Politics & Stuff

[Stingray 9,441]

Can we add a topic that hates jews?

I think this would solve a lot of the derailings.

We can call it " hitler's second coming"

As a jewish person, I dont mind.

Here's my title: "why jews are bad. Or, jews own the world"

Lol. Replace jews with zionism to start with. It saves you the strawman argument and the opportunist to be in the victims corner as an excuse to cover up crimes against humanity and the universal rights of men. Nobody talked about jews. Also, explain how the palestinian deportations and systematic annihiliation of villages and its inhabitants by zionists during decades plus the de facto apartheid regime that trenst others on the territory as inferior beings with less to no rights differs ethically from national socialism.

Not meant to point a finger, but your post just neglects some factual thingies.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

That's where we are getting at.

Even the mods are politically biased. Instead of keeping the peace.

It's really not..

Members have made the distinction between Judaism is Zionism. No-one is being racist or xenophobic here, trying to spin it like that is awful.

[-Kaplan- 410]

Lol. Replace jews with zionism to start with. It saves you the strawman argument and the opportunist to be in the victims corner as an excuse to cover up crimes against humanity and the universal rights of men. Nobody talked about jews. Also, explain how the palestinian deportations and systematic annihiliation of villages and its inhabitants by zionists during decades plus the de facto apartheid regime that trenst others on the territory as inferior beings with less to no rights differs ethically from national socialism.

Not meant to point a finger, but your post just neglects some factual thingies.

You mean how the jews were getting slaughtered while the whole world turned their back?

Why cant a jewish state exist?

[-Kaplan- 410]

It's really not..

Members have made the distinction between Judaism is Zionism. No-one is being racist or xenophobic here, trying to spin it like that is awful.

But using anti-israeli topics to spin forward your argument is.

[Mohammed Seif 1,451]

But using anti-israeli topics to spin forward your argument is.

I don't seriously get the big fuss. No one said anything about Jews, Christians, Muslims, athiests, Hindus or any other religious faith. People are discussing political behavior and acts by different countries. So if I criticize Saudi Arabia that means I hate Muslims? Or if I criticize England or Italy would that mean I hate Christians? People's faith is something between themselves and their creator if they believe in a creator. Actions taking by different countries are subject to criticism.

[-Kaplan- 410]

I don't seriously get the big fuss. No one said anything about Jews, Christians, Muslims, athiests, Hindus or any other religious faith. People are discussing political behavior and acts by different countries. So if I criticize Saudi Arabia that means I hate Muslims? Or if I criticize England or Italy would that mean I hate Christians? People's faith is something between themselves and their creator if they believe in a creator. Actions taking by different countries are subject to criticism.

I agree. But why is everything "Zionist". Zion jews israel. Its bullshit. I think mods need to take this down. Its not a topic to discuss on a forum.

[Mohammed Seif 1,451]

I agree. But why is everything "Zionist". Zion jews israel. Its bullshit. I think mods need to take this down. Its not a topic to discuss on a forum.

Zionism and Judaism are different issues buddy. I think you are mixing things together. Not all Jews are zionists and certainly not every Israeli is a zionist.

[-Kaplan- 410]

Zionism and Judaism are different issues buddy. I think you are mixing things together. Not all Jews are zionists and certainly not every Israeli is a zionist.

Every jew needs a home. End. Im glad you could reason. We just want peace. I HATE Netanyahu. Why is it hard to have a jewish home?

[Peppen 934]

I know blaming religion is done on a daily basis, but God, that is why I prefer and encourage a secular state. Don't mix religion and politics.

No part in this conflict is innoncent. FAR FROM IT. In Denmark though, I don't get the supposed Israel bias. In fact almost everyone tends to be criticising Israel when something happens and a fair amount of political parties and organizations support an independent Palestine.

[Mohammed Seif 1,451]

Every jew needs a home. End. Im glad you could reason. We just want peace. I HATE Netanyahu. Why is it hard to have a jewish home?

Pal, every human needs a home, whether that is a Jew or any other faith or people without faith. That includes Palestinians

[-Kaplan- 410]

Pal, every human needs a home, whether that is a Jew or any other faith or people without faith. That includes Palestinians

You had half a continent.

[Rmpr 8,977]

The thing is, neither of the two sides are correct in this story!

[Mohammed Seif 1,451]

You had half a continent.

Lol, Who is you ? I have the world man, I can settle anywhere. Same as you. You don't have to kill someone to have a home, or kick him out of his place.

[-Kaplan- 410]

Lol, Who is you ? I have the world man, I can settle anywhere. Same as you. You don't have to kill someone to have a home, or kick him out of his place.

You certainly did it for hundreds of years.

But you only remember what you want to.

[-Kaplan- 410]

Lol, Who is you ? I have the world man, I can settle anywhere. Same as you. You don't have to kill someone to have a home, or kick him out of his place.

This is why we all love Islam.

[TorontoChelsea 4,064]

It's really not..

Members have made the distinction between Judaism is Zionism. No-one is being racist or xenophobic here, trying to spin it like that is awful.

I don't like getting into these arguments anymore because I am actually an historian and arguing with people on the internet is painful and for some reason, alone among all conflicts, people think they understand the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. If you ask people about Kurdish/Turkey conflict or say the plight of the people of Western Sahara, most people don't even know the first thing and would be happy to admit as much but for some reason, this conflict turns everyone into immediate experts. Anyway...

Criticizing Israel is definitely not anti-Semitic but many anti-Semites use the cover of Israel to excuse their own bigotry and anyway there is a difference between criticism and virulent loathing. It's similar to the way people criticize Obama. If you want to say he's an ineffectual president or he is weak or something you would say about another President, that's a criticism and perfectly legitimate. if you want to say he's an illegitimate president who aspires to destroy America or other frothing nonsense, you can't tell me that there isn't racism behind that at least in a great many cases. Of course there is. Similarly, if you want to say Israel reacts way too harshly or Israel does the same stupid thing over and over, again, etc...that's criticism, all the spewing hatred about Zionist control over the media, comparing a conflict about land to the Holocaust, and using words that you would never use with any other country doing the same thing, that's not criticism, that is bigotry.

@Mohammed-Your example doesn't work because Saudi Arabia is only one country. if someone only criticized Muslim countries and no other, would you not think (know) they had a bias? I have seen plenty of anti-Muslim bigotry and it is very rarely the "I hate Muslims" kind outside of certain scary circles Instead it is like this. A website will select all the bad things the Muslims in the world have done in one day and put them together. headline, Muslims kill Christians. Page 1: Muslim countries have low level of literacy. Page 2. Why Islam can't be true. Page 3, Muslim levels of sexual assault highest... Etc... There is nothing intrinsically wrong about any of these statement. Is criticizing a religion, a literacy rate, sexual assault, or murder wrong? Of course not but this is modern bigotry. Bigotry is a weird thing. This is how John Terry can say a racist thing and not be a racist and yet people can say non-racist things and be racist.

The conflict is actually fairly simple at it's core and not that difficult to resolve.Neither the Palestinians nor the Israelis fundamentally recognize the others right to exist or attachment to the land. Both think they can drive the other away and both are wrong. It is a political problem that needs a political solution. The worst thing about this, the most frustrating, is the timing. If you had Rabin as Prime Minister of Israel with Abbas as president of Palestine, I think you'd have peace very quickly. It is sad to see extremism winning out and it is very hard to be optimistic about anything. Peace hasn't happened not because it can't but because neither side wants it enough. What will happen now is extremely predictable. Hamas was bombarding Israel, Israel will bomb Gaza, they will probably invade Gaza. They will kill lots of people. Hamas will fire lots of rockets trying to kill lots of people. Eventually, Israel will withdraw and both sides will claim victory even though they both have lost. Nothing but blood and idiocy.

[Mohammed Seif 1,451]

You certainly did it for hundreds of years.

But you only remember what you want to.

This is why we all love Islam.

So now it is about Islam? LOL. Dude, you have no clue what you are talking about, listen to a fellow Jew like Chompsky and Finkelstien (whose both of his parents have been in the concentration camps). Or maybe Jon Stewart if you like things being put in a satirical way.

[-Kaplan- 410]

I just said I was liberal. ... Go think of another excuse to hate jews.