Politics & Stuff

[Peppen 934]

Its the most moral system

That is subjective.

Ye ive always found it odd people called sweeden socialist. When they regulate less than the u.s does and they protect inovation better, and in Swedish culture they don't seem to demonize businessmen like they do in the u.s. Now Sweden they did go through socialism in the 80s but they have reduced the size of government since. Now as for the socilzed medicine and stuff, for me its a moral issue. I just dont feel im entitled to other peoples stuff. I have no right to use goverment(which is force) to than coerse you to pay for my Medicare. You create your wealth you keep it. Now you can voluntarily give some of it away, you do as you choose fit.

Yeah, they have privatized public businesses and school systems, and I don't think that was particularly more efficient or popular, at least what I recall reading. The flaw of capitalism is that you cannot guarantee that practicing your individual rights, won't hurt my individual rights.

[jasonlol 154]

That is subjective.

Yeah, they have privatized public businesses and school systems, and I don't think that was particularly more efficient or popular, at least what I recall reading. The flaw of capitalism is that you cannot guarantee that practicing your individual rights, won't hurt my individual rights.

Im arguing its most moral because it leaves man free to pursue his own values and interests assuming he does not violate rights of others. Now im happy you brought up the last point because im not advocating for anarchy, in fact I despise anarchy. Government is a necessary good and its sole role is the protect the rights of its populus. That means police to protect from criminals, military from forein invaders, and courts to protect from fraudsters.

And the standard for what is a right, is you dont have a right to somebody elses stuff, you have a right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

[Peppen 934]

Im arguing its most moral because it leaves man free to pursue his own values and interests assuming he does not violate rights of others. Now im happy you brought up the last point because im not advocating for anarchy, in fact I despise anarchy. Government is a necessary good and its sole role is the protect the rights of its populus. That means police to protect from criminals, military from forein invaders, and courts to protect from fraudsters.

And the standard for what is a right, is you dont have a right to somebody elses stuff, you have a right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

That is still a subjective observation. There is no correct definition of human rights. Added to that, I might have different definition of what "somebody elses stuff" is. If some rich business owner does nothing than actually supply the means of production, and makes million of dollars of other people's labor, I (!) don't think he is contributing equally to the economy, nor to society. But that is a SUBJECTIVE observation, just like you believe capitalism is the most moral of ideologies. And again, the flaw in capitalism is still that you cannot necessarily guarantee those rights, and need some sort of government to enforce/protect them.

Your video is from the Ayn Rand institute, and while I accept every source or argument, I fucking can't stand Ayn Rand, sorry.

I thin anarchy is interesting in theory, but impossible in practice (at least in what I consider a successful political model).

[Rmpr 8,977]

I dont quite understand what your saying. In a free society you get paid according to how productive you are, if you feel your being underpaid you can find someone who properly values your production better.

Not true at all...

If this was how society worked, professionals like teachers/nurses/policemen would have the biggest salaries by far!

What gives one money is how much revenue he can generate with his job. Which is something a lot of important professions just cant do. A pre-school teacher will never be able to find a job that pays more than 50k/year, no matter how good they are. However, a movie star will get 15mi for one movie because they can generate 500+ if it becomes a hit.

So, that whole idea of yours (and that video) is easily proved wrong!!!

[Mohammed Seif 1,451]

You see buddies both what you are saying is correct. It is VERY subjective. You cannot pick a system over another and make it a universal one. It must sort of mixture between both and how much capitalism vs socialism is being applied again varies from a county to another and a sector/industry to another. Just try to think about other 1st world countries. Some are surely better off with less government intervention, while others require more intervention, possibly to aid a certain sector or solve a social aspect. A very healthy debate, but again due to cultural differences and a variety of human and social needs, is very subjective.

[Peppen 934]

One of the big issues with capitalism in the modern day is the relentless march of efficiency-increasing automation. It takes a higher intelligence to repair an advanced welding robot than it does to weld a car. Technology thus produces greater and greater inequality, as it forces the less-gifted segments of society into unemployment while increasing the productivity of the remaining workforce.

[Mohammed Seif 1,451]

One of the big issues with capitalism in the modern day is the relentless march of efficiency-increasing automation. It takes a higher intelligence to repair an advanced welding robot than it does to weld a car. Technology thus produces greater and greater inequality, as it forces the less-gifted segments of society into unemployment while increasing the productivity of the remaining workforce.

Agree with you but then comes the debate of customers satisfaction, added value of the end product, market demand and saturation and foreign and domestic competition and all of which would benefit the economy and would be ( idealistically speaking) reflected on society and individuals . That is one thing that I hate about economics man. It has a lot of assumptions embedded within it. Not as simple as 1+1=2

[Peppen 934]

Agree with you but then comes the debate of customers satisfaction, added value of the end product, market demand and saturation and foreign and domestic competition and all of which would benefit the economy and would be ( idealistically speaking) reflected on society and individuals . That is one thing that I hate about economics man. It has a lot of assumptions embedded within it. Not as simple as 1+1=2

I agree 100 %, bro. I was merely trying to get a point across that capitalism (even laissez faire, true capitalism) is not as good as people make it out to be. And I would even go as far to say it is impossible to achieve, just like true communism.

It's the economy, stupid. Haha, fuck economics

Shockingly fitting video - ROFL

[SinineUltra 1,170]

Really hope that the situation in Ukraine doesn't spark a war. If any of the sides makes a hasty conclusion or decision, it can quickly become a WW3.

[Mohammed Seif 1,451]

Really hope that the situation in Ukraine doesn't spark a war. If any of the sides makes a hasty conclusion or decision, it can quickly become a WW3.

I hardly doubt that it would get that far. Just the usual political mouth war. Russia is not the Soviet Union, the U.S is already economically hammered, and the EU is facing its own economical conflicts. It is the usual Russia vs USA ego battle mate. Nothing serious ( I think )

[SinineUltra 1,170]

I hardly doubt that it would get that far. Just the usual political mouth war. Russia is not the Soviet Union, the U.S is already economically hammered, and the EU is facing its own economical conflicts. It is the usual Russia vs USA ego battle mate. Nothing serious ( I think )

Ukraine have declared mobilisation according to the media. Baltic states and Poland so far have demanded a meeting on the basis of NATO article 4. Things can potentially become out of hands if any of the sides does something stupid.

[Mohammed Seif 1,451]

Ukraine have declared mobilisation according to the media. Baltic states and Poland so far have demanded a meeting on the basis of NATO article 4. Things can potentially become out of hands if any of the sides does something stupid.

I am no politician, but judging from history I can tell you that the scenarios are very limited,

It is either going ti be the same case as with North Korea, where Russia does what it wants and the U.S and UN condemn and ask for sanctions. Or Russia would back off on some sort of an agreement that maintains Russia's interests.

But no way the U.S would go into war with Russia. Not at the mean time. Remember that China is a force there and it is watching right now. If you follow, the U.S news, there is no way they would be going to war especially that they just ended one in Iraq with a lot of losses and a lot of arguments among the public opinion and media. They can't risk it at all.

Things will unfold as time progresses but remember that sometime the mobilization of forces doesn't necessarily mean war is about to break. It can be only political maneuvering. If a war would break through it will be Russia vs Ukraine. Everyone will then watch an ask for sanctions on Russia.

[SinineUltra 1,170]

I am no politician, but judging from history I can tell you that the scenarios are very limited,

It is either going ti be the same case as with North Korea, where Russia does what it wants and the U.S and UN condemn and ask for sanctions. Or Russia would back off on some sort of an agreement that maintains Russia's interests.

But no way the U.S would go into war with Russia. Not at the mean time. Remember that China is a force there and it is watching right now. If you follow, the U.S news, there is no way they would be going to war especially that they just ended one in Iraq with a lot of losses and a lot of arguments among the public opinion and media. They can't risk it at all.

Things will unfold as time progresses but remember that sometime the mobilization of forces doesn't necessarily mean war is about to break. It can be only political maneuvering. If a war would break through it will be Russia vs Ukraine. Everyone will then watch an ask for sanctions on Russia.

All in all I agree and really hope it will turn out to be a political farce. Though, if a war breaks out between Russia and Ukraine, I can't see NATO, USA, EU not interfering, because Ukraine was given a guarantee by NATO/USA back in the days taht if they give up the nuclear warheads from the Soviet era, their sovereignty will be protected. Things are complicated at the moment due to a contract that gave Russian Federation the right to lease the land on Chrime peninsula, though, if the armed forces try to overrun a Ukrainian military base or advance to the mainland, that can spark a chain reaction of events and interference from the outside world. Ukraine is a vast country and the west doesn't want it to be ruled by Russia.

[Mohammed Seif 1,451]

All in all I agree and really hope it will turn out to be a political farce. Though, if a war breaks out between Russia and Ukraine, I can't see NATO, USA, EU not interfering, because Ukraine was given a guarantee by NATO/USA back in the days taht if they give up the nuclear warheads from the Soviet era, their sovereignty will be protected. Things are complicated at the moment due to a contract that gave Russian Federation the right to lease the land on Chrime peninsula, though, if the armed forces try to overrun a Ukrainian military base or advance to the mainland, that can spark a chain reaction of events and interference from the outside world. Ukraine is a vast country and the west doesn't want it to be ruled by Russia.

I completely understand. But with Europe in an economical bottle neck and the Euro is facing critical challenges more than ever, the total political failure of the Iraq/Afghanistan war and major U.S deficit, the hostile situation of Pakistan cause of the U.S drones, the edgy situation of Iran and great instability that is increasing in Turkey, you think defending Ukraine will be a simple decision or an automatic response from NATO, USA and EU?

It is not going to be that simple mate.

[Fernando 6,453]

Can someone explain to me what solution was accomplished with Iran when they will still continue with their nuclear reactors?

[cosmicway 1,323]

There is an ethnic division in Ukraine, like in Jugoslavia and maybe more bitter.

Crimeans are Russians really. It was only in 1954 that Krustchev named it as Ukrainian territory (like Tito he did n't care about such things - all the Soviet territories belonged to him).

Making a revolution over a commerce deal with the EU sounds crazy to me. What their now exiled president was doing some years ago, spraying acid over his opponent's face is also crazy.

I don't sympathize at all with either of the two Ukrainian sides.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

The crimea parliament want to vote for their right to join russia. Massive blow to United States that.

Russia have a right to protect their people after rumors of attacks on russian people in ukraine, I don't approve on how they are doing it but.... USA will definitely enter any country that is a threat to their people IMO.

[SinineUltra 1,170]

The crimea parliament want to vote for their right to join russia. Massive blow to United States that.

Russia have a right to protect their people after rumors of attacks on russian people in ukraine, I don't approve on how they are doing it but.... USA will definitely enter any country that is a threat to their people IMO.

Suggest you to read up on the history of Crimea. Don't blindly believe what is spoon fed to you by Russian media - the direct participant in this crisis. A little over 50% of Crimea is russians, other ethnic minorities are ukrainians and tatars. Russians deported over 200 000 people back in the day from the same peninsula to make it more 'russian minded', 80% were tatars. Hope you can now grasp the complexity of this issue a little bit better now. Not every russian wants a military intervention, let alone being united with Russian Federation. What they want is more autonomy. Those rally groups and protestants are spearheaded by the same people in every hotspot, weather it be in Harkhov, Sevastopol, Odessa or Donetsk.

Can you give me direct examples of russians being discriminated on the soil of sovereign country of Ukraine so it would be justified for the current actions? Don't quote RT please.