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[Fulham Broadway 17,299]

I want all of you.. to suggest what Israel needs to do.. How to deal with Hamas??

Well there are several concessions that could go a long way toward peace, though I dont expect you to agree.

Israel could give up some of the 262 illegal settlements on Palestinian land. It could release some of the 5283 Palestinians imprisoned without trial. Israel could rebuild some of the 28 000 Palestinian houses it has demolished.

Israel could also adhere to some of the 79 UN resolutions that it has broken. Just doing a few of these things would be human, and go some way to creating peace and appeasing hamas imo.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Ha ha ha...

Right, They started to fire missiles on us, and we need to sit and do nothing.

You can't seriously take this last 'battle' separately and completely out of context like this. We both know who 'started' the whole conflict if you go back and who was living peacefully and who brought in people from all over the world to kick them out of their homes and take their places. But let's forget all that for second and look at the living conditions of these people and what drove them to launch these rockets.

The living conditions for the Palestinians resemble so much the stereotypical conditions of oppressed people living without their freedom that at times I feel it's bordering on funny! You know those bad American action movies or that episode of Kim Possible? Where the hero travels to the future and finds that the evil dictator has taken over the world and everyone is being oppressed by his large and powerful army that monitors and controls everything? It's really funny/tragic how much the living conditions of the Palestinians looks like some footage out of those movies.

They live in an open air prison. Their whole area is surrounded by kilometers and kilometers of high prison walls with sniper towers in them:

They live in grossly over-crowded neighborhoods in below poverty levels (Gaza is one of the highest population density in the world with about 5000 people per squared Km). The Israeli government controls everything in their in lives, from the amount of water, gas and fuel they can consume to when they can and can't have electrical power. But even that, they are not allowed to have peacefully with civilian houses being destroyed on regular basis and it's inhabitants made homeless (over 60,000 demolished houses IIRC) to be replaced by more illegal settlements:

And if that is not enough they are constantly under methodical racist segregation and harassment. They have their number one source of income, olive trees, uprooted regularly by the IDF:

They can be arrested whenever the army likes and for whatever reason or even without one. They can be detained indefinitely and without trail. When they are trialed, they are prosecuted using military law not the Israeli civilian laws. Forget trials and laws, in some mixed areas, Palestinians are even forced to take different roads!

On the other hand, Israeli settlers get away with abusing and beating Palestinians on a regular basis. Every year, tens of Palestinians are assaulted, shot and even killed by Israeli settlers. They are treated worse than animals and no one does anything about it.

And this is just the tip of the iceberg. The atrocities against Palestinians are countless. And they are only getting worse. Every year they are losing more land, losing more of what's left of their basic rights of living. You see, as much as I hate Zionism, I just have to respect the intelligence of how Zionists go about their business. Because you can't erase the people of a whole nation in a single war, and they know that. But over a hundred years you can slowly take their land, slowly decrease their numbers in the country, slowly take away their rights, slowly take away the support they get from the neighboring nations and the empathy they get from foreigners, very slowly dehumanize them with your propaganda until everyone, including yourself, don't believe they are equal humans anymores. And in another hundred years or two they would probably have succeeded in getting rid of all the Palestinians in the country and would most likely have set their target on further expanding their boundaries. From the Nile to the Euphrates, right?

The people of Palestine have two choices and no third: To resist or to simply cease to exist. But, this is not a movie. Unfortunately, the resistance cannot be led by a perfect Platonic hero (or Kim Possible and genetically enhanced rats). It is, and has always been, led by people that far from perfect. But these incredibly corrupt people change and have changed many times, but what your government knows and tries to convince you otherwise, is that the resistance will continue long after Fateh and Hamas as long as there are Palestinians. Because the resistance is an idea and a choice of the people, not only that, it is their only choice.

So, to get back to the current ongoing events, NO, the air strikes on Gaza CANNOT stop the rockets, they simply cannot just like they couldn't in the countless wars and invasions in both Lebanon and Palestine in the past 40-50 years. And your government knows this, but that is not their objective that's just their alibi. Let's put things into perspective a bit (because that always seems to be missing when talking about this conflict):

Just like in the movies, the army enforcing this oppression and these racist norms (can't really call them laws) are ridiculously over-armed with all the state-of-the-art weapons, tanks, warplanes and warships and even nuclear weapons of mass destruction while the resistance has old riffles and weapons which they have themselves developed.Since the start of this last battle, the resistance rockets have caused ZERO Israeli causalities! While the death toll from the Israeli airstrikes has exceeded 100 in less than a week, the vast majority of which are civilians and half of them are women and children. The strikes have been mainly targeted at civilian house with some strikes even aimed at a couple of hospitals, the red crescent (equivalent of red cross), and even the media.

So, again, NO, this attack on Gaza is NOT aimed at stopping the rockets. It's aim is to terrorize the Palestinians a bit more, to destroy a little more Palestinian houses, to kill more Palestinians, to violate a bit more what's left of their rights. This attack is, like every battle before it for the past 70 years, like almost every Zionist action and plan in the past 120 years, it is that tiny little step forward towards a racist Jewish only state in all of the "Promised Land".

THAT is the truth as I see it.

[haranr 485]

Well there are several concessions that could go a long way toward peace, though I dont expect you to agree.

Israel could give up some of the 262 illegal settlements on Palestinian land. It could release some of the 5283 Palestinians imprisoned without trial. Israel could rebuild some of the 28 000 Palestinian houses it has demolished.

Israel could also adhere to some of the 79 UN resolutions that it has broken. Just doing a few of these things would be human, and go some way to creating peace and appeasing hamas imo.

Okay. I agree with some but why should Israel release 5283 who have broken the law? Some of them are very dangerous and Israel in the past have released a lot. Elaborate on the UN resolutions Israel has broken. Tell me why they had broken it and then elaborate on the ones the Palestines had broken... You probably don't know too much about that.

[Stingray 9,441]

I WILL REPEAT: IF ISRAEL WILL BE QUIET GAZA WILL BE QUIET TOO

Watch that movie please: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10153371313967316

If you want to know what Israel needs to do every time Hamas is shooting i will tell you

My opinion is: as long as Hamas IS shooting on Israel we will stop imminently to provide Gaza food electricity and gas. as long as they shooting we will hurt them until they will have to stop, every "Sahid" will get death punishment immediately! They want to fight? they will suffer harder every time! they want quiet? all they need to do is stop shooting. But it's only my opinion that's all and it's doesn't look out government will do it unfortunately .

Jawohl Herr Fuhrer.

[haranr 485]

Against what exactly? And you're calling me the fool. Sorry, I'm not going to dignify your 'reply' with a response any further tbh.

No. I know there is what to protest about I just want to know exactly what you think......

[haranr 485]

Who is terrorist and who isn't depends only on who is telling the story. Same concept as "barbarians" throughout history.

This is not correct! There is a precised definition of a 'terrorist'.

[haranr 485]

Can we plz keep it in english. Its getting too frequent imo.

No problem but it really doesn't get too frequent here ...

[Stingray 9,441]

No problem but it really doesn't get too frequent here ...

Lol you guys were checking your political agenda - even one of the first posts said you needed to be togehter despite being more left or right. Comon. Im not a moron.

תעבור למרכז שמאל.

אני לא מתכוון להתווכח איתך אבל להיות קשור לימין זו טעות.

[Mohammed Seif 1,451]

I WILL REPEAT: IF ISRAEL WILL BE QUIET GAZA WILL BE QUIET TOO

Watch that movie please: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10153371313967316

If you want to know what Israel needs to do every time Hamas is shooting i will tell you

My opinion is: as long as Hamas IS shooting on Israel we will stop imminently to provide Gaza food electricity and gas. as long as they shooting we will hurt them until they will have to stop, every "Sahid" will get death punishment immediately! They want to fight? they will suffer harder every time! they want quiet? all they need to do is stop shooting. But it's only my opinion that's all and it's doesn't look out government will do it unfortunately .

You really ought to learn from Moshe Dayan and Golda Meir. Their stubbornness got them no where. Again and for the THIRD time, leave Hamas out of your equation and try to achieve something real with Fateh and the leader of the Palestinians Abbas. Maybe then Israel will feel safer, people in Gaza's life improve (though that needs A LOT of real efforts and financial support) and Hamas will dissolve. But you are going to ignore what I said about Fateh for the fourth time and focus on Hamas right? lol

[haranr 485]

Like killing his own noble countrymen such as Yitzhak Rabin?

Again, Islam extremists are the worst simply because the 'Quran' encourages 'demolishing' anyone who isn't Muslim. (Except for the Jews actually but that is irreverent for this situation.)

[yuvala 2,167]

I WILL REPEAT: IF ISRAEL WILL BE QUIET GAZA WILL BE QUIET TOO

Watch that movie please: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10153371313967316

If you want to know what Israel needs to do every time Hamas is shooting i will tell you

My opinion is: as long as Hamas IS shooting on Israel we will stop imminently to provide Gaza food electricity and gas. as long as they shooting we will hurt them until they will have to stop, every "Sahid" will get death punishment immediately! They want to fight? they will suffer harder every time! they want quiet? all they need to do is stop shooting. But it's only my opinion that's all and it's doesn't look out government will do it unfortunately .

This kind of thinking will not get us anywhere..

There are innocent people and we cant just "strike them harder" everytime, we're talking about human beings here (even if they support Hamas).

Making life harder for the Palestinians will only cause more resistance, we need to make their life BETTER.

The pronlem is that I really dont think there can ever be peace with Hamas. With the palestinians in general - yes, not the Hamas though..

[Jype 6,398]

[Mohammed Seif 1,451]

Again, Islam extremists are the worst simply because the 'Quran' encourages 'demolishing' anyone who isn't Muslim. (Except for the Jews actually but that is irreverent for this situation.)

Biggest lie ever .

[Stingray 9,441]

Again, Islam extremists are the worst simply because the 'Quran' encourages 'demolishing' anyone who isn't Muslim. (Except for the Jews actually but that is irreverent for this situation.)

Completely untrue. Also untrue in the Talmud or the Christian scriptures. I really dare you to challenge me about The Holy Texts.

You love to mention the holocaust every time don't you?

Sorry to tell you but It's ridiculous thing to do

Actually i really dont. I had family in the Camps. But i do teach psychology and the psychology Hannah Arendt or Primo Levi introduced should show you to way not to do things.

[Mohammed Seif 1,451]

Hamas and Fateh and Jihad are the same for me Hamas is controlling Gaza strip now so i will focus on him.

LOL. If you can't really differentiate between them, then God help you cause all three are different. Not to mention that jihad is not even a group