🇧🇷 David Luiz

[Unionjack 7,531]

3 minutes ago, Ryan Fong said:

Azpi would be my first pick for the starting lineup along with Hazard and Kante. This Spaniard is a true fighter, his spirit alone wins me over and all the rest are just bonus. Zouma replaces Cahill then we have a pretty solid CB combo. I'm genuinely worried about Christensen's situation if he can't outperform Zouma. 

I really hope Happy comes back stronger than ever. I reckon he will get half a game or so at Boro.

Butl the next 2 windows and pre season will be very interersting eh..

[Adnane 1,101]

Zouma - Luiz - Christensen

All three players on their strong feet ( Luiz doesn't really care since he's strong on both... ), Luiz-Christensen is as good a ball playing pair as it gets, + one beast of a pure defender who has the speed to cover in pretty much any situation.

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[Sideshow Luiz 2,310]

5 hours ago, Adnane said:

Zouma - Luiz - Christensen

All three players on their strong feet ( Luiz doesn't really care since he's strong on both... ), Luiz-Christensen is as good a ball playing pair as it gets, + one beast of a pure defender who has the speed to cover in pretty much any situation.

I think Zouma is right footed.

Pretty sure that's why Conte wanted Romagnoli. 

[Thor 2,704]

Luiz is the victim of his personality. If you're a funky, funny, wacky type guy with the hair to match, then you'll get called out for your mistakes a hell of a lot more, and your commitment and attitude will be questioned. 

I never knew why anyone here was in uproar about him originally returning . I'm sure many of you are saying "easy to say that now" with him playing so well, but if you look back, I was delighted with him returning. He is a brilliant player, and a great defender. The whole "he is not a great defender, but a great player" shtick was a load of BS from the get go. He is great on the ball, physically imposing, and very direct. Also, he is one of the better defenders in one on one situations. 

He likes to get forward and sometimes makes a mistake? What top class defender doesn't? There is no chance in hell that if you go game by game, and analyze everything carefully, that he makes that much more, or any more mistakes than someone like Kompany, Terry, Bonucci, Mustafi, etc. Just go rewatch the Arsenal-Spurs game over the weekend. I saw Mustafi make 4 errors alone that game with clearances and not defending possible goal opportunities, and no one said a word because nothing happened with it. Same with the so called "awesome Spurs duo". A bunch of mistakes, but didn't really result in any goals. But, you know, they don't have the joker type personality, so they don't get called out on it. 

 

Luiz is a fantastic player for us. For me, a deadset starter every week. Not to mention, a very emotional player who seems to love the club. Captain wouldn't be a stretch, and would probably make him a bit more serious about it all, which some of you would love, since you're only allowed one type of personality. 

[coolhead23 1,147]

20 hours ago, El P. said:

Terry has brain-farts too, just like any top defenders. I'm not worried about that. And even if we let one goal in because of him, we have good attack, we can recover.
Also, in 3-4-3, there is always someone who will cover defense for him. Anyone bar Hazard, Pedro or Costa, actually, whole team is dynamic.

Luiz is risk, but much needed and affordable one.

I m not denying that every top players has that brain fart or bad patch but the issue with David's is that those are epic ... Most of these top players more or else recovers within the game itself but Luiz's is unrecoverable at times. 

Honestly if one goal goes because of him today, U can see the outbreak everywhere (fans and pundits alike) even if we win. We cannot say that ohh we have got a good attack who can make it up for that one mistake, time and again we have seen that when a team parks the bus it becomes very difficult to score no matter what formation you. And more importantly (my thing is) why make a mistake which can cost you. 

I like Luiz right from the time he has been here but I wouldnt still trust him in my defense (for me his place is in the defensive midfield area) ... However I give full marks to Conte for keeping him in check all this while, I seriously hope and pray it continue the entire time because Luiz is such a complete player without the errors. 

[The Skipper 20,609]

10 hours ago, coolhead23 said:

I m not denying that every top players has that brain fart or bad patch but the issue with David's is that those are epic ... Most of these top players more or else recovers within the game itself but Luiz's is unrecoverable at times. 

Honestly if one goal goes because of him today, U can see the outbreak everywhere (fans and pundits alike) even if we win. We cannot say that ohh we have got a good attack who can make it up for that one mistake, time and again we have seen that when a team parks the bus it becomes very difficult to score no matter what formation you. And more importantly (my thing is) why make a mistake which can cost you. 

I like Luiz right from the time he has been here but I wouldnt still trust him in my defense (for me his place is in the defensive midfield area) ... However I give full marks to Conte for keeping him in check all this while, I seriously hope and pray it continue the entire time because Luiz is such a complete player without the errors. 

Can you bring up at least 5 examples of him making epic mistakes? 

[coolhead23 1,147]

57 minutes ago, The Skipper said:

Can you bring up at least 5 examples of him making epic mistakes? 

The ones that struck with me was the Brazil game (finals), couple of United games where he couldnt handle Rafael, Games towards the end of his first stint and there was that famous nutmeg by Suarez which completely destroyed him. These are the ones I remember vividly, wasnt sure I had to provide examples else would have noted it down. Next time I will have proper examples for you

 

P.S. I hope I dont have to come up with these examples ever again for Luiz. 

[Unionjack 7,531]

The only thing that ever pissed me off about him was rgeowing himself on the floor and giggling like a schoolgirl. Like he was competing with Drogs who could make a dive look the more ridiculous.

But hes changed alot since those silly billy days. I think unless he brings in a stronger candidate I'd be happy to give him the captains armband.

[Blue Colored Sky 1,807]

On 8.11.2016 at 1:41 PM, Unionjack said:

I'm not being nasty or criticizing anyone but Luiz is the only one of the back 3 I wouldn't rush to upgrade.

YES Dave has been blinding in the 3-4-3. His stats,heat charts and passing diagrams have shown it. BUT we know hes got his weaknesses.

And Cahil has looked much better too but I cant see im being a starter after a transfer window.

We have 2 great young fast CBs in Happy and Christensen and keepng Dave would give us some great depth.

I honestly think tho the Don will be looking to upgrade both lads.

I like Dave alot, hes a great worker and a solid player with a good character but theres no room for sentiment if we want to keep progressing and dominate Europe.

We shall see.

What are you on mate, if Azpilicueta was 5cm taller but played exactly like he is now he'd be praised as a one of the best CBs in Europe. His passing is good, can advance with the ball at ease, he is extremely fast and agile for a CB, probably the best 1on1 defender in the world, aggressive, has leadership and organizing qualities (Moses talked about it) never gives up, hard in the tackle, good anticipation and the best for the last, is concentrated for full 90 minutes and has the least brainfarts I can think of. Pure beast. He is undroppable, he is Hazard of that RCB position, I don't know how in the hell he can be still regarded as some sort of a makeshift option until better times, he has had 5 world class displays so far there, his biggest weakness (height) is well protected there as David Luiz, Cahill and Alonso are usually in the box as well, besides if we let some goal(s) because he was beaten in the air it's the small price to pay for all other qualities he gives.

[Unionjack 7,531]

23 minutes ago, Blue Colored Sky said:

What are you on mate, if Azpilicueta was 5cm taller but played exactly like he is now he'd be praised as a one of the best CBs in Europe. His passing is good, can advance with the ball at ease, he is extremely fast and agile for a CB, probably the best 1on1 defender in the world, aggressive, has leadership and organizing qualities (Moses talked about it) never gives up, hard in the tackle, good anticipation and the best for the last, is concentrated for full 90 minutes and has the least brainfarts I can think of. Pure beast. He is undroppable, he is Hazard of that RCB position, I don't know how in the hell he can be still regarded as some sort of a makeshift option until better times, he has had 5 world class displays so far there, his biggest weakness (height) is well protected there as David Luiz, Cahill and Alonso are usually in the box as well, besides if we let some goal(s) because he was beaten in the air it's the small price to pay for all other qualities he gives.

I hear everything you say thru my drugged haze and I agree with alot but I still think he lacks some power and aagression.

[Tomo 21,751]

15 minutes ago, Unionjack said:

I hear everything you say thru my drugged haze and I agree with alot but I still think he lacks some power and aagression.

So did Carvalho and he did allright.

Having a fullback in a back three offers balance as he knows when to drift wide in defense situations, Spurs had trouble with that vs Arsenal Dier didn't know when to come wide in defense. 

[BlueLyon 9,359]

On 08/11/2016 at 1:41 PM, Unionjack said:

I'm not being nasty or criticizing anyone but Luiz is the only one of the back 3 I wouldn't rush to upgrade.

YES Dave has been blinding in the 3-4-3. His stats,heat charts and passing diagrams have shown it. BUT we know hes got his weaknesses.

And Cahil has looked much better too but I cant see im being a starter after a transfer window.

We have 2 great young fast CBs in Happy and Christensen and keepng Dave would give us some great depth.

I honestly think tho the Don will be looking to upgrade both lads.

I like Dave alot, hes a great worker and a solid player with a good character but theres no room for sentiment if we want to keep progressing and dominate Europe.

We shall see.

I see plenty of these kind of posts, that when we grow further, Dave will have to be replaced because he is "limited".

Well fuck me, I dont know what games people watch because apart from a mistake every few games which is perfectly normal for all world class defenders, Dave is sublime. 

But sure. He is a defender. And as far I know people today want defenders to do rabonas and 3 mile perfect passes. If they cant do that, they are not good enough for top side. Who wants to defend anyways right? Damn Pep is a good coach, but since his ballplaying defenders bullshit, everyone wants defenders to be everything but defenders. 

Azpi is a fucking world class defender and almost a legend and no way he is going to be replaced. Be it on RB or RCB, he will play.

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On 11/8/2016 at 7:41 AM, Unionjack said:

I'm not being nasty or criticizing anyone but Luiz is the only one of the back 3 I wouldn't rush to upgrade.

YES Dave has been blinding in the 3-4-3. His stats,heat charts and passing diagrams have shown it. BUT we know hes got his weaknesses.

And Cahil has looked much better too but I cant see im being a starter after a transfer window.

We have 2 great young fast CBs in Happy and Christensen and keepng Dave would give us some great depth.

I honestly think tho the Don will be looking to upgrade both lads.

I like Dave alot, hes a great worker and a solid player with a good character but theres no room for sentiment if we want to keep progressing and dominate Europe.

We shall see.

he is probably the best pure defender we have on the squad. 

I agree that Luiz is our best defender in a 3 back setting but Azpi has been no slouch! his ability to close down and press make him very hard to replace in that back three. Not to mention his distribution has been close to flawless. One might even go as far as to say Moses' ascendancy at right wingback is correlated to Azpi being implemented at RCB.

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19 hours ago, coolhead23 said:

I m not denying that every top players has that brain fart or bad patch but the issue with David's is that those are epic ... Most of these top players more or else recovers within the game itself but Luiz's is unrecoverable at times. 

Honestly if one goal goes because of him today, U can see the outbreak everywhere (fans and pundits alike) even if we win. We cannot say that ohh we have got a good attack who can make it up for that one mistake, time and again we have seen that when a team parks the bus it becomes very difficult to score no matter what formation you. And more importantly (my thing is) why make a mistake which can cost you. 

I like Luiz right from the time he has been here but I wouldnt still trust him in my defense (for me his place is in the defensive midfield area) ... However I give full marks to Conte for keeping him in check all this while, I seriously hope and pray it continue the entire time because Luiz is such a complete player without the errors. 

You can draw the same sort of errors with pretty much every defender in the world. I'm not saying David ranks as the best defender out there but his "mistakes" are blown out of proportion because he didn't fit with the make up of our team identity. We were pragmatic and boring, he is flamboyant and a risk taker, the contrast was stark.

If you put Luiz in that Arsenal team of 2011 he'd be considered a footballing God! You put him into that Barcelona team of the same time and he's a fucking legendary footballer of Beckenbauer proportions.

We are conditioned to Jose style of football, we need to break that mould to start appreciating freer football. 

I think Conte is the perfect coach at the perfect time for David, he will give him structure but not so much as to keep him from expressing himself. Its a beautiful thing....

[Sideshow Luiz 2,310]

The most vulnerable Dave has looked in recent weeks is the Utd match when Zlatan, then Fellaini climbed all over him for a head.  Zlatan, not on target.  Fellaini, over hit cross (IIRC).  Dave would hardly be the first CB to have Zlatan score a header over them.  I think this is actually his best position.  The balance in midfield for us comes from the way we play from the back.  Luiz is like a deep lying playmaker with his passing (can we stop the Bonnucci rumours?) and the L/RCBs carry the ball in to midfield.  It's helped us boss the 3 man midfields we've come up against.  We actually get another player in to midfield, to even the numbers it's just one of the CBs stepping up.  

Conte's team sheet just has Hazard, Kante, Dave printed on it, the rest is blank to be filled in on match day.

[Unionjack 7,531]

2 hours ago, Sideshow Luiz said:

The most vulnerable Dave has looked in recent weeks is the Utd match when Zlatan, then Fellaini climbed all over him for a head.  Zlatan, not on target.  Fellaini, over hit cross (IIRC).  Dave would hardly be the first CB to have Zlatan score a header over them.  I think this is actually his best position.  The balance in midfield for us comes from the way we play from the back.  Luiz is like a deep lying playmaker with his passing (can we stop the Bonnucci rumours?) and the L/RCBs carry the ball in to midfield.  It's helped us boss the 3 man midfields we've come up against.  We actually get another player in to midfield, to even the numbers it's just one of the CBs stepping up.  

Conte's team sheet just has Hazard, Kante, Dave printed on it, the rest is blank to be filled in on match day.

Costa hardly ever starts, 

[coolhead23 1,147]

3 hours ago, Chelsea Legend 11 said:

You can draw the same sort of errors with pretty much every defender in the world. I'm not saying David ranks as the best defender out there but his "mistakes" are blown out of proportion because he didn't fit with the make up of our team identity. We were pragmatic and boring, he is flamboyant and a risk taker, the contrast was stark.

If you put Luiz in that Arsenal team of 2011 he'd be considered a footballing God! You put him into that Barcelona team of the same time and he's a fucking legendary footballer of Beckenbauer proportions.

We are conditioned to Jose style of football, we need to break that mould to start appreciating freer football. 

I think Conte is the perfect coach at the perfect time for David, he will give him structure but not so much as to keep him from expressing himself. Its a beautiful thing....

For me, a top player is one who can quickly recover from his/her mistakes during the game itself ... Luiz gets caught in that and continues in a free fall sometimes. Thats my only criticism about him ... the day some one explains him the meaning of Discipline and he integrates it in his game he has the potential to be among the best (one of the reason I'm really impressed by the way Conte is handling him and hope it continues).

I dont go into assumption of If this then that ... because there are different dynamics to a team. He could had been a hit or may had been a complete waste ... We dont know. 

Not trying to prove you or anyone wrong here, I have always believed that Luiz is a complete player without the error side, he is passionate, full of energy, a team player, versatile in his abilities and a must have character in the team. I do appreciate good football and feel that Luiz does have the potential to really move on the top. Really hope that Luiz and Conte work together on the discipline angle to get the best out of him, 

[Strike 7,489]

I don't know why fans are clamoring for one more defender immediately.

Luiz, Azpilicueta, Zouma, Cahill, Terry with Christensen on loan. I'd wait for the right defender really.