.

[BlueLion. 21,491]

2 minutes ago, Jason said:

Player's form drop/Player doesn't play well - Dismiss him without any solid reason - Want the club to sell him - Club sell him - Player performs well at other club - Moan about decision of selling him in Ex-Blues section.

Rinse and Repeat.

I think I offered plenty of solid reasons, in honesty. 

[Styles 9,790]

4 minutes ago, BlueLion said:

Hazard can go, for me.

 

He quite literally has contributed next to nothing for the team this season. His attitude stinks - summed up by his decision to substitute himself in two matches without even waiting for the expertise of medics and doctors. He shows zero fight and commitment and I would much rather see someone like Pedro, who can be quite enigmatic and offer nothing for much of the game but then suddenly spark into life, play instead of Hazard. He is the most undeserving recipient of the Player of the Year award I can remember, probably since 2009 when Ryan Giggs was given it out of sentiment after one of the worst Premier League seasons of all-time, where not one individual player stood out. Let's be fair, he had several good spells last season, but in terms of consistency, the fact he beat Terry, Azpilicueta and Matic, who were all utterly outstanding from start to finish, to that accolade was an absolute piss-take. Hazard had the opposite season to Costa - he started meekly (which we didn't notice because of the outstanding performances of Cesc, Costa, etc.), and then when players like Diego and Cesc and Oscar lost form after Christmas, because he suddenly turned into our main source of goals, people, for some reason, identified him as the man who fired us to the title. He hasn't had one consistent season for us - in fact, I'd say his debut season was probably his most consistent and you knew you'd get some Robben-esque excitement from him. Now he is a predictable dribble-merchant with little end product and his confidence is absolutely shot. Time to get rid, I think. 

 

If he goes, it'll be for mega money that we can reinvest elsewhere. He has proven to be a worthwhile short-term investment but it has always been clear that Chelsea would be a stepping stone on towards a bigger club, i.e. Real Madrid. Let him go and play for his "idol" and you'll see just how bang average he is. I just hope Madrid are stupid enough to offer us Bale or James in exchange, or that we use the money to bring in someone like Griezmann, Reus, or even Yevhen Konoplyanka.

 

I'll get a lot of hate for this post, but I can deal with that. It's my opinion. He's been fantastic for three years and I thoroughly appreciate all he did for helping us win the Europa League, League Cup, and Premier League in his time here. But this season has demonstrated to me that he has little interest in playing for this club, and there is no point in keeping a player against his own interests. If he wants to move, then so be it. If he wants to stay, he needs to severely buck his ideas. We play better without him at the minute. That's how poor he's been. People are willing to slag off Ivanovic (who ironically has been a solid 6 or 7 out of 10 in every game he's play since Guus Hiddink came back) despite what he's helped the club achieve (which is a helluva lot more than Hazard has helped contribute towards), yet people give Eden the benefit of the doubt, which is grossly unfair. Past accomplishments shouldn't even come into it. We shouldn't be having to look into bringing back heroes like Drogba to incentivise him to stay.

 

Either he sorts his shit out, or we flog him for £65 million.

 

For me, the second option is the more appealing because I don't think he has the stomach to be a truly world-class player.

Ban him please, mods.

[BlueLion. 21,491]

Just now, Styles said:

Ban him please, mods.

 

Or perhaps come back with a reasoned argument?

 

Like I said, if I get hate, I don't even give a fuck. It's my opinion and I'm entitled to it. It's time for players to stand up and be counted and not substitute themselves off.