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[manpe 10,861]

1 hour ago, Fernando said:

So if this is the case then why make it legal when the founding fathers put the country into motion? 

Tell me what rationale the founding fathers had to make this allowable? 

I hope you don't say that the people was "different" in that time, because then that would validate what I just said before....

You mean the right to bear arms? Times were different, firearms weren't so lethal and powerful. The country was new, based on colonization, taken with violence and slavery producing many angry people (proven by the shortly followed civil war), people needed to protect themselves from tumultuous times. Simply put times were very different from today. Clinging to centuries old laws isn't the wisest thing as time has shown. Regular folk should be allowed to carry pistols (not rifles) in a strict and controlled manner, not like in the States. What is happening in the USA concerning guns is extreme, it's never good.

[Fernando 6,585]

3 minutes ago, manpe said:

You mean the right to bear arms? Times were different, firearms weren't so lethal and powerful. The country was new, based on colonization, taken with violence and slavery producing many angry people (proven by the shortly followed civil war), people needed to protect themselves from tumultuous times. Simply put times were very different from today. Clinging to centuries old laws isn't the wisest thing as time has shown. Regular folk should be allowed to carry pistols (not rifles) in a strict and controlled manner, not like in the States. What is happening in the USA concerning guns is extreme, it's never good.

Why is times different?

Because of people?

Well that's what I said at the beginning.....

[manpe 10,861]

3 minutes ago, Fernando said:

Why is times different?

Because of people?

Well that's what I said at the beginning.....

Why? Time goes on, world changes. Doesn't really matter why it happens, fact is the world evolves over years and centuries. Yes, people are also different.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

I wonder why most of the gun violence where so much lives are lost in the USA happens in states like Orlando and San Beradino where they have strict gun control laws....... 

[kmk108 1,186]

2 hours ago, Fernando said:

So if this is the case then why make it legal when the founding fathers put the country into motion? 

Tell me what rationale the founding fathers had to make this allowable? 

I hope you don't say that the people was "different" in that time, because then that would validate what I just said before....

Someone once told me that it was put into the Bill of Rights to allow states to have militias. Back when the country was created, the armies that fought in the Revolutionary War were disbanded, because the founders did not trust having a standing army in a new country, fearing they could easily seize power. Instead, they wrote the second amendment to give the states power of militias made up of civilians in order to fight if need be. In order to have militias, they need weapons so it was written that they have the right to bear arms so that no government entity could effectively disarm these militias. Hence: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

It's impossible to know what James Madison intended in today's current use. Language has changed, so what was meant back then may not be what it means today. Would he have known that the United States would be the military force that it is today, effectively taking away the need for a militia? Would he think that armed civilians are necessary to "keep the government in line?" We don't know, and we'll never know.

What I do know is that the most contentious phrase in the second amendment is "shall not be infringed." What does that mean? Should anyone and everyone be allowed to purchase a gun? That's not the case as felons aren't allowed to have guns. So, if it's not a right given to every citizen of the US, is it then a privilege, not a "god given right" that so many supporters say it is? If it's a god given right, shouldn't god be the only one to take away that right, not the US government?

If only I had a time machine...

[Fulham Broadway 17,306]

4 hours ago, Fernando said:

So if this is the case then why make it legal when the founding fathers put the country into motion? 

Tell me what rationale the founding fathers had to make this allowable? 

I hope you don't say that the people was "different" in that time, because then that would validate what I just said before....

I think as @manpe has said it was a completely different era. Guns in their infancy, an unknown land, and a 'frontier' mentality. You claimed yer land, and set up a stockade protected by yer Smith n Wesson or a Winchester if you owned one.

To allow state of the art machines that are purely designed to kill people to an overcrowded populace in tense cities, within dog eat dog capitalism is fucking madness.....unless youre an arms dealer or have stocks and shares in weaponry. I think you know this really.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

22 hours ago, Fulham Broadway said:

I think as @manpe has said it was a completely different era. Guns in their infancy, an unknown land, and a 'frontier' mentality. You claimed yer land, and set up a stockade protected by yer Smith n Wesson or a Winchester if you owned one.

To allow state of the art machines that are purely designed to kill people to an overcrowded populace in tense cities, within dog eat dog capitalism is fucking madness.....unless youre an arms dealer or have stocks and shares in weaponry. I think you know this really.

Such an important referendum is coming up tomorrow and no one here is talking about it ...... Which will you vote, in or out??????

I've stopped my forex since this week because of this, waiting for the vote..... 

[Fulham Broadway 17,306]

38 minutes ago, kellzfresh said:

Such an important referendum is coming up tomorrow and no one here is talking about it ...... Which will you vote, in or out??????

I've stopped my forex since this week because of this, waiting for the vote..... 

True, its massive, implications bigger than a general election. I made a long rant/post earlier. see above.

How bout you in ? Out? shake it all about ?

[kellzfresh 7,229]

18 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

True, its massive, implications bigger than a general election. I made a long rant/post earlier. see above.

How bout you in ? Out? shake it all about ?

I'm in totally. But EU has to give Britain more say on what happens especially around it's borders. In is also good for my forex trading  

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Okay, this is hilarious: How we would report the EU referendum if it were happening in the middle east  

[Fulham Broadway 17,306]

Todays Front pages

 

http://imgur.com/a/Ks6Kc

[Fernando 6,585]

It's obvious they staying. 

They just wanted to scare people so they can get better voice in the organization. 

[CHOULO19 24,332]

19 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Todays Front pages

 

http://imgur.com/a/Ks6Kc

 

Well as long they are keeping away from scare tactics... 

[Parky 739]

Imagine the possibilities. The UK decide to leave the EU thus starting a chain reaction of exodus from the EU, destroying the dream of one unified Europe. Nationalism has spurred on Scotland, Wales and N. Ireland to become their own republics. Trump becomes the next president of the United States and his strong imperialist ideas are causing friction around the world. Europe is now unstable with right wing parties taking power spreading their nationalist and anti immigration ideas all around Europe. Russia seeks to take advantage of Europe's instability trying to exert more influence around its European neighbours with aggression and subversion. Trump and Putin are buoyed by a strong wave of nationalism in their homelands which gives them the momentum in accelerating their aggressive imperialistic foreign policies and military strategies. The world is now very unstable with WW3 not unlikely.

Ok its far fetched but it could make a very interesting drama series for Netflix.

 

 

 

 

 

[Fulham Broadway 17,306]

7 hours ago, Fernando said:

It's obvious they staying. 

They just wanted to scare people so they can get better voice in the organization. 

It was more of an internal Tory factor.

Cameron, to appease potential mainly backbench MPs being potential defectors to UKIP, indulged the dissenters with the promise of a Referendum