The only place to be 11,313 Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 Yes, but what are his options then? To keep getting loan after loan? To sit on the bench for most of the season and barely get better at all? Difficult situation.Btw, I saw him celebrating like a madman after the winning goal yesterday, I think mentally he'll be fine to start against Russia. A two-year loan similar to what Courtois had might be his best option if he wants to play here long-term because he doesn't seem happy with anything other than a starting role....and there's question marks over whether he's good enough.Costa is a great player with space to run into, like Lukaku but better. Against packed defences with his back to goal, Lukaku is at best unproven although on the evidence of yesterday he doesn't seem capable of providing what we need as an option B. It's why I'd be happy if we did get someone like Mandzukic in because he has that good control in tight situations.At the moment I'm not sure how Lukaku is most valuable to us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando 6,585 Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 Yes, but what are his options then? To keep getting loan after loan? To sit on the bench for most of the season and barely get better at all? Difficult situation.Btw, I saw him celebrating like a madman after the winning goal yesterday, I think mentally he'll be fine to start against Russia. I recommend before that we give him a new contract and then loan him to Atlético for close to two seasons. They play a similar system to us and with them selling costa to us they will take the deal. Perhaps he goes and have a similar or greater impact then Thibaut. The only place to be 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnythefirst 1,076 Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 See you're probably right, but yesterday is not a good indicator. You know how many good passes Lukaku got in the entire match? Absolutely zero. Was absolutely frustrating for him in my opinion. He was perfectly placed for the Hazard pass Chadli intercepted and ruined at the end of the first half. He might have scored if he got that one, we'll never know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando 6,585 Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 See you're probably right, but yesterday is not a good indicator. You know how many good passes Lukaku got in the entire match? Absolutely zero. Was absolutely frustrating for him in my opinion. He was perfectly placed for the Hazard pass Chadli intercepted and ruined at the end of the first half. He might have scored if he got that one, we'll never know.Because he was playing against a park bus. We get that frequently at Chelsea, unlike Everton or west brom. Viper22 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only place to be 11,313 Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 See you're probably right, but yesterday is not a good indicator. You know how many good passes Lukaku got in the entire match? Absolutely zero. Was absolutely frustrating for him in my opinion. He was perfectly placed for the Hazard pass Chadli intercepted and ruined at the end of the first half. He might have scored if he got that one, we'll never know.That wasn't too different from what we play against a lot of the time though and I thought he was pretty poor. His movement was terrible and he'd sometimes come quite deep to pick up the ball, but just be two yards away from the guy in possession. The when he'd drop off to receive the ball his first touch would let him down.Let's not forget he was injured very recently and it did show. He didn't look to be moving too freely which is why I think he was replaced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DH1988 1,348 Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 Time to stop talking Romelu :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnythefirst 1,076 Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 That wasn't too different from what we play against a lot of the time though and I thought he was pretty poor. His movement was terrible and he'd sometimes come quite deep to pick up the ball, but just be two yards away from the guy in possession. The when he'd drop off to receive the ball his first touch would let him down.Let's not forget he was injured very recently and it did show. He didn't look to be moving too freely which is why I think he was replaced.My point was that the rest of the team sucked as well, and there was absolutely no distribution to him, which is why he had to come so deep to get a ball.. The only place to be 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manpe 10,861 Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 By "complete striker" did he mean complete as in peaked in ability, or complete as in having the necessary tools to be able to do everything a la Drogba and Ibrahimovic? Well, whatever it was, it was a poor choice of words.Still rooting for Belgium and Lukaku though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBH 283 Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 A striker's job is to score goals. Quibbling over 'all round contribution' is the sort of woolly thinking that justifies Fernando Torres' continued existence as a professional footballer. If they can do other things, then that's brilliant, but the primary attribute, especially in this age of the lone striker, absolutely has to be how well they can put away chances. Especially at a team like Chelsea, which has struggled in that department for a fairly long period now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlueGuy 1,552 Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 i really want to see the stats.So chicharito scored more than 17 goals + 15 goals those 2 past seasons?Please give me the linkhe scored 20, 12, 18 and 9 for the past 4 years. Do a quick Google search Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iseah100 5,612 Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 he scored 20, 12, 18 and 9 for the past 4 years. Do a quick Google searchThis is true. If only he could get playing time:/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionsden 4,689 Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 In terms of poor technical ability and giving away possession , he's just as frustrating as they come however his positive outweighs his negative and there's room for him in the squad if he's willing to play second fiddle. We should accept him for what he is as he's never going to be a suarez for e.g. I blame those that scouted him and felt he's a right fit for the type of team we are building and also failed to take into account that the way 80 percent of teams we face set up against us renders Lukaku's attribute useless.If people are expecting his technical ability to improve past this point and turn into zlatan they might as well believe in santa claus and tooth fairy. Blue Armour 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando 6,585 Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 He kinda does reminds me of Heskey though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellzfresh 7,229 Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 He kinda does reminds me of Heskey though. Is that meant to be a good or bad thing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando 6,585 Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 Is that meant to be a good or bad thing?Kinda bad. Heskey also promised a lot but his first touches was always horrible. They guy ain't good enough yet to be with us, and for second striker is okay but he needs more games to get better. Thus is better to try to secure a loan to atlético. If he stays there for 2 years he might come back as a complete striker. laura90 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellzfresh 7,229 Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 Kinda bad. Heskey also promised a lot but his first touches was always horrible. They guy ain't good enough yet to be with us, and for second striker is okay but he needs more games to get better. Thus is better to try to secure a loan to atlético. If he stays there for 2 years he might come back as a complete striker.I would really not want to loan him out again. I think we should convince him to be the second striker and with a fair chance to win his place in the starting 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only place to be 11,313 Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 I blame those that scouted himBuying a player for £12 million who is now worth about double that.Sack them! Sack them all! Viper22, iseah100, kellzfresh and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 I'm not starting this whole discussion again, but if he'd been given a real chance he'd not be talking shit.Also Everton and West Brom have a place for him? That's strange. I thought the names that were mentioned were Atletico & Juventus to name just a few. Don't lie just to make yourself feel better. He also asked for a loan because Ba and goddamn Torres got starts before he got one.Funny you mention Ba he scored a high number of goals for the 5th best team in the league in 2012, just like Lukaku in 2014.When his goals at Everton get used as evidence he will succeed here I cringe, as that logic didn't work for Ba. Fernando, Polo7 and Viper22 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnythefirst 1,076 Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 Funny you mention Ba he scored a high number of goals for the 5th best team in the league in 2012, just like Lukaku in 2014.When his goals at Everton get used as evidence he will succeed here I cringe, as that logic didn't work for Ba.Ba was more worthwhile than Torres this year, scoring about a goal every three matches (since a lot of them were only a couple of minutes long coming of the bench that's not bad). Torres on the other hand scored a goal about every four matches. Most of these matches were longer than Ba's.Yet Torres keeps on playing. Familiar? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stats 7,142 Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 These pages would be on the 368 mark had Lukaku been playing in Costa's position tonight but surprise, surprise the excuses for Costa are that he has recieved no support. BTW that is true but it is funny that when it is Lukaku it is that it is his fault. Some people just wait to pounce and slate you unfortunately because they have made their mind up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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