Lucas Piazón

[CHOULO19 24,332]

I thought he would chest that clear cut chance down and fire it but he chose a weak header

Brilliant run though. This is exactly what I meant when I said I love his movement when he is central.

[Leif 6,006]

People can criticize Torres for being shit (check his goals/assists stats for this season though, eh?) but the moment I even hint that a different player is nowhere near good enough (which he's not. suck my big hairy toe) people get butt-hurt? Double standards? Or...

[themightyblue 443]

Has had some nice link up play with Isco

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Yeah not mocking at all...

He got an assist, which I stated. I mocked (if you could even call it that, but I wouldn't) Athletic Bilbao if anything for being crap this season. Then added the final comment before the inevitable (not so much now) comments about him being our future by delusional people who think football is such a simple thing where flair and being Brazilian means you're the next big thing. The final comment on my original post could be considered sarcasm aimed at fans, not mocking of Piazon. Now if we're to take sarcasm away from the world, won't it be a bit of a dull place?

If you two don't mind, we are trying to discuss Lucas' performance here. Please use PMs if you wish to continue this pointless argument.

[Leif 6,006]

I guess I'll post it then.

Surprised no-one's jizzed or even noticed the fact he's made the 2nd-most tackles in his team.

[Leif 6,006]

If you two don't mind, we are trying to discuss Lucas' performance here. Please use PMs if you wish to continue this pointless argument.

I'm discussing Lucas Piazon. This is the Lucas Piazon topic. Other people seem to be discussing in-game moments though which surely should be in the La Liga section in "Football Banter", no?

[themightyblue 443]

People can criticize Torres for being shit (check his goals/assists stats for this season though, eh?) but the moment I even hint that a different player is nowhere near good enough (which he's not. suck my big hairy toe) people get butt-hurt? Double standards? Or...

Torres has been shit for two years and we paid 50m for him. We bought piazon a year ago and he's progressed to a level where he's getting his first start for one of the best teams in la liga and has probably been the best player on the pitch so far. Yet you still continue with your agenda and mock him. When a player has a good game they should get praised, especially on a first start

[themightyblue 443]

Only criticism is that he probably should have stuck at least one of those chances away

[Leif 6,006]

Torres has been shit for two years and we paid 50m for him. We bought piazon a year ago and he's progressed to a level where he's getting his first start for one of the best teams in la liga and has probably been the best player on the pitch so far. Yet you still continue with your agenda and mock him. When a player has a good game they should get praised, especially on a first start

Well without him we wouldn't have won the CL final (got the winning corner). Ensured we went through vs. Barcelona with that final goal. Has created and scored loads this season. It's nothing to do with fees. He doesn't control how much he cost the club, and neither do any of the fans. Torres and Piazon should both be treated equally as if they were both free, with any adversity caused by transfer fees aimed at the board who actually paid the fee; not the player. Piazon hasn't progressed in my mind, really. He was ready for first time football when we bought him and was on the brink of making the full Sao Paulo team but once again with youth, we just put him into our lower ranks to bide his time. It should also be noted that while sure, it could be considered an achievement to start for one of the best teams (of the season, and that's all) once in La Liga, that it's probably down to the fact Pellegrini is juggling formations etc. and using him as a stop-gap until the next big game or Champions League fixture. I've already stated I haven't mocked him once. I've mocked the mindset that he's magically good enough after showing very little throughout his career (thus far) to suggest he's 'the next big thing' or good enough for the current European Champions. Fact is, it shocked most people that he started today. That should say a lot really.

[Jype 6,398]

Piazon's won Malaga a bunch of freekicks, Athletic players can't dispossess him without fouling. Great chemistry between him and Isco, I suppose that's what you get when you train with the likes of Mata and Oscar.

Hope Pellegrini is impressed too and will keep playing him, maybe even in the Champions League on Tuesday.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Piazon off on the 80th minute. Excellent game by Lucas.

[Bir_CFC 3,455]

Well well well I didn't expect this kind of performance from Lucas. I thought this loan was wayy too aggressive and he'd get hardly any chance at all but not only did he get a start he's performed very well. Very impressed.

Don't want to be too critical but he should have got one goal at least, but still very impressed with his dribbling, link-up play and work-rate.

[Santiago. 1,500]

Bilbao have indeed been so poor. They play with so much freedom which hurts them alot especially with their defensive weakness.

[The only place to be 11,313]

And to think some people thought this loan move was 'baffling'.

Starting a game and getting 80 minutes is great for his development and apparently he's done enough to get another chance soon. By my count that's EIGHT promising youngsters out on great loans, which is remarkable work by the board.

[themightyblue 443]

Well without him we wouldn't have won the CL final (got the winning corner). Ensured we went through vs. Barcelona with that final goal. Has created and scored loads this season. It's nothing to do with fees. He doesn't control how much he cost the club, and neither do any of the fans. Torres and Piazon should both be treated equally as if they were both free, with any adversity caused by transfer fees aimed at the board who actually paid the fee; not the player. Piazon hasn't progressed in my mind, really. He was ready for first time football when we bought him and was on the brink of making the full Sao Paulo team but once again with youth, we just put him into our lower ranks to bide his time. It should also be noted that while sure, it could be considered an achievement to start for one of the best teams (of the season, and that's all) once in La Liga, that it's probably down to the fact Pellegrini is juggling formations etc. and using him as a stop-gap until the next big game or Champions League fixture. I've already stated I haven't mocked him once. I've mocked the mindset that he's magically good enough after showing very little throughout his career (thus far) to suggest he's 'the next big thing' or good enough for the current European Champions. Fact is, it shocked most people that he started today. That should say a lot really.

Oh god don't get me started on the whole Torres winning a corner thing. You really wan to debate that then PM me. And no they shouldn't be treated equally! Torres has been playing like shot for two years and this is piazon first start against a decent team at a competitive level. If piazon was an experienced pro then it'd be a different story, but he's a youngster coming to grips of playing football in Europe at a competitive level. Not a hard concept to grasp really. The fact you don't he's progressed is your opinion but considering he came in January last year, played a big part in the youth cup, won the young player of the year award, moved to the first team and is now on loan at one of the best clubs is La liga shows massive progression. The fact is the boy has a lot of talent and with the right guidance he could become a star. This was similar of players like kakuta though and so it is hard to tell how far he will get with talent, but for me the early signs have been great.

Rather than mock the fans and Lucas just get behind him and appreciate the good work he's done/ is doing