The English Football Thread

[Fernando 6,537]

  On 29/01/2014 at 16:25, Jype said:

Manchester City report a loss of £52m for the 12/13 season. Add that to the £98m loss they had the year before and even after writing off any 'exceptional costs' they're still down over a £100m for FFP's first monitoring period which means they're pretty much fucked. Will be the first real opportunity for UEFA to show if they mean business with the FFP or if it's all just fancy talk.

  On 29/01/2014 at 16:27, Pizy said:

So City have released their revenue figures.

Scratching my head at how they could possibly have edged us in revenue. Chelsea is a MUCH bigger club with MUCH bigger global support.

PSG as well.

  On 29/01/2014 at 17:15, Rmpr said:

Because their owners use their own companies to overpay in sponsorship...

  On 29/01/2014 at 17:19, Jype said:

Well, they did sell the naming rights to their stadium and are getting around £40m extra a year for it.

Etihad money comes from Sheikh Mansour's brother and some of their other sponsorship deals are also funded by Abu Dhabi money belonging to either Mansour himself or his friends / family. Some could even describe all that as unfair because the source of the money is still pretty much the owner's pockets but it's only done that way to make their books look more flattering in hopes that UEFA believe it and cut them some slack with the FFP rules.

Also:

‏@RobHarris: "Man City made £47m selling "intellectual property" to "third parties" or "related parties". Without that would have lost more than 2011-12"

So, can someone tell me what exactly is this intellectual property they've sold to some mysterious Abu Dhabi investment group? City's coaching team goes to teach some local amateurs how to manage a football team and the club gets paid almost £50m for it?

  On 29/01/2014 at 17:41, Pizy said:

So in other words, they're selling things to themselves? Wtf!? lol

City are shady as hell. They don't give a toss about FFP and were one of, if not the only club to object to it. They had a ridiculously expensive squad last season and went and spent another 100m like it was nothing.

All due to these super shady sponsorship deals and loopholes.

Supporters of other clubs like United and Arse still make fun of us and say we aren't a truly big club, but like it or not we are. We're an absolutely massive, globally supported club. City aren't. Just have a fuck ton of cash.

  On 29/01/2014 at 18:08, Rmpr said:

Pretty much!!!

However, this is extremely common in the business world. When a company doesnt want to show that a certain department is doing THAT bad, they move money from another department so they can disguise the losses.

And about the FFP, no ones really cares about it. The difference is some clubs (Chelsea, Manure, Barcelona, etc) are in position to PRETEND to follow it, since it gives us political advantadge. Whereas clubs with low income like ManCity and PSG cant afford that luxury...

I mentioned this before, but it appears no one seems to really care.

I really think the FFP is just a made up bullshit, cause if they where for real they would have negated that sponsorship deal that they have. It doesn't' seem legit to me, but FFP couldn't give two cents about that, so the whole FFP as of now seems like a big illusion.

So if this is the case, then my question is why Roman hasn't done a deal similar to that of what City has just done? Or PSG did as well.

Club sell Mata for "financial" reason as well. So why the hell are we following this FFP? And clubs like City, PSG, and maybe Monaco in the not too distant future find loopholes around it?

FFP is a joke, nothing else!

[bushman 2,043]

  On 29/01/2014 at 17:19, Jype said:

Well, they did sell the naming rights to their stadium and are getting around £40m extra a year for it.

Etihad money comes from Sheikh Mansour's brother and some of their other sponsorship deals are also funded by Abu Dhabi money belonging to either Mansour himself or his friends / family. Some could even describe all that as unfair because the source of the money is still pretty much the owner's pockets but it's only done that way to make their books look more flattering in hopes that UEFA believe it and cut them some slack with the FFP rules.

Also:

‏@RobHarris: "Man City made £47m selling "intellectual property" to "third parties" or "related parties". Without that would have lost more than 2011-12"

So, can someone tell me what exactly is this intellectual property they've sold to some mysterious Abu Dhabi investment group? City's coaching team goes to teach some local amateurs how to manage a football team and the club gets paid almost £50m for it?

Well, thanks for your litany. Does it really matter how Citeh gets the money ? Not to me. Roman is not kosher either or is he ?

[Jype 6,398]

  On 29/01/2014 at 19:03, Fernando said:

I mentioned this before, but it appears no one seems to really care.

I really think the FFP is just a made up bullshit, cause if they where for real they would have negated that sponsorship deal that they have. It doesn't' seem legit to me, but FFP couldn't give two cents about that, so the whole FFP as of now seems like a big illusion.

So if this is the case, then my question is why Roman hasn't done a deal similar to that of what City has just done? Or PSG did as well.

Club sell Mata for "financial" reason as well. So why the hell are we following this FFP? And clubs like City, PSG, and maybe Monaco in the not too distant future find loopholes around it?

FFP is a joke, nothing else!

Does anyone really believe Mata was sold for financial reasons? He didn't fit the team anymore and wasn't getting enough playing time so best for all parties he moved on, getting a club record fee was only a bonus.

And why Chelsea aren't doing dodgy sponsorship deals like City and PSG are? Well, for one they aren't needed because no matter how loopholed the FFP might be we are still going to comply with the rules. And maybe, just maybe the club have a long term plan to one day be a self sufficient top club respected by everyone around the world, a club whose success is not at all dependent on the owner and whose titles aren't so easily written off for having more money than the other teams? We seem to be doing just fine as it is and the future is very bright for the club so there's no need to change things now. Abramovich has invested massively in the club and it's now time for him to start enjoying the fruit of those investments.

[bushman 2,043]

Roman invested money because he enjoys watching the team. Since his worth is close to 12 billions he does not care about a 50 million loss.

[NishC300 1,865]

Well since my exams are over I came home and saw the games I missed yesterday! What a performance by Liverpool! 4-0 vs Everton!

[Laylabelle 9,456]

Villa West Brom a mad game atm 3-3 and started with Villa 2-0 down

[Laylabelle 9,456]

Oooo one down..only many other players to go lol

[Magic Lamps 11,677]

We can just already congratulate City to the title. They are far too good to fuck it up now. We were always the ones to fuck it up because of our lack of goalthreats, I just did not expect us to do so that early.

[The Rising Sun 711]

  On 29/01/2014 at 20:44, iceboy said:

No Toure against us on Monday. (Suspended?)

i think yellow cards get reset on new years so no way he could have got 6 since then......

[communicate 2,703]

Lol I have never heard manager as honest as Tim sherwood in interview

[Magic Lamps 11,677]

Our only hope is Agüero being injured. he has been put off at halftime, I hope it is serious. We have to pray for a massive implosion of City's in order to get another shot at the title after this needless draw a serious injury to agüero would be a first step.

[The_Flash 1,144]

That was our chance as I was surprised arsenal dropped points then we f**** do it, one goal to even get three points , gutted

[kellzfresh 7,229]

  On 29/01/2014 at 21:46, Magic Lamps said:

We can just already congratulate City to the title. They are far too good to fuck it up now. We were always the ones to fuck it up because of our lack of goalthreats, I just did not expect us to do so that early.

We still have a chance if we beat city. Arsenal will fall by february, their fixtures are a nightmare till april.

But we really need a proper striker who scores headed goals and finishes chances. Its getting ridiculous. 39shots, only 9 on target, 0 goals is one of the most ridiculous finishing stats I've ever seen.

[didierforever 7,349]

monday is going to be a title decider, atleast for us. win or draw and we still in it, lose and we are out.

[bushman 2,043]

[Roquila 1,335]

  On 30/01/2014 at 10:42, didierforever said:

monday is going to be a title decider, atleast for us. win or draw and we still in it, lose and we are out.

More or less this is what i think but people will hunt you down because they think you dont believe in the team......

[Alan Partridge 1,124]

I remember when it looked like United would win the league, but City never gave up and kept winning games, United started to drop points. It came down to the last second of the season and Aguero scored and won City the title.

Long way to go. Even if we lose to City, Jose won't let them stop believing it can be done

[Stingray 9,441]

The atmosphere on here seems to be toxic and fatalistic.

We are very much on track - our goal was never the title in the first year. The idea was to build a solid foundation.

Because of our performances we find ourselves pretty much on top and of course City is going to be there as a serious contender. What did you expect, tbh? A good, stacked team in their prime?

If we win on monday - great! If we lose, bummer considering our current position, but it isn't the undoing of our original objectives.

So, whatever happens: carefree! The future is ours.