Jase 43,479 Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 52 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said: Defensively yes but again until we get someone else better defensively who can do half of what he can do with the ball, he will be a regular. Sarri probably pushing for him to get a new deal just like he pushed for Pedro to get a new contract in the summer. Time for Sarri to get "creative" and identify someone who can do a better job then. Sticking with Luiz isn't going to get us anywhere. 1905didierblue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoSalah 8,886 Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, Jason said: Time for Sarri to get "creative" and identify someone who can do a better job then. Sticking with Luiz isn't going to get us anywhere. Unfortunately we are transfer banned. Talk of Varane wanting out of Real but there is absolutely no chance we would get him, unless Real throw him in Hazard deal. Varane would be an unbelievable signing by all accords, struggled at times this year but has been playing at an extremely high level for 6 years. 26 years old. Would be a brilliant signing. OhForAGreavsie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 Just now, OneMoSalah said: Unfortunately we are transfer banned. That remains to be seen. Otherwise, look at the loanees! 1905didierblue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoSalah 8,886 Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 Just now, Jason said: That remains to be seen. Otherwise, look at the loanees! Zouma? Jesus imagine him playing out from the back, solid enough defensively but still doesnt read the game any better than he did when he started playing here, too reliant on his pace and that will cost us goals. Tomori isnt ready and the likes of Kalas, Clarke-Salter, Miazga.... not a lot there. Supermonkey92 and Tomo 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arlen Correa 161 Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 "Progressive" managers tend to rate sweeper keepers and CBs that are not actually good at defending if they are able to help reciclating possession. Guardiola loves it too. I would prefer two skilful fulbacks even if they are not that good in defense but always line up a strong pair of traditional CBs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1905didierblue 748 Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 2 hours ago, OneMoSalah said: Zouma? Jesus imagine him playing out from the back, solid enough defensively but still doesnt read the game any better than he did when he started playing here, too reliant on his pace and that will cost us goals. Tomori isnt ready and the likes of Kalas, Clarke-Salter, Miazga.... not a lot there. Given how our whole defense used to boot the ball up under Jose and Conte, and how nervous we looked whenever the defense had the ball, I would have said the same about our whole defense. That is what sarri is there to do, teach zouma how to play out the back. Why is tomori not ready? Does he let his man run freely into the box to score? No? Then he is more ready than this piece of shit. Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1905didierblue 748 Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Arlen Correa said: "Progressive" managers tend to rate sweeper keepers and CBs that are not actually good at defending if they are able to help reciclating possession. Guardiola loves it too. I would prefer two skilful fulbacks even if they are not that good in defense but always line up a strong pair of traditional CBs. Puyol was a mainstay of the pep pepe Barca. His captain. And I have never heard anyone say that puyol was not good at defending. Even these days he has kompany playing while stones is warming his ass on the bench. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arlen Correa 161 Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 33 minutes ago, 1905didierblue said: Puyol was a mainstay of the pep pepe Barca. His captain. And I have never heard anyone say that puyol was not good at defending. Even these days he has kompany playing while stones is warming his ass on the bench. When Guardiola became Barcelona manager Puyol was already captain, leader of the group and a starter for more than 9 years. Also that was 2008. I'm talking about the current trend among hipster managers. You mentioned Kompany but surely City are not playing with just one CB? Who is their other starter CB? Is the french David Luiz Aymeric Laporte. Error prone like David Luiz. Slightly worse with the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1905didierblue 748 Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 35 minutes ago, Arlen Correa said: When Guardiola became Barcelona manager Puyol was already captain, leader of the group and a starter for more than 9 years. Also that was 2008. I'm talking about the current trend among hipster managers. You mentioned Kompany but surely City are not playing with just one CB? Who is their other starter CB? Is the french David Luiz Aymeric Laporte. Error prone like David Luiz. Slightly worse with the ball. But if his preference was a ball playing CB over someone who can actually defend, then surely puyol would have been out. It's not as if pep was shy of making changes. He threw Yaya out of the team for a very very young and unproven busquets. If puyol was not his type of player, then surely he would have gotten the same treatment Regarding city, Laporte is not as good a ball playing defender as stones, but is definitely a better defender than stones. As far as I see it, pep is playing his 2 worst ball playing defenders in kompany and Laporte over stones and otamendi. And that would not happen if he just chose defender on their "ball playing" ability rather than actual defending. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NiclasCFC 2,582 Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 Wow this guy is exposed without Rudiger next to him. Johnnyeye and 1905didierblue 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1905didierblue 748 Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 51 minutes ago, NiclasCFC said: Wow this guy is exposed without Rudiger next to him. To be fair to Luiz, he looked exposed even with a prime silva next to him. He would look exposed with a prime cannavaro/nesta/beckenbaeuer next to him Vesper, Johnnyeye and the wes 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the wes 7,212 Posted May 10, 2019 Author Share Posted May 10, 2019 Our board are laughable offering David luiz a new deal http://sport.bt.com/news/luiz-close-to-tying-up-new-chelsea-contract-S11364361244077 Johnnyeye, Antonio8 and Vesper 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,190 Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 6 minutes ago, the wes said: Our board are laughable offering David luiz a new deal http://sport.bt.com/news/luiz-close-to-tying-up-new-chelsea-contract-S11364361244077 Ffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the wes 7,212 Posted May 10, 2019 Author Share Posted May 10, 2019 Tomori would have stop jovic scoring last night David luiz is an experience defender he should have done better with jovic goal take luiz passing ability away from him he would be another Tal Ben Haim 1905didierblue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 18,918 Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 I'd be fine with giving him a new deal if it meant he wasn't a nailed on starter. But we all know he will be. 😔 Guess that probably rules out bringing in a new CB. Maybe Zouma will indeed return instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laylabelle 9,535 Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 When he's good he's good.. When he has moments wow. Whoever said it was right when they compared him to a PlayStation/fifa player. Something along those lines Johnnyeye 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henrique 9,133 Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 16 hours ago, Jason said: Time for Sarri to get "creative" and identify someone who can do a better job then. Sticking with Luiz isn't going to get us anywhere. Facts are facts mate. With David Luiz playing as our main CB we won UCL 7 years ago, he was a starting XI when we won PL 2 years ago...and guess what, David Luiz is back in the team and we are back to UCL. Stats 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,190 Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 1 minute ago, Henrique said: Facts are facts mate. With David Luiz playing as our main CB we won UCL 7 years ago, he was a starting XI when we won PL 2 years ago...and guess what, David Luiz is back in the team and we are back to UCL. the key is DESPITE him, NOT because of him he is pure shit at key points of the game, extraordinarily undisciplined mentally Antonio8, Johnnyeye and 1905didierblue 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyeye 7,510 Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 4 hours ago, Laylabelle said: Whoever said it was right when they compared him to a PlayStation/fifa player. Something along those lines none other than Gary Neville the wes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henrique 9,133 Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Vesper said: the key is DESPITE him, NOT because of him he is pure shit at key points of the game, extraordinarily undisciplined mentally It just doesnt make any sense. He was part of those teams and he helped the team to achieve those things. In Sarri team he is a key player, no matter what you say. Stats 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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