Juan Mata

[Rmpr 8,977]

How the hell do you make a bid through a third party? Why not bid directly? What the.......!?!?!?

Maybe they think we wouldn't want to deal directly with a rival!

Not that I think this would be the case, but it is very common in places like Italy, Spain and Brazil when big rival clubs want to sign players for one another.

Basically to avoid fights and what not...

[Toli 977]

boys relax. we'll get salah probably

tomorrow medical according to Telegraph.

[didierforever 7,349]

It's not Mourinho FC either, but some people like to act as if it is.

oh dint get the memo? nothing that mou does is wrong. what mou says and does and decides should be taken as the word of god.

[MetsajCFC 1,255]

1. Juan was always going to leave because he never fit Jose's system. If it weren't now then in the summer. Hence we were always going to need to replace him in the summer.

2. This is our only chance to get anywhere near 40m for him because first united are panic buying and second his value will drop after the WC because he is not a starter for Spain.

3. We don't need the money, but getting 40m is excellent for the club and will change Jose's policy in the market in the summer because he will have 40m more to spend.

4. Juan leaving does not really weaken us because he has been a squad player this season. Yes, it damages our squad depth, but for 40m, I'm pretty sure that the club and Jose would be thinking that it's worth it.

5.Because there are a lot of players leaving in the summer and because we will need to replace them, then it makes perfect sense to sell Juan to the highest bidder. We need to reduce this season's deficit in the balance significantly and show a "positive trend" in order to be applicable for the Annex XI which is crucial for us complying with the FFP rules.

6. Business wise thus is the perfect signing: A lot of money while not weakening our squad.

We can complicate it all you want but what probably happened is that united came in with huge bid for Juan and of course the board had to consider it because you can't ignore a 40m bid for a squad player. Juan knows that he doesn't fit Jose's system and wants to play more so he asked the club to be allowed to leave. The club realizes that it is a great piece of business and has the respect accept Juan's wish.

1. Summer would have been excellent time for changes like this, not end of January.

2. I'd rather take financial loss than sell to a direct rival. Don't get blinded by this 40 million figure, in todays market you'll be lucky to get a good player for that sum, especially if you're Chelsea, people know the club has money.

3. Same explanation as second point. Since when did we become selling club and bend down to get those extra 5-10 million? Embarrasing.

4. We'll see that when either Hazard, Oscar or Willian get injured or hit bad form patch. Squad depth is what counts, especially for English clubs with constant two fixtures a week games, prime example is City who have world class stars on bench, don't see them selling for profit, all I see them is being absolute favourites for the title. Look how thin squads suffer when they're in Europe - Newcastle and Swansea for example. Last year Newcastle suffered massively in the league because with their squad they also had to play in the Europa League, what did they do? Panic buy 5 or so players to survive. Look at Swansea this year, shadow of themselves compared to last season in the league. Depth is everything, this isn't FIFA14 where you push "Rematch" and everyones rested and healthy.

5. FFP is just an excuse to be more creative with bookkeeping. There was even an article about FFP's loopholes, Chelsea is and always will be comfortable with meeting those standards. Selling players is candy money for Chelsea compared to sponsorship deals, merchandise selling, world wide promotion and so on. These extra 10 or so million we get now compared to if we sold Mata in the summer won't make us any more competetive in the summer transfer market. Let's stop being naive.

6. Woah, perfect deal you say? Last time I checked you can't field 40 million quid and points aren't given based on how good of a mathematician our board is, but how well balanced and adaptive our squad is. Anything can happen. We might not get any injuries but then again we might lose 3-4 players at the same time, then I'd like to see your face. "Not weakening our squad" wow

[The Mak 4,459]

The football club > Abramovich > Mourinho > any individual player. There is a hierarchy involved in the business that is modern football.

I don't care about the hierarchy. I care about people acting as if Mourinho is infallible and that selling our player of the season for the past two years to one of our biggest rivals is some sort of genius masterstroke by him - when in actual fact no one has a fucking clue how this is all going to pan out.

[didierforever 7,349]

boys relax. we'll get salah probably

tomorrow medical according to Telegraph.

salah... hahahahahahaha... oh i just cant stop laughing. seriously.

kdb and mata sold to buy salah. oh dear fucking god!!!

[SinineUltra 1,170]

1. Juan was always going to leave because he never fit Jose's system. If it weren't now then in the summer. Hence we were always going to need to replace him in the summer.

2. This is our only chance to get anywhere near 40m for him because first united are panic buying and second his value will drop after the WC because he is not a starter for Spain.

3. We don't need the money, but getting 40m is excellent for the club and will change Jose's policy in the market in the summer because he will have 40m more to spend.

4. Juan leaving does not really weaken us because he has been a squad player this season. Yes, it damages our squad depth, but for 40m, I'm pretty sure that the club and Jose would be thinking that it's worth it.

5.Because there are a lot of players leaving in the summer and because we will need to replace them, then it makes perfect sense to sell Juan to the highest bidder. We need to reduce this season's deficit in the balance significantly and show a "positive trend" in order to be applicable for the Annex XI which is crucial for us complying with the FFP rules.

6. Business wise thus is the perfect signing: A lot of money while not weakening our squad.

We can complicate it all you want but what probably happened is that united came in with huge bid for Juan and of course the board had to consider it because you can't ignore a 40m bid for a squad player. Juan knows that he doesn't fit Jose's system and wants to play more so he asked the club to be allowed to leave. The club realizes that it is a great piece of business and has the respect accept Juan's wish.

Frankly it irritates me how you take the liberty to dismiss Mata and call him a squad player on every opportunity like it would soften the blow. We sold KdB who played for roughly 400 minutes for us this season, Mata has played 1100 (more than 12 full 90' games). I think he has an important role to play for us in 2013/14. Oscar can't play every game and he is the only real 100% sub for him. Moreover, if this is about game time, I'm sure the club can respect Juan's wishes in another manner - by a loan deal to France,Italy,Spain with an option to buy. Problem solved. Now selling to a direct rival, who are in contention for UCL, different cups and CL spots for 2014/15 season does not make sense. Indirectly he would affect ManUtd's progress in current season's CL and cup games by rotation. If you add up sum for progression in cups, qualifying and making it past group stages in next year's CL then ManU have broken even by paying over the market price and we are left with long faces. And whats this talk about not weakening our squad? We are losing DEPTH. I call it a major factor in hindering our quality of play.

[Rmpr 8,977]

I dont think selling Mata for 40m pounds (or whatever) is a bad deal, even if it is Manchester Utd we are talking about. I just think the timing of it is horrible...

1. We already sold KDB and we now 'only' have 5 AMs for 3 starting positions. Selling Mata will leave us with only one direct substitute. We would basically go from "over-depth" to "under-depth". We have to remember CFC is still fighting in three very difficult fronts - EPL, UCL and FA Cup.

2. Manure desperately need a guy like Mata and that may very well be the difference between Moyes failing and a top 4 spot! Despite being a rival, why should we sell him to them if they didnt accept our Rooney bid? Can you imagine how much better we would be with Rooney instead of Torres/Eto'o?

If I were Chelsea I would either wait until the summer or offer a trade deal for Rooney (if we still want him and if he really wants to quit United like the media rumors suggest).

[HD3D 1,038]

Like divorcing from Lucy Pinder to go out with Maggie Smith

Actually, that would sound reasonable if you were getting 40 million for that divorce and in the end you would still get to bang Mag... wait what are we even talking about??

[Polo7 3,496]

I don't care about the hierarchy. I care about people acting as if Mourinho is infallible and that selling our player of the season for the past two years to one of our biggest rivals is some sort of genius masterstroke by him - when in actual fact no one has a fucking clue how this is all going to pan out.

Selling a player who doesnt want to stay at the club for a decent amount to strengthen the team is good enough for me.

[Chelsea? 892]

Some on here would justify buying a monkey for 20mil.

[Martina 210]

I don't care about the hierarchy. I care about people acting as if Mourinho is infallible and that selling our player of the season for the past two years to one of our biggest rivals is some sort of genius masterstroke by him - when in actual fact no one has a fucking clue how this is all going to pan out.

The whole point is - Mata asked to leave. José didn’t force him to join Man United, did he?

A Chelsea player asked to leave the club and join another (our rivals). It was his personal choice.

[Sheva. 5,373]

Some on here would justify buying a monkey for 20mil.

If 'it' fits Mourinho's system, yes.

[Toli 977]

The whole point is - Mata asked to leave. José didn’t force him to join Man United, did he?

A Chelsea player asked to leave the club and join another (our rivals). It was his personal choice.

yes, he asked, because Mourinho does not fancy him in his plans. it aint like he has no reason for it or Mou isnt the reason lol. but you can always turn it aroudn how you want, eh?

[lionsden 4,689]

Well goodbye mata. thanks for all the great memories and joy you brought to the lives of some of us.

A true artist and a total gentlemen as well. Not many players can be called an artistic genius in football but he belongs in that elite category. wishing him good luck.

[Barbara 15,149]

37+17=54-21=33.

= Diego Costa release clause.

Problem solved.

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

The whole point is - Mata asked to leave. José didn’t force him to join Man United, did he?

A Chelsea player asked to leave the club and join another (our rivals). It was his personal choice.

Has he handed in a transfer request?

[Martina 210]

yes, he asked, because Mourinho does not fancy him in his plans. it aint like he has no reason for it or Mou isnt the reason lol. but you can always turn it aroudn how you want, eh?

Benitez didn’t fancy Terry and AVB didn’t fancy Lampard. They’re still our players.