🇧🇷 David Luiz

[The Skipper 20,609]

It's easy to list 2 good CBs for 40 mio.

Obviously we can't get 2 CBs that are both at the same level as Luiz but we could get one at the same level and a very good backup which we need at the moment.

Hummels would be my first buy for the money. He costs 23 mio. according to transfermarkt (we don't know the real prices so ppl normally use transfermarkt)

Then we would have 17 mio. left. We could get a good CB for 17 mio. (not Luiz good but Hummels would be the direct replacement). A quick example would be Mangala. He costs 13 mio. according to transfermarkt. Then we would even have 4 mio. left.

And I talk to a lot of football fans that rate Hummels higher than Luiz - a lot of you guys are biased because it's a Chelsea player. Ask on other forums and a lot of ppl would say Hummels above Luiz.

It's ignorant to think that only a few ppl rate Hummels higher than Luiz. Come on.

Three flaws in your argument:

1) There's no way Hummels would go for £23m, everyone knows that Dortmund have no incentive to sell and he doesn't have a release clause. He'd cost at least £30m/£40m himself since Dortmund are definitely not keen to lose any more of their main players.

2) It is also a well known that Mangala won't go for anything less than his release clause (£42m) - this makes the £40m for Luiz look even worse.

3) Luiz had a way better season than Hummels did. That's why people are saying that Luiz is the better CB, because fact is he has been one of the best in Europe whilst Hummels failed to be even close to that last season.

Still waiting for you to provide these supposed two good realistic targets we could get if we accepted a £40m bid.

[bleed_blue 136]

I dont get these people who say that hummels just had a bad season. Good players don't go one full season in bad form unless there is an injury involved or they are adjusting to a new league.

[DanishBlue 426]

Skipper - the problem is that you don't know anything about how much the clubs want for their players. We only know the price until things are official. You just guess.

That's why I said I used transfermarkt since it's a non-biased site that value the players marketvalue! You, as a chelsea fan, have another view on Luiz than 90% of the entire football community. This is where you and some other guys are wrong. Everyone else knows that 40 mio. is a super offer and most ppl don't think he is worth it. Heck it, he is only on around 26 mio. on transfermarkt.

I know that transfermarkt isn't bulletproof or that players are going for the prices there, but as I just said we have to look at their marketvalue since we are not the ones that do the negotiating.

And that's why I say those two players.

And to the ppl who say Luiz is better because Hummels just had one(!) bad season.. if one bad season makes a player a bad player Luiz would be one of the worst CBs in high-level football since his first season with us was a nightmare with all his errors. Hummels has been amazing for years and one medium season doesn't change that.

[zolayes 14,489]

someone please explain just what transfermarket is ,,, like buying players on Football Manager,????????

[bleed_blue 136]

Skipper - the problem is that you don't know anything about how much the clubs want for their players. We only know the price until things are official. You just guess.

That's why I said I used transfermarkt since it's a non-biased site that value the players marketvalue! You, as a chelsea fan, have another view on Luiz than 90% of the entire football community. This is where you and some other guys are wrong. Everyone else knows that 40 mio. is a super offer and most ppl don't think he is worth it. Heck it, he is only on around 26 mio. on transfermarkt.

I know that transfermarkt isn't bulletproof or that players are going for the prices there, but as I just said we have to look at their marketvalue since we are not the ones that do the negotiating.

And that's why I say those two players.

And to the ppl who say Luiz is better because Hummels just had one(!) bad season.. if one bad season makes a player a bad player Luiz would be one of the worst CBs in high-level football since his first season with us was a nightmare with all his errors. Hummels has been amazing for years and one medium season doesn't change that.

OK, forget the number 40 million. Since you seem to rate Luiz so low, how do you justify your statement that we can get two good defenders from Luiz sale. According to you Hummels is superior to Luiz. So when we sell Luiz for X million and approach Dortmund, will they sell Hummels for less than what we sold an "inferior" player?

someone please explain just what transfermarket is ,,, like buying players on Football Manager,????????

They are a player database website. They also assign some random current values to the players.

The numbers are mostly bullshit as they hardly consider the length of contract that is remaining and other such stuff. My advise: don't bother with them.

[Ainsley Harriott 2,732]

It's easy to list 2 good CBs for 40 mio.

Obviously we can't get 2 CBs that are both at the same level as Luiz but we could get one at the same level and a very good backup which we need at the moment.

Hummels would be my first buy for the money. He costs 23 mio. according to transfermarkt (we don't know the real prices so ppl normally use transfermarkt)

Then we would have 17 mio. left. We could get a good CB for 17 mio. (not Luiz good but Hummels would be the direct replacement). A quick example would be Mangala. He costs 13 mio. according to transfermarkt. Then we would even have 4 mio. left.

And I talk to a lot of football fans that rate Hummels higher than Luiz - a lot of you guys are biased because it's a Chelsea player. Ask on other forums and a lot of ppl would say Hummels above Luiz.

It's ignorant to think that only a few ppl rate Hummels higher than Luiz. Come on.

Yea... Right........

[The Skipper 20,609]

Skipper - the problem is that you don't know anything about how much the clubs want for their players. We only know the price until things are official. You just guess.

That's why I said I used transfermarkt since it's a non-biased site that value the players marketvalue! You, as a chelsea fan, have another view on Luiz than 90% of the entire football community. This is where you and some other guys are wrong. Everyone else knows that 40 mio. is a super offer and most ppl don't think he is worth it. Heck it, he is only on around 26 mio. on transfermarkt.

I know that transfermarkt isn't bulletproof or that players are going for the prices there, but as I just said we have to look at their marketvalue since we are not the ones that do the negotiating.

And that's why I say those two players.

And to the ppl who say Luiz is better because Hummels just had one(!) bad season.. if one bad season makes a player a bad player Luiz would be one of the worst CBs in high-level football since his first season with us was a nightmare with all his errors. Hummels has been amazing for years and one medium season doesn't change that.

Transfermarkt fees are nowhere near the real life valuation of a player. Like I said before, there's no way Dortmund would sell Hummels for a mere £23m when they don't need the money. I doubt they disclosed how much Hummels is worth to transfermarkt.

And again, everyone knows that Porto never sell their players for anything less than the release clause (or close to it). His release clause is £42m. There's no way he'd go for a mere £13m. I'd go by that more than going by any fee transfermarkt puts up. The fact that Luiz is being quoted at £40m whilst transfermarkt had him at £26m should tell you why the fees they put up aren't meant to be taken literally.

I don't know why you can't comprehend why people are saying Luiz is better than Hummels. Your example is flawed - we're talking about their form from last season, not their form 3 seasons back. Hummels has been very, very error prone last season and had a bad season whether you like it or not. If going by their recent finished season, a lot of people who watch both on a regular basis would have Luiz over him 9/10 times, I sincerely believe so.

[Ankit 3,176]

barcastuff ‏@barcastuff2m

Talks on a transfer of David Luiz have started. A Barcelona director could soon travel to London. Sources say possible deal next week. [md]

[HNKS 508]

barcastuff ‏@barcastuff2m

Talks on a transfer of David Luiz have started. A Barcelona director could soon travel to London. Sources say possible deal next week. [md]

Bullshit

[Stingray 9,441]

barcastuff ‏@barcastuff2m

Talks on a transfer of David Luiz have started. A Barcelona director could soon travel to London. Sources say possible deal next week. [md]

Bullshit

Bullshit indeed. They say the same about Kompany, Agger, Vermaelen, Vertonghen ....

What are they gonna do ... Buy all the EPL CB's

[didierforever 7,349]

cant see y we would be selling him and even if we should, nothing less than 35mil pounds. not a penny less.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Jose said that NO ONE will be leaving and that means that no one will be leaving. Who do the media think we are? Arsenal?!

[DanishBlue 426]

Skipper - Luiz still only had one good season for us and it's not like he as been all amazing. He has only been alright if you consider the money we paid for him.. yes, he was our best CB but that only says something about our other CBs. Terry has not played that well and Cahill is per definition nothing more than okay - that's why a lot of ppl think that Chelsea need a new CB. 2 seasons ago we finishes 6th in the league and had the worst defense in our Roman period.

Seriously, I love Luiz (I never said otherwise) and the only thing I said from the beginning is that we should consider 40 mio. for him because of the fact that he is not worth 40 mio. - and yes, I'm pretty sure a lot of ppl from other parts of the football community will agree here.

I know transfermarkt is not always the right prices but I just used it since I see a lot of ppl on this site do it all the time. And hey, do you know better than them? Why don't you get a job there then? More ppl use transfermarkt than you for prices so even though the are not always right it's more reliable than what you think.

Hummels will never go for even close to 40 mio. Why? Because he is not close to worth it. Luiz is not close to being a 40 mio. player aswell and that's why we should consider it - it's a ridiculous offer.

But hey, I don't mind him staying at all. In fact I would love it - I'm just thinking about what players are worth and what not.

I would still have Hummels over Luiz though. I love discipline in the defense and it's crucial not to make mistakes down there. Luiz don't fuck up that much anymore but you still have the feeling that it can go wrong everytime he is near the ball - I don't have that feeling with Hummels when I watch him. But that's just me, ppl have different taste. No doubt Luiz is more "spectator-friendly" with his step over tricks and curly hair though.

[The only place to be 11,313]

Skipper - Luiz still only had one good season for us and it's not like he as been all amazing. He has only been alright if you consider the money we paid for him.. yes, he was our best CB but that only says something about our other CBs. Terry has not played that well and Cahill is per definition nothing more than okay - that's why a lot of ppl think that Chelsea need a new CB. 2 seasons ago we finishes 6th in the league and had the worst defense in our Roman period.

Seriously, I love Luiz (I never said otherwise) and the only thing I said from the beginning is that we should consider 40 mio. for him because of the fact that he is not worth 40 mio. - and yes, I'm pretty sure a lot of ppl from other parts of the football community will agree here.

I know transfermarkt is not always the right prices but I just used it since I see a lot of ppl on this site do it all the time. And hey, do you know better than them? Why don't you get a job there then? More ppl use transfermarkt than you for prices so even though the are not always right it's more reliable than what you think.

Hummels will never go for even close to 40 mio. Why? Because he is not close to worth it. Luiz is not close to being a 40 mio. player aswell and that's why we should consider it - it's a ridiculous offer.

But hey, I don't mind him staying at all. In fact I would love it - I'm just thinking about what players are worth and what not.

I would still have Hummels over Luiz though. I love discipline in the defense and it's crucial not to make mistakes down there. Luiz don't fuck up that much anymore but you still have the feeling that it can go wrong everytime he is near the ball - I don't have that feeling with Hummels when I watch him. But that's just me, ppl have different taste. No doubt Luiz is more "spectator-friendly" with his step over tricks and curly hair though.

I agree with a lot of this, and have mentioned a few of these points in the past. We still talk about Luiz in terms of what he can be, not what he is so when you factor in his age (26 and with almost 300 first-team appearances in his career) then he probably isn't worth £40 million. That's why any offer would have to be considered.

In terms of replacements then you're almost certainly looking at younger players with potential as well, along the lines of Zouma or Mangala. But my personal preference would be to take that £40 million and dangle it in front of Real for Varane.

[olivertwist 23]

If any club is foolish enough to grossly overpay for a defender to the tune of £40m plus then it would be equally foolish to reject such an offer. that's the price for elite defenders in their prime which Luiz ISN'T imho and people can bang on about potential all they want. You pay such for Silva, prime Nesta, prime vidic, prime canavaro etc. not Luiz.

[Reddish-Blue 2,506]

I agree with a lot of this, and have mentioned a few of these points in the past. We still talk about Luiz in terms of what he can be, not what he is so when you factor in his age (26 and with almost 300 first-team appearances in his career) then he probably isn't worth £40 million. That's why any offer would have to be considered.

In terms of replacements then you're almost certainly looking at younger players with potential as well, along the lines of Zouma or Mangala. But my personal preference would be to take that £40 million and dangle it in front of Real for Varane.

I think Luiz brings alot of intangibles which can't be measured by money.

I don't know how much Luiz is worth...but not many defenders in world football are actually worth 40 million.

If Luiz was to be sold (which is unlikely), why not make Barca overpay for him?

[The Skipper 20,609]

If any club is foolish enough to grossly overpay for a defender to the tune of £40m plus then it would be equally foolish to reject such an offer. that's the price for elite defenders in their prime which Luiz ISN'T imho and people can bang on about potential all they want. You pay such for Silva, prime Nesta, prime vidic, prime canavaro etc. not Luiz.

Lol, he's about a season away maximum from his prime, maybe even next season.

Luiz is barely potential. Sure, he can still improve mentally but physically and technically his game is set. He's one of the best CBs out there in those aspects and can walk into almost any team. We're a club that don't sell their best players. He's still got a long term contract here with us. That's why he's being quoted at £40m.

[HNKS 508]

Luiz is a great defender. If only he wasnt so reckless at times.

[Strike 7,489]

a David Luiz lookalike apparently bossed training

[Bir_CFC 3,455]

If any club is foolish enough to grossly overpay for a defender to the tune of £40m plus then it would be equally foolish to reject such an offer. that's the price for elite defenders in their prime which Luiz ISN'T imho and people can bang on about potential all they want. You pay such for Silva, prime Nesta, prime vidic, prime canavaro etc. not Luiz.

What you fail to understand is that Chelsea doesn't want to sell Luiz. If he was transfer listed and we were looking to sell him of course no one would reject 40M.

If you don't want to or have to sell him then whatever is being quoted doesn't matter. Chelsea don't need the money.