Politics & Stuff

[Stingray 9,441]

You can't seriously take this last 'battle' separately and completely out of context like this. We both know who 'started' the whole conflict if you go back and who was living peacefully and who brought in people from all over the world to kick them out of their homes and take their places. But let's forget all that for second and look at the living conditions of these people and what drove them to launch these rockets.

The living conditions for the Palestinians resemble so much the stereotypical conditions of oppressed people living without their freedom that at times I feel it's bordering on funny! You know those bad American action movies or that episode of Kim Possible? Where the hero travels to the future and finds that the evil dictator has taken over the world and everyone is being oppressed by his large and powerful army that monitors and controls everything? It's really funny/tragic how much the living conditions of the Palestinians looks like some footage out of those movies.

They live in an open air prison. Their whole area is surrounded by kilometers and kilometers of high prison walls with sniper towers in them:

They live in grossly over-crowded neighborhoods in below poverty levels (Gaza is one of the highest population density in the world with about 5000 people per squared Km). The Israeli government controls everything in their in lives, from the amount of water, gas and fuel they can consume to when they can and can't have electrical power. But even that, they are not allowed to have peacefully with civilian houses being destroyed on regular basis and it's inhabitants made homeless (over 60,000 demolished houses IIRC) to be replaced by more illegal settlements:

And if that is not enough they are constantly under methodical racist segregation and harassment. They have their number one source of income, olive trees, uprooted regularly by the IDF:

They can be arrested whenever the army likes and for whatever reason or even without one. They can be detained indefinitely and without trail. When they are trialed, they are prosecuted using military law not the Israeli civilian laws. Forget trials and laws, in some mixed areas, Palestinians are even forced to take different roads!

On the other hand, Israeli settlers get away with abusing and beating Palestinians on a regular basis. Every year, tens of Palestinians are assaulted, shot and even killed by Israeli settlers. They are treated worse than animals and no one does anything about it.

And this is just the tip of the iceberg. The atrocities against Palestinians are countless. And they are only getting worse. Every year they are losing more land, losing more of what's left of their basic rights of living. You see, as much as I hate Zionism, I just have to respect the intelligence of how Zionists go about their business. Because you can't erase the people of a whole nation in a single war, and they know that. But over a hundred years you can slowly take their land, slowly decrease their numbers in the country, slowly take away their rights, slowly take away the support they get from the neighboring nations and the empathy they get from foreigners, very slowly dehumanize them with your propaganda until everyone, including yourself, don't believe they are equal humans anymores. And in another hundred years or two they would probably have succeeded in getting rid of all the Palestinians in the country and would most likely have set their target on further expanding their boundaries. From the Nile to the Euphrates, right?

The people of Palestine have two choices and no third: To resist or to simply cease to exist. But, this is not a movie. Unfortunately, the resistance cannot be led by a perfect Platonic hero (or Kim Possible and genetically enhanced rats). It is, and has always been, led by people that far from perfect. But these incredibly corrupt people change and have changed many times, but what your government knows and tries to convince you otherwise, is that the resistance will continue long after Fateh and Hamas as long as there are Palestinians. Because the resistance is an idea and a choice of the people, not only that, it is their only choice.

So, to get back to the current ongoing events, NO, the air strikes on Gaza CANNOT stop the rockets, they simply cannot just like they couldn't in the countless wars and invasions in both Lebanon and Palestine in the past 40-50 years. And your government knows this, but that is not their objective that's just their alibi. Let's put things into perspective a bit (because that always seems to be missing when talking about this conflict):

Just like in the movies, the army enforcing this oppression and these racist norms (can't really call them laws) are ridiculously over-armed with all the state-of-the-art weapons, tanks, warplanes and warships and even nuclear weapons of mass destruction while the resistance has old riffles and weapons which they have themselves developed.Since the start of this last battle, the resistance rockets have caused ZERO Israeli causalities! While the death toll from the Israeli airstrikes has exceeded 100 in less than a week, the vast majority of which are civilians and half of them are women and children. The strikes have been mainly targeted at civilian house with some strikes even aimed at a couple of hospitals, the red crescent (equivalent of red cross), and even the media.

So, again, NO, this attack on Gaza is NOT aimed at stopping the rockets. It's aim is to terrorize the Palestinians a bit more, to destroy a little more Palestinian houses, to kill more Palestinians, to violate a bit more what's left of their rights. This attack is, like every battle before it for the past 70 years, like almost every Zionist action and plan in the past 120 years, it is that tiny little step forward towards a racist Jewish only state in all of the "Promised Land".

THAT is the truth as I see it.

Post deserves a full repeat tbh.

Miko Peled - Son of the general. Must see.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

So what was the point of killing gaddafi if there is still war in Libya years later. Smh

International countries just came there and stole oil(that's why most oil nations are in crisis all of a sudden in the past 6 yrs)

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Today is is the Muslim 'Futr Eid'. It celebrated the end of Ramadan. One of the traditions of the Eid is building a playground just for the two days for the children to play for free. Just a few swings and slides and rides that usually are no where near the required level of safety. But kids lineup by the dozens for a turn. This I'd a tradition throughout the Arab world as far as I'm aware and Gaza is no different. The only difference is that, in Gaza, the IOF targeted the 'Eid Park' with an airstrike. 10 children massacred and more than 45 severely injured.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

Who is Justin miller? His verified twitter account @justinjm1 says pple in Netherlands raising flags of ISIS and saying "death to the Jews"

[Fulham Broadway 17,333]

Today is is the Muslim 'Futr Eid'. It celebrated the end of Ramadan. One of the traditions of the Eid is building a playground just for the two days for the children to play for free. Just a few swings and slides and rides that usually are no where near the required level of safety. But kids lineup by the dozens for a turn. This I'd a tradition throughout the Arab world as far as I'm aware and Gaza is no different. The only difference is that, in Gaza, the IOF targeted the 'Eid Park' with an airstrike. 10 children massacred and more than 45 severely injured.

But the Israeli spokesman just said it was palestinian rockets that killed them. So it wasnt hamas hiding missiles then this time.

Fuck me, they lie every time they open their mouths.

[Fulham Broadway 17,333]

A few days ago

Shujayea: A Massacre at Dawn (graphic content)

This is what happens when the United States give state of the art weaponry to a bunch of psycho leaders who then say to their propaganda soaked lackeys 'look, theres a heavily built up civilian area there, do your worst'

http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/specialseries/2014/2014/07/shujayea-massacre-at-dawn-201472621348901563.html

[Stingray 9,441]

Fucking scum, im so outraged! The world will eventually condemn you for this. Genocidical, racist zionist right wing scum. No words for it. The ones on this forum defending: block me because i think you are lowlifes. You just lost all your credits as a human being. Ps: Ahmed Tibi is an Arab Knessed member.

Translation:

Tibi – Ahmed Tibi

I wanted you to know

The next kid to be hurt will be your kid

I hate Tibi

I hate Tibi the terrorist.

Tibi – is dead!

Tibi – is dead!

Tibi – is dead!

Tibi is a terrorist.

Tibi is a terrorist.

Tibi is a terrorist.

They’ll take their papers away.

They’ll take their papers away.

They’ll take their papers away.

Olé, olé, olé-olé-olé

In Gaza there’s no studying

No children are left there,

Olé, olé, olé-olé-olé,

[Three lines, not entirely clear]

Who is getting nervous, I hear?

Zoabi, this here is the Land of Israel

This here is the Land of Israel, Zoabi

This here is the Land of the Jews

I hate you, I do, Zoabi

I hate all the Arabs.

Oh-oh-oh-oh

Gaza is a graveyard

Gaza is a graveyard

Gaza is a graveyard

Gaza is a graveyard

[Alee. 182]

Anyone online right now. Live stream of Gaza being bombed right now: http://www.livestation.com/en/aljazeera-mubasher

There are clearly civilians in that area. Proof:

[Fernando 6,585]

Dude, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. You are simplifying and understating things so much it's like saying WW2 was a slight misunderstanding!

It's not countries taking land from each other, because first of all Israel didn't exist before the 1940s; millions of Jews from all over the world to replace the Palestinians. And second it's not just taking land, it's trying to out wipe an entire people of the map just because they aren't Jewish. You're comparing changes in borders and taking of land from an uninhabited amazon to this:

Millions of Palestinians were thrown out of their homes and country and to this day they still live in camps mostly in poverty waiting to return to their homes. Entire villages were wiped out, thousands of houses cleared of their Palestinian inhabitants to be replaced by Israelis.

The Palestinians have NO CHOICE. Someone is trying to erase them completely off the face of the earth. They either resist or they and all their future generations cease to exist. That simple.

Mere existence for the Palestinians is resistance of the Zionist plans. They don't need to have weapons to be killed by the Israelis. Look up all the methodical assassination of Palestinian poets and artists in the 70s and 80s because they were resisting with art.

And it's much more than just about the land. The Palestinians live in hell each day. I'm not talking about during wars, I'm talking about their typical everyday life. Living controlled and oppressed by the Israelis while being harassed discriminated against.

Read this and tell me what you would do in their places: http://forum.talkchelsea.net/topic/13128-politics-stuff/page-74#entry941551

Okay sorry it took me some time to get back to you, had work and stuff.

Nonetheless good stuff there.

As per Israel didn't existed in 1940's is true. But they did existed in that land centuries ago before they was exile by different empires.

Anyhow, that whole land thing is just a mess.

What matters at this point is what is happening now and obviously people want a stop to it.

Was reading this article in the FT and will highlight some things that I found interesting:

Benjamin Netanyahu, prime minister, hinted Israel might be willing to relax its seven-year-old economic blockade of Gaza under certain conditions.

In a phone call on Sunday, US President Barack Obama told Mr Netanyahu he wanted to see an “immediate, unconditional humanitarian ceasefire”.

He told the Israeli prime minister that one of the objectives of a ceasefire would be to allow “Palestinians in Gaza to lead normal lives” but added that any long-term solution to the conflict included “the disarmament of terrorist groups and the demilitarisation of Gaza”

Earlier in the day, Mr Netanyahu appeared on a number of US Sunday television shows to make the case that Israel was not blocking an end to the conflict. “We have accepted five ceasefires, acted upon them. Hamas has rejected every single one of them,” he told NBC. “We use missiles to protect our people, they use people to protect their missiles.”

Mr Netanyahu earlier told CBS’s “Face the Nation” that “economic and social relief” might be provided for the people of Gaza if Hamas and other militant groups agreed to demilitarise. Aid organisations and political analysts have long argued that social deprivation and restrictions on trade and movement have provided a fertile breeding ground for radical politics.

Israel’s military temporarily interrupted its assault on Gaza for a humanitarian pause on Saturday that allowed Palestinians to return home and retrieve possessions in the hardest-hit areas along the border. Mr Netanyahu’s 10-member security cabinet agreed to extend the humanitarian lull from midnight Saturday for another day.

But Hamas rejected the ceasefire, and resumed firing rockets into Israel overnight, killing an Israeli soldier in a border area in a mortar attack and bringing total Israeli military dead in the operation to 43. Israel then resumed shelling Gaza at about 10am on Sunday. The ceasefire extension offered by Israel excluded the clearing of Gaza’s tunnels.

Later in the day, Gaza’s militant factions – of which Hamas is the biggest – belatedly agreed a 24-hour humanitarian truce to coincide with Eid-al-Fitr, the Muslim holiday that marks the end of Ramadan, but Israel rejected it.

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/a064eeca-159b-11e4-ae2e-00144feabdc0.html#slide0

The tunnels are the main reason for Israel’s ground incursion into Gaza, which was launched on July 17 after a 10-day bombing campaign. The Israeli government accuses Hamas of using the tunnels to launch attacks inside its territory and to store and launch rockets.

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So what I got from the article? The same thing I been saying.

If I'm saying it and the leader of Israel is saying the same thing, but yet you don't believe him because hes a liar then there's a fundamental problem.

Furthermore I find it interesting that the leader said he gave them not once, but 5 chances to ceasefire but Hamas rejected them all.

And now on a Muslim holiday Hamas wanted to do it and Israel didn't consent....their fault on that for not taking those other 5 chances!

But I think the most important thing is this what the leader is asking:

if Hamas and other militant groups agreed to demilitarize

Well that's what I been saying from the beginning. I will not support a nation of terrorist no matter what circumstances you might bring. I don't care about the past, how much land they took and what not.

Terrorism is terrorism.

The Nazi Germany tried to wipe the Jews out and they failed. But did the Jews strike back at Germany? No.

So if Palestine does this, they demilitarize then the world will hold Israel to it's word.

[Amblève. 4,995]

Who is Justin miller? His verified twitter account @justinjm1 says pple in Netherlands raising flags of ISIS and saying "death to the Jews"

There were some idiots shouting "Jude, Jude, feiges Schwein, komm heraus und kämpf allein" and other anti-Semitic paroles during pro-Palestine demos here in Austria. A Jewish person even had to be protected by the police when a mob of pro-Palestine people started coming dangerously closer while franatically asking them if they were Jewish. Dozens of Hamas flags were sighted as well.

Just a sad situation overall. You would have expected, after all the history Austria has tied to anti-Semitism, that things like these would never happen again. What's frightening to say the least is that the Austrian government seems to be afraid of doing anything significant in order to stop this shit since it's mostly coming from the Turkish/Muslim population.

[Fulham Broadway 17,333]

Many tyrants claim to be helping the people whose lives are demolished by their acts of barbarism. Whether European invaders ‘civilising’ Africa by forcing the people into chains, or Tony Blair carpet-bombing Baghdad to save it, death and destruction have often been inflicted by messianic monsters who believe they are killing people for their own good.

Benjamin 'Hitler' Netanjahu has alluded to the indiscriminate bombing and maiming of palestinians as 'good' for them if it 'eradicates hamas'. It is these psychopathic leaders who are the real terrorists and along with the Orwellian double-speak of Israeli Defence Force that are the real problems. They create a fightback by keeping people in Gaza in an open concentration camp. But then thats what they want. It serves their purpose, justifying the $30bn per year of US weapons, and making out Israel is a victim.

The problem they have now, is even with all their media controlled propaganda, most of the people in the world, who take the time to analyse the sitation are aware of the bullshit they spin.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Fernando, I'm out of town, I'll reply when I get home or get my hands on laptop.

On a different note, The Times of Israel leaked this call between Obama and Netanyahu:

Barack Obama: I demand that Israel agrees to an immediate, unilateral ceasefire and halt all offensive activities, in particular airstrikes.

Benjamin Netanyahu: And what will Israel receive in exchange for a ceasefire?

BO: I believe that Hamas will cease its rocket fire — silence will be met with silence.

BN: Hamas broke all five previous ceasefires. It’s a terrorist organization dedicated to the destruction of Israel.

BO: I repeat and expect Israel to stop all its military activities unilaterally. The pictures of destruction in Gaza distance the world from Israel’s position.

BN: Kerry’s proposal was completely unrealistic and gives Hamas military and diplomatic advantages.

BO: Within a week of the end of Israel’s military activities, Qatar and Turkey will begin negotiations with Hamas based on the 2012 understandings, including Israel’s commitment to removing the siege and restrictions on Gaza.

BN: Qatar and Turkey are the biggest supporters of Hamas. It’s impossible to rely on them to be fair mediators.

BO: I trust Qatar and Turkey. Israel is not in the position that it can choose its mediators.

BN: I protest because Hamas can continue to launch rockets and use tunnels for terror attacks –

BO: (interrupting Netanyahu) The ball’s in Israel’s court, and it must end all its military activities.

Very interesting if true.

[Fulham Broadway 17,333]

Listening to Israeli 'spokesmen' , and those ones on facebook all with the same patter, the same scripted propaganda, it seems tragic in two ways. Firstly it is all too reminiscent of how the third reich ' justified' their actions in the 30s,the root cause the same- stupid fucking nationalism. Secondly it is tragic always, when people cant think for themselves.

Meanwhile....Israelis managed to kill 100 Gazans today, women and children, and maim and dismember dozens more. One pic, (I wont post it here) , showed a mother carrying her lifeless toddler. The childs back half of the head was missing, half his head blown away by a sniper.

[couris 232]

Multiculturalism is good, multiculturalism is a strength, multiculturalism is what makes the middle east so peaceful! And multiculturalism will save Britain!!

[KevinAshburner 1,270]

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THE TRUE REASON BEHIND ALL WARS AND THE WAY THE GOVERNMENT IS TREATING US THE PEOPLE OF THE EARTH.

Illuminati Exposed! Putin Supports Zionist Israel, Not the Real Jews!

BY: Dahboo777
VIDEO LENGTH - 15:00
UPLOADED OVER 4 HOURS AGO


Putin: 'I support the struggle of Israel'
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/182754#.U9fTr_ldXVp


Putin confirms readiness to settle Palestinian-Israeli conflict
http://en.itar-tass.com/russia/742002


This war that going on right now is because THE SATANIC ILLUMINATI & 33RD DEGREE FREEMASONS & SKULL AND BONES (322)

Their goal is to END AND KILL ALL OF OUR LIVES AND ALL 100% OF US HUMANS WILL ALL BE DEAD BEFORE
22 MARCH 2021/2022/2023 (DD - 22/MM - 03/YYYY - 2023 which is 223 backwards reversed of 322)


(BOOK of Bereishit/GENESIS 3:22 - THE FALL OF MAN)

Then YaHUaH (YHUH) Aalahayam (ELOHIYM) said, "See, the man has become like one of us, knowing good and evil; and now, he might reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever"


[3:22] Then the LORD God said, "See, the man has become like one of us, knowing good and evil; and now, he might reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever"


And the LORD God said: 'Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil; and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever.'


The True Name of The Creator Father of The Scriptures-YHWH [YAHUWAH]
http://peopleofyahuwah.wordpress.com/2012/05/14/the-true-name-of-the-creator-father-of-the-scriptures-yhwh/

UW in YAHUAH is a double u sound but oo for the sound in ooh-ah or oo-u-ah


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VIDEO LENGTH - 1:36
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Skull and Bones
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skull_and_Bones


Plimpton 322
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plimpton_322


Georgia Guidestones - The Skull and Bones (322) ILLUMINATI Commandments of Controlling Humanity and The World.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones


Tesseract
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesseract

[MrExcalibur100 7,124]

Nice man:

[twobanger 13]

Sure, because there won't be anything called Israel anymore

There was nothing called Israel before 1948. It was just Palestine.

Of course they can't give the land back to the Palestinians, they brought in millions of Jews from around the world, and it's their home too now. They can't be thrown into the sea (although Zionism has tried to do just that with the Palestinians with some success I must say).

The only solution I see is a single fully integrated state with everyone living as equals. The root of the problem is the horrible, horrible, conditions that the Palestinians live in and the daily racist harassment, and I'm only talking about the days of peace.

As long the Palestinians are treated as inferior to the Israelis then there can be no peace.

How do you propose getting there then? I proposed a way (I believe) to get to exactly that, but you found it untenable.

[twobanger 13]

Nice man:

Good grief. If the translation is real that guy is an idiot of the highest order. The last Israeli alive in the C&C bunker would turn the Middle East into a radioactive wasteland.

[Stingray 9,441]

Politicus and idiots can be found at both sides .... See a lot of the former posts. My favorite was the young neonazi Israeli. Go figure.

Unfortunately the humanitarian disaster continues. People would do best to focus on that. Some think having an ethically stance it is a political statement. Be it as it may, the ethically load is on the supporters of these crimes against humanity.

UNRWA commissionair general new official statement:

MULTIPLE DEATHS AND INJURIES AT UNRWA SCHOOL IN BEIT HANOUN, GAZA

Jerusalem

The scenes of carnage and human suffering that we witnessed today at our elementary school in Beit Hanoun were so appalling and intolerable, that it is difficult to find the words to convey adequately my indignation. As has happened so many times in this pitiless conflict, civilians are paying the highest price of the current military escalation. I condemn this callous shelling and the extensive loss of life in the strongest possible terms and call for an immediate investigation to ensure that circumstances and responsibilities are comprehensively and irrefutably established.

At approximately 14:55 today, as hostilities were intensifying, UNRWA’s Beit Hanoun Elementary Co-Ed A and D school compound was struck by explosive projectiles, causing death and injuries to multiple displaced Palestinian civilians who had sought refuge in this UN installation. This school had been designated as an UNRWA Emergency Shelter.

The security situation in the Beit Hanoun area was deteriorating rapidly and over the course of the day UNRWA had been attempting to negotiate with the Israeli Defence Forces a pause in the fighting during which they would guarantee a safe corridor to relocate staff and any displaced persons who chose to evacuate to a more secure location. Approval for that never came to UNRWA. In addition, the school’s coordinates had been formally conveyed to the Israeli authorities on 12 occasions, most recently at 10:56 this morning.

These Palestinians, many of them women and children had come to this school for refuge believing that a UN installation would offer them a higher level of safety and security having been displaced from their homes as a result of the current fighting. That belief was based on the binding commitment of the international community and on the binding obligation of parties to the conflict under international law to respect the inviolability and sanctity of UN premises, and on the many years during which UNRWA has done its utmost to provide them protection.

This is the fourth time in the past four days that an UNRWA school has been struck by explosive projectiles. Today’s tragedy was yet another illustration that no one in Gaza is safe. I call once again on all parties to this conflict to recognize and respect the sanctity, neutrality and inviolability of UN premises. I further call for an immediate cease-fire to end the killing and maiming as well as the devastation and traumas that will mark the population for decades. Enough is enough.

[Fulham Broadway 17,333]

Four schools in four days - it is patently obvious that there is an official Israeli policy to murder women and little children.