Just how good is David Luiz?

[Tomo 21,751]

It fucking annoys me how David Luiz is reckless and a accident waiting to happen but Vidic does the same as Luiz but 10 times worse yet he gets widely regarded as the best defender in the world, its pathetic.

Luiz may have been a tad fortunate to stay on the pitch one or two times but if ref's had balls Vidic would be off 90% of the time, Vidic has given away just the same amount of pens as Luiz in the same time period. Luiz still has class about him, Vidic's brand of defending is kicking players into thin air, tugging shirts, grabbing hold of players like he is about to bone the shit out of them and handball's. Yes he has made a few mistakes but this is his first half season in the league this is Vidic's 5th yet he still get's exposed more times than the Manc loving media and every one whitewashed by hi brand of defending would have you believe.

Luiz gets slated for one mistake at Old Trafford which was not solely his fault, yet wasn't Vidic the one that got skinned silly by Yaya Toure in the FA Cup semi and Eto'o in the CL final 2 years before that? yet no one says anything about that. As for him not playing centre back in a big game? im sorry but did you see the United and City home games? yes he may have been fortunate to stay on against United but i can't remember any clear cut opening's either side created and that was down to Luiz. Also in the Liverpool match although it was only 20 minutes did Liverpool get through us with Luiz on the pitch?

Can i also say our most static performances last season came when Luiz was not playing, is it a coinsidence that we looked lively with him in the PL then static even against Copenhagen without him? Also when Carlo scapegoated him at OT (which even as a Carlo fan found that disgracefull) he was dropped then we produced argubally our 2 most dire perfomances of even last season? again it cant be a coinsidence.

As i said in the OP there is no 2 ways about it without him in the United and City home games, both teams would have created more chances and i highly doubt we would have broke either side down.

Also may i add the made the most interceptions in the whole league last season and he only played half a season, don't let a couple of rash mistakes (the same rash shit gets Vidic and Carragher branded world beaters) he is a class CENTRE HALF who is only going to get better.

[steve5221 91]

Not sure why Vidic keeps getting mentioned, lets not waste our energy on that wanker.....No one is saying he is not a great player and we are thankful and lucky to have him at Chelsea....A good discussion point however is Centre back or not????

[Kostas 1,468]

I don't think I agree with the opinion that Luiz makes up for what he lacks as a CB with his offensive skills.

Despite his rashness, a few careless fouls and the rare concentration lapse I think he is an excellent defender and could hold his own in a team even without considering what he offers up-front.

[lentherussian 86]

I think he just needs to learn our game a bit. He has so much talent as a centre back so why not just let him learn the game there. He played 12 times i think for us last season, won player of the month in that time too. Made a mistake against man utd in the first few minutes but so what thats football and as a team we were all over the place at that stage anyway. Bit too soon to start saying hes a liability IMO. He reads the game well and makes hard things look easy, is vital for our distrubution and makes things happen when were struggling like the other night and man utd last season. He might make a mistake against man utd sunday but thats life and this seasons main aim is rebuilding and changing styles.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

You've really downplayed Vidic's abilities there. Most centre halves are quite dirty, even JT isn't innocent. The only reason David Luiz's errors are highlighted more is because he doesn't play that often, so it doesn't give many people a chance to see more positives. That will change as the season goes along.

Vidic is one of the best defenders in the league imo.

[Sheva. 5,373]

He is meant to be a defender, he should be judged on his defensive qualities first, rather than what he can do attacking wise

[Tomo 21,751]

You've really downplayed Vidic's abilities there. Most centre halves are quite dirty, even JT isn't innocent. The only reason David Luiz's errors are highlighted more is because he doesn't play that often, so it doesn't give many people a chance to see more positives. That will change as the season goes along.

Vidic is one of the best defenders in the league imo.

Im not saying he aint good but it annoys me when no body seems to mention the silly foul's and penalty's he gives away yet when Luiz makes as much as one mistake he gets villified. Not saying he aint good but he imo he is not this completely solid, nothing gets past him defender the rags like to believe he is, put it this way i would much rather he have been playing then Ferdinand sunday, Rio makes defending look like a piece of piss.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

Im not saying he aint good but it annoys me when no body seems to mention the silly foul's and penalty's he gives away yet when Luiz makes as much as one mistake he gets villified. Not saying he aint good but he imo he is not this completely solid, nothing gets past him defender the rags like to believe he is, put it this way i would much rather he have been playing then Ferdinand sunday, Rio makes defending look like a piece of piss.

I don't think that's true.

Like I said, it's because Vidic does a lot more positive than negative which is why it seems that way. However I've seen many times on MOTD & SS, his negatives being scrutinized. Especially with that handball last season v. Arsenal or whoever it was.

The only reason David Luiz's mistakes are more noted on is, because he's knew. If Phil Jones made similar ones, they wouldn't go unnoticed either. For many, the first impression of David Luiz (for most media) was his - lucky - missed red card, which then punished United further with that goal.

[blue out west 27]

Seriously guys do you really expect our players to be held to the same standard as man u's? As long as the premiership exists, fergie's boys are going to get the most favouritism of any club around in the country and thats just fact.

[francozola 2,040]

Yes his positioning and movement was very poor for Chicarito's goal BUT you have to fault the midfielders just as much for not keeping their concentration in the first bloody minute and allowing Giggs and Park that much space

[Peace. 4,352]

Yes his positioning and movement was very poor for Chicarito's goal BUT you have to fault the midfielders just as much for not keeping their concentration in the first bloody minute and allowing Giggs and Park that much space

Plus, there was a misunderstood between Luiz and Terry. Terry seemed to play the off-side while Luiz not. Luiz has been turned into the scapegoat for this goal just because it did happen that he was the nearest man of the goalscorer.

[Randall 315]

I said it before we signed him and I'll say it again, one day he will one of the top 3 if not the best centre back in the world.

[Henrique 9,133]

In past seasons Terry as making huge mistatakes almost every game. Alex was more solid than Terry in 08/09 and 09/10 season and he keeps as an untouchable, despite his lack of goals and the fact that he is now too slow for the game in the high level.

Ivanovic + Luiz or Luiz + Alex should be our main defence.

[xPetrCechx 13,570]

How Good? Very good!

and very funny....

[Waterfall 893]

Yes, he is going to give away the odd penalty. Yes, he will give away silly freekicks. He is definitely not what you would call a solid English CB and will never be. But what he does guarantee you is that with him in the side you are more likely to win than lose a game. His energy, passion and forward forays are something that is absolutely needed in a team these days. That one extra man all of sudden during open play in the final third can make all the difference.

I had rather have him in my first team as a CB than as a DM.

I feel like he's very much capable of winning you the toughest games and unfortunately losing you the easiest.

[warnie_666 1,081]

Great going forward but has to work alot on defending. He has played 12 games for us since he came and he should have been sent off twice apart from conceding three penalties and a big mistake at OT and stoke

These are his failures in defense in only his 12 games for us. Hence they are being highlighted.

Yes he has scored but like Torres is not bought to provide assists Luiz is not bought to score.

[zolayes 14,489]

give him time ,,he is 23 ,,very young for a cb ..be patient he could become phenomenal

[manpe 10,861]

give him time ,,he is 23 ,,very young for a cb ..be patient he could become phenomenal

he's 24

[zolayes 14,489]

he's 24

in that case ignore my post ...he is much too old to improve

[manpe 10,861]

in that case ignore my post ...he is much too old to improve

why mock? i merely corrected a factual mistake