Juan Mata

[Spike 12,049]

Apparently not. not on this forum anyway. ironically though, you can show deep admiration and support for Mourinho and other squad players without been labelled anything.

Well I for one am not going to abandon a player I admire so quickly. Some people are fickle and that's fine, it's human nature to be fickle sometimes. But it's also human nature to be stubborn and I am stubborn in my admiration of Mata.

He has had a bad season sure, but I know I don't know the full story of what happens at Cobham and behind the scenes. This can't be the end of Mata, he was far too amazing for the past two years to suddenly be this poor. Surely this has to be only temporary?

[The only place to be 11,313]

The 4-3-3 think is an assumption, from nowhere almost. Jose love this 4-2-3-1 and thats the formation he build on for the whole season. Why realese a player who is important for our ability to play that formation all the time?

And again, you are not talking about the possibility of an injury for one of those AM's,

Easy? i havent talked about easy games.. im sure Mata can play in games that arent 'Easy' for us.

Well we have played 433 this season so if we were to suffer 2 injuries to the 4 remaining AMs, we could play with just 2 wingers potentially.

[Starman60 1,343]

Nobody on here is doubting Mata's ability. We all know that he is a star player, but he just doesn't fit the system we are playing at present, and as we all can see, this system is starting to pay dividends for us.So let him leave, it's just business. If we all had to choose between Mata and Mourinho who would you keep? Mourinho for me, no debate!!

So if the Boss decides to sell. him, then I have complete faith in his decision

[Jase 43,479]

I don't know if there are any easy games though.

I actually think that Schurrle might be ahead of Mata in the pecking order too. Against Southampton Hazard played in the middle ahead of Mata, with Schurrle on the left.

It's possible he's our 5th choice AM right now, ignoring our ability to play 433 especially with Matic added to the squad and Lamps fit again. That means we have 4 players for 2 positions potentially.

Would say it's only 3 players for 2 positions since Mourinho wouldn't want Oscar to be "tracking full backs" out wide...unless that is of course, we throw Ramires on the right which would be just (whoever brought up that idea of playing him at RW in the first place should be crucified!). And if we play 4-3-3, where does Oscar fit in though?

[Pizy 18,852]

I just can't understand why we would even consider selling him there. I wouldn't care if they were in 15th I wouldn't sell him there. You'd just have to assume there'd be someone coming in to replace him immediately or the supporters would go ballistic, me included.

Giving Manchester United our best player. Just think about how insane that sounds.

[nadavTKL 1,787]

Well we have played 433 this season so if we were to suffer 2 injuries to the 4 remaining AMs, we could play with just 2 wingers potentially.

But why would you do that when it could cost on the performance of the team?

Jose started the season with 6 AM's, thats the number of AM's he thought was right for this team, he knew its an important area for us and we need fresh players in there (his words when we got Willian). Do you realy think now 4 Am's is alright?

[Special Juan 28,097]

I agree that he'll leave whether it's January or in the summer but if he does stay here till the summer then I'd prefer him to go abroad maybe PSG or Atletico.

Still feel Jose wants Rooney badly, he's just his type of player.

Falcao and Mata possible swap with cash is another possibility but all depends. Either way we need a top class striker come the summer.

[Korea 734]

I just can't understand why we would even consider selling him there. I wouldn't care if they were in 15th I wouldn't sell him there. You'd just have to assume there'd be someone coming in to replace him immediately or the supporters would go ballistic, me included.

Giving Manchester United our best player. Just think about how insane that sounds.

The thing is if United make a mistake in the transfer market, they dont have the funds to erase it out completely like Chelsea, Madrid, Barca, etc.

To me, buying Mata is a commitment similar to what Chelsea made for Torres when they purchased him. Regardless of his form/play style, Torres was always going to play/start because of his fee. Same thing if Mata goes to United, they will force Moyes to play Mata somehow, even if he doesnt fit...

So, if it doesnt work, than in the long term it really screws them up and they wont spend/acquire the other pieces they actually need.

[The only place to be 11,313]

Would say it's only 3 players for 2 positions since Mourinho wouldn't want Oscar to be "tracking full backs" out wide...unless that is of course, we throw Ramires on the right which would be just (whoever brought up that idea of playing him at RW in the first place should be crucified!). And if we play 4-3-3, where does Oscar fit in though?

Against West Ham he sorta played on the right, with Rami covering him too.

But why would you do that when it could cost on the performance of the team?

It doesn't seem to when we've used it. It sounds incredibly harsh but if we lose two of Hazard, Willian, Oscar or Schurrle to injury, we're in some shit with or without Mata.

[Mufassir08 2,400]

Still feel Jose wants Rooney badly, he's just his type of player.

Falcao and Mata possible swap with cash is another possibility but all depends. Either way we need a top class striker come the summer.

My favourite pick for striker is Diego Costa.

[Pizy 18,852]

The thing is if United make a mistake in the transfer market, they dont have the funds to erase it out completely like Chelsea, Madrid, Barca, etc.

To me, buying Mata is a commitment similar to what Chelsea made for Torres when they purchased him. Regardless of his form, Torres was always going to play/start because of his fee. Same thing if Mata goes to United, they will force Moyes to play Mata somehow... So, if it doesnt work, than in the long term it really screws them up and they wont spend/acquire the other pieces they actually need.

But if it does work they have a world class player who's only 25 that would be playing against us and helping United potentially win trophies for years to come.

That alone is more than reason enough to never sell him there. It would be worse than the RvP sale in my opinion. He is aging and super injury prone as has been proven once more this season. We'd be giving them a young player who never gets injured and likely isn't even in the prime of his career yet and is already world class.

[Jase 43,479]

Against West Ham he sorta played on the right, with Rami covering him too.

That was against a rubbish side like West Ham. What about against the teams better than West Ham then?

[laura90 556]

Mata to Man Utd. Yeah right.

Like Moyes would know what to do with attacking midfielder when he sees one... Where he would play him in his 442 system. On the wing?

In the summer Rooney will decide where to go. Could we even sign him these days? Is he injured?

About transfer.. my version.

United are at a low, share prices falling, team tumbling in the league, difficult fixtures ahead. . The fans are getting pretty disgruntled with the 'chosen one'.

Club thinks, well lets link ourselves with or maybe even faux bid for some of players that will get them giddy again.. Gundogan, Mata, Cavani, and now Dante ?

According to many 'close sources' United are very close. Just as they were with Fabregas, Thiago and others in the summer.

For all the poeople excited about this Rooney- Mata swap deal in this transfer window, you may find this page usefull...

http://www.redcafe.net/threads/the-beginners-guide-to-the-transfer-window.382842/

[Special Juan 28,097]

My favourite pick for striker is Diego Costa.

Yeah and him. Lots of possibilities here but the one thing is we must make sure it's the right choice. Jose will see to that.

[Duppy Conqueror 1,526]

Be a sad day when Juan leaves but seems inevitable at this point.

great player but a manager should always play who fits in with what he wants to do.still hoping he can somehow win back a place in our plans but if he's gonna leave hope it's abroad to a team we aren't too much of a rival with.