lionsden 4,689 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 He wont fit Moyes.With the return of Rooney +RVp, he going to play on the wings and with the emergence of Adan, I highly doubt they would do this (unless, its a board move)..Also, what clubs do you speak of that would make Mata their number 1 option on their team? Why not let him rot on the bench then since he doesn't fit jose's style. if the rumour is true then no club in the world would be stupid enough to invest £37m on a player they don't intend to use as a no 1 option/regular starter. I'm not interested in debating where and how he would fit into a system yada yada same ole argument that has been recycled a billion times. Anyone club willing to spend that amount of money on a player obviously values the player highly to commit to such investment and will find a way to fit him into the starting eleven. It's simple really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NiclasCFC 2,582 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 I don't believe Mou would sell them Mata. However, the more I think about it, the more I'm convinced this could actually happen and it could be a genius move by Mourinho.Hear me out guys:First of all, from a strategic point of view, Mourinho has already stated he believes Manchester United are out of the title race, PLUS we won't be facing Mata + United again this season (seeing as Mata is cup-tied for the Champions League and we already played them twice in the EPL). So strengthening United with Mata would ONLY cause damage to our title rivals seeing as United still has to play Arsenal, Liverpool AND City.Add to that the fact that Chelsea has to deal with its financial loss, Mata will want to be at a club where he can get minutes in order to be at the world cup and the fact that such deal could potentially make room for Rooney in the summer. On top of all of that, we would be getting 37 million for a player that has fallen to the category of bench warmer for Chelsea.This deal makes so much sense in sooo many ways. I'm somewhat afraid to say this but,... I... hope the deal goes through.Still love you Juan, I'm sorry.The World does not end after this season mate... sdrcfc, chelseathebest, zolayes and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ephreak 42 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Don´t forget that Mata to United may actually attract other players to come to their otherwise sinking ship. I don´t get you guys, those who says there are logical explanation behind all of this are forgetting that this is MANCHESTER UNITED and there shouldn´t be any sale from Chelsea whatsoever! sdrcfc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korea 734 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Why not let him rot on the bench then since he doesn't fit jose's style. if the rumour is true then no club in the world would be stupid enough to invest £37m on a player they don't intend to use as a no 1 option. I'm not interested in debating where and how he would fit into a system yada yada same ole argument that has been recycled a billion times.If he hands in a transfer request as you said. Its going to be the same situation over there as well... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laeth 527 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Fuck giving United Mata. Sign Mata, a decent centre midfield player and Coentrao and they'd be right on our heels again. We want United to do a Liverpool - they make too much money and we don't want them making Champions League this year so they can spend it all on proper players. sdrcfc and ephreak 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 £37m is a lot of money, Jesus.Just the fact that it's United is the bit that's putting me off a bit - however, if they could sweeten the deal by perhaps give us something like £25m + Rooney I would 110% do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/manchester-united-deny-juan-mata-3042608The bid has been denied by United apparently... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbara 15,149 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 But when we do that, another problem appears. He's not as effective out wide as he is in the No.10 role and when that happens, our threat from his side probably drops 25-50%.question is, does that 25-50% is something we miss? Not really. We've scored 10 goals in 4 matches in 2014 and we've conceded 1 goal. I wouldn't change a thing about the team because at the end of the day the result is there and I feel we're progressing. Why risk improving our attack by also risking missing our pressing?It isn't only the defensive contribution he misses, he simply doesn't fit the system. Either he adapts to it or he'll warm the bench for as long as he stays here. Oscar has less to do with that Mata being benched, rather than Mata's inability to fit.I said it last week, I'll repeat again, I guess people are confusing two different things.1) we had an ineffective system in the past two years that didn't require from him to help the midfield or to press, he had a lot of freedom and with Rafa nearly total and it cost us dearly as we didn't have any balance at all. A better pivot LAST SEASON would have made up for some of the liability Mata offers, and we would have possibly done better, as we would have had his offensive contribution and a better protection to our defense.2) We currently have an effective system where Mata doesn't fit for a number of reasons: isn't fast enough, isn't direct enough, doesn't press enough, doesn't defend well enough, offers plenty of space on his back. To top all that he's in bad form. So a better pivot NOW does NOTHING for Mata or very little because the system focus on something else (something he lacks). It's the high press and the more urgent game, the receiving the ball in the run and making things happen OFF the ball that is required by the system. A better pivot does nothing to help him fit in the system, but it strengthens our system nonetheless.At the end of the day there are only two ways for Mata right now: adapt to the system or lose space in the team (he could also leave, but it doesn't depend entirely on him). It makes no sense for Mourinho to risk changing the system just because we have a better pivot that would make up for Mata's limitations for a few reasons, the main of them because it's the critical part of the season, changing a system now is suicidal. We haven't even completely sharpened the one we do have in place, changing it now makes no sense. Also, I'm not sure Mata is world class enough to have a system built around him... He can contribute a lot, and even with a better pivot protecting the defense and reducing spaces, this is the Premier League. This is literally another league and I think a better pivot makes up partially for the exposition he offers in a system where he has a lot of freedom, but I'm not sure such system is more effective than the one we have in place especially because this is English footie.He will never have freedom here, and doesn't matter if he's a winger or a CAM. I'm not even sure with less freedom he'd do much better as a CAM, after all he did spend plenty of time in the middle (statistically more than in the wing, or about the same) and I've seen little coming from him anyway... The positioning worsens something that is already working against him. He simply doesn't fit and I don't think he's worth the risk of having a slower system that relies less on pressing just so we can capitalize his qualities. semiller1313, kellzfresh and darrus 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellzfresh 7,229 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 But when we do that, another problem appears. He's not as effective out wide as he is in the No.10 role and when that happens, our threat from his side probably drops 25-50%.So he is basically the same level as benayoun on the wings?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionsden 4,689 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 anyone who has watched manure this year and doesnt think Mata would massively improve them IS FUCKING KRAZYIf jose is worried that he would "improve manure significantly" to the level where they would become a threat which implies that he sees him as a top quality player then perhaps he should start playing him more often or sell him abroad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Why not let him rot on the bench then since he doesn't fit jose's style. if the rumour is true then no club in the world would be stupid enough to invest £37m on a player they don't intend to use as a no 1 option/regular starter. I'm not interested in debating where and how he would fit into a system yada yada same ole argument that has been recycled a billion times. Anyone club willing to spend that amount of money on a player obviously values the player highly to commit to such investment and will find a way to fit him into the starting eleven. It's simple really.THEN sell him to a European team ....they dont play in the PL ....its not rocket science ,,,MANURE say they WILL NEVER sell to us ,,, so do you still say sell to them ,,oh and throw in Lukaku as you dont rate him either Christo191 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionsden 4,689 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 If he hands in a transfer request as you said. Its going to be the same situation over there as well...Oh you said, it's confirmed and settled then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HD3D 1,038 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 The World does not end after this season mate...Yes!! You are right. I forgot another advantage of this deal:- Strengthening United will mean Moyes will stay for more seasons to come! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milan 17,956 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 United fucked up our bid for Rooney with the words not for sale. We should act like them. Period. â•«rue Blue, sdrcfc and ephreak 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenIsLegend 475 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 I know this won't happen but it still scares me so much. I know Juan will leave sooner or later but I couldn't stand to see him in a direct rivals shirt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
De_ChrapQaa 192 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Don't we dare sell any players to them, LET THEM ROT IN MID-TABLE FOR SOME SEASONS, just pls...Rooney+cash is okay deal if it wasn't united, they mentality and everything, we can't help them come back! sdrcfc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 JASON Cundy on talk sports now .... NO WAY would Chelsea sell Mata to Manure sdrcfc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only place to be 11,313 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 THEN sell him to a European team Does any European team actually want him? The two big teams in Spain don't (sorry Atletico), I don't know if the Italian teams could afford him and does Pep need him at Bayern?That leaves PSG and the team one point above Newcastle and 12 points below us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionsden 4,689 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Why are people worried that selling him to utd would mean strengthening a rival. I thought he was the reason for our failures over the years and a player that adds no value to the team. This is all a bit confusing now. Gilvorak, Vybz Kartel and Mufassir08 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilvorak 3,734 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 If he hands in a transfer request as you said. Its going to be the same situation over there as well...Lol Christo191 and lionsden 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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