The English Football Thread

[NikkiCFC 8,300]

Most disgusting club as usual...

[Vesper 30,119]

10 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

'You are walking and you don't know if they are going to kill you': Angel Di Maria's wife recalls 's***' time at Manchester United, brands English people 'weird', the food 'disgusting' and says girls wear too much make-up

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8290885/Angel-Di-Marias-wife-recalls-s-time-Manchester-United.html

😂😂

it was Manchester, what did he expect?

poxy shithole

[Vesper 30,119]

Premier League clubs to debate whether to dump VAR for rest of season

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/may/08/premier-league-clubs-to-debate-whether-to-dump-var-for-rest-of-season-five-substitutions-ifab

Ifab gives green light but clubs expected to stick with it

Vote needed on whether to allow five substitutions

Premier League clubs will debate whether to dump VAR for the remainder of the season – if it can be completed – after the International Football Association Board (Ifab) said that individual competitions can do so if they want to.

The clubs, who will hold a conference call on Monday, must also vote on another Ifab temporary amendment – whether to agree to the use of five substitutes in matches.

It is not thought that the clubs will veto the use of VAR partly because, until the Ifab announcement, it had not been on the agenda. The clubs agreed to introduce the technology for this season and it could be argued that a move away from it for the final matches would compromise the integrity of the competition. Furthermore, it would seem strange to remove a feature of the game that would return at the start of the following season.

There has been the suggestion that dropping VAR would make it slightly easier to plan for the resumption of play but it has no material impact on the staging of games from a logistical standpoint.

If clubs agree to extra substitutions, each side will have three opportunities, excluding half-time, to make changes. Fifa said the measure could be applied in competitions that finish before the end of 2020.

“The temporary amendment comes into force with immediate effect,” it said, “and has been made as matches may be played in a condensed period in different weather conditions, both of which could have impacts on player welfare.”

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[NikkiCFC 8,300]

 

[Jase 43,479]

6 hours ago, Vesper said:

Premier League clubs to debate whether to dump VAR for rest of season

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/may/08/premier-league-clubs-to-debate-whether-to-dump-var-for-rest-of-season-five-substitutions-ifab

Ifab gives green light but clubs expected to stick with it

Vote needed on whether to allow five substitutions

Premier League clubs will debate whether to dump VAR for the remainder of the season – if it can be completed – after the International Football Association Board (Ifab) said that individual competitions can do so if they want to.

The clubs, who will hold a conference call on Monday, must also vote on another Ifab temporary amendment – whether to agree to the use of five substitutes in matches.

It is not thought that the clubs will veto the use of VAR partly because, until the Ifab announcement, it had not been on the agenda. The clubs agreed to introduce the technology for this season and it could be argued that a move away from it for the final matches would compromise the integrity of the competition. Furthermore, it would seem strange to remove a feature of the game that would return at the start of the following season.

There has been the suggestion that dropping VAR would make it slightly easier to plan for the resumption of play but it has no material impact on the staging of games from a logistical standpoint.

If clubs agree to extra substitutions, each side will have three opportunities, excluding half-time, to make changes. Fifa said the measure could be applied in competitions that finish before the end of 2020.

“The temporary amendment comes into force with immediate effect,” it said, “and has been made as matches may be played in a condensed period in different weather conditions, both of which could have impacts on player welfare.”

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The Premier League:

We want to maintain the integrity of the competition.

Also the Premier League:

Let's reduce each half of football.

Let's play at neutral grounds.

Let's dump VAR for the rest of the season.

[Tomo 21,751]

38 minutes ago, Jason said:

The Premier League:

We want to maintain the integrity of the competition.

Also the Premier League:

Let's reduce each half of football.

Let's play at neutral grounds.

Let's dump VAR for the rest of the season.

I wish all these clubs/players/executives/fans would all stop the bullshit and just admit they want what best suits their club.

Everytime we hear about people wanting voids they bang on about integrity/morality being the reason behind why it's their preference yet the one thing all these people seem to have in common is they support or are employed by a club who would benefit.

The only exception to that rule are United fans but we all know exactly why that is.

[Jase 43,479]

5 minutes ago, Tomo said:

I wish all these clubs/players/executives/fans would all stop the bullshit and just admit they want what best suits their club.

Everytime we hear about people wanting voids they bang on about integrity/morality being the reason behind why it's their preference yet the one thing all these people seem to have in common is they support or are employed by a club who would benefit.

The only exception to that rule are United fans but we all know exactly why that is.

I would love to be in one of their meetings to be honest because I swear they have had like 100 of them by now and they look no closer to agreeing on anything or forming a cohesive plan on how to restart the season. Almost every day you see news of stupid suggestions being mentioned or that some stakeholders are not being consulted over a return etc. It's not exactly safe to return yet in England and yet, they are finding stupid ways to try and force the resumption. 

[Vesper 30,119]

Friday May 8 2020 Football Nerd

Why we must use our eyes as well as stats to judge goalkeepers By Daniel Zeqiri Where does David de Gea stand in the pantheon of great goalkeepers? CREDIT: GETTY IMAGES Through football's coronavirus hiatus, we are committed to providing a weekly newsletter of facts, analysis and retrospectives. If there is a topic you want us to cover please email [email protected].uk. Above all, stay safe.     The subject for this week's newsletter comes from one of our readers, so thanks to Neil H who asks: "There is lots of speculation and argument over who has been or is the best goalkeeper to grace the Premier League. What do you guys think and what do the stats say?" Evaluating goalkeepers and defenders using statistics is a really interesting subject, and a troublesome one for scouting teams within the game. It is no coincidence that Arsene Wenger and Sir Alex Ferguson, two of the greatest managers from the Premier League era, made several boo-boos in this department. Attacking players produce quantifiable output - shots, key passes, assists, expected goals and so on - that can be used to analyse their quality in a relatively straightforward way. This is not true of defenders and goalkeepers. Goals, assists, and key passes have universal value and a clear outcome in a way tackles, clearances or saves do not. Often these rudimentary measures are simply a reflection of how much work a defender or goalkeeper gets through. For instance, you might recall a young Ben Foster thriving on loan at relegated Watford in 2006-7 when he was peppered with shots, but struggling at Manchester United when his concentration was tested due to long spells of inactivity. Goalkeepers in poor teams will make plenty of saves. Petr Cech holds the record for Premier League clean sheets with 202, while Pepe Reina holds the record for clean sheet ratio with 134 in 291 appearances: 46.05 per cent. Both were fantastic goalkeepers at their peak, but also played for well-drilled Jose Mourinho and Rafael Benitez defences in an era of conservative tactics. How much should that influence our judgement? If we go on save percentage, the top 10 goalkeepers in Premier League history are as follows (based on those with 100 appearances or more):     Cech stands out again, as does Edwin van der Sar. But do we really believe Marcus Hahnemann and Manuel Almunia are in the best 10 goalkeepers in Premier League history? Of course not, which demonstrates the difficulty of evaluating goalkeepers using stats alone. Readers will surely be shouting the name Peter Schmeichel at their phone or laptop - the goalkeeper you would expect to win a public poll on this subject - but his time at Manchester United came before Opta started collecting stats like save percentages. Schmeichel was an integral part of several title wins and his style influenced a generation of goalkeepers, so I would not object to those who argue he was the best. Today, there are more sophisticated metrics for measuring goalkeeper performance such as Opta's Expected Goals on Target metric. XGoT, unlike plain old Expected Goals, is a post-shot model. That means it takes into account not just the location and quality of the shot, but the goalmouth location where the shot finishes. XGoT throws out all the attempts that end up off target regardless of their xG value. That makes it a useful metric for assessing goalkeepers, because counting all the shots that do not test them could prove misleading. Moreover, it paints a more accurate picture of goalkeepers' performances on long-range efforts. A shot from 30 yards might have an xG value of 0.03, meaning any goal from that range reflects badly on a goalkeeper statistically. As we all know however, there are occasional shots from distance that leave goalkeepers with little chance, and XGoT takes that into account. For example, Daniel Sturridge's goal at Stamford Bridge last season had an xG value of 0.03, but registered 0.58 on XGoT because it was so perfectly placed into the top corner. According to this measure, the top five goalkeepers in the Premier League currently are: Vicente Guaita, Martin Dubravka, Dean Henderson, Hugo Lloris and Ben Foster. Crystal Palace goalkeeper Guaita has kept out 9.6 more goals than you would expect. But surely they are not better goalkeepers than Alisson or Ederson, I hear you ask? In short, assessing goalkeepers is difficult and remains quite subjective. Maybe we just need to use our eyes.

[Laylabelle 9,534]

16 hours ago, Jason said:

I would love to be in one of their meetings to be honest because I swear they have had like 100 of them by now and they look no closer to agreeing on anything or forming a cohesive plan on how to restart the season. Almost every day you see news of stupid suggestions being mentioned or that some stakeholders are not being consulted over a return etc. It's not exactly safe to return yet in England and yet, they are finding stupid ways to try and force the resumption. 

A 3rd Brighton player has been tested postive. Been training individually but still..had they not been then what then? Theyd have no team. 

And same for any other team in the retstat. Player tests postive surely the rest have to isolate. Happened in Germany already 

It's silly. And talks if testing players and whatever. Use those for the people who are close contact first! Like Lampard himself said it's silly to use tests on players when others need them more.

Even in empty grounds they'll still be people around. No getting past that especially if they want these games aired.

 

[Jase 43,479]

1 hour ago, Laylabelle said:

A 3rd Brighton player has been tested postive. Been training individually but still..had they not been then what then? Theyd have no team. 

And same for any other team in the retstat. Player tests postive surely the rest have to isolate. Happened in Germany already 

It's silly. And talks if testing players and whatever. Use those for the people who are close contact first! Like Lampard himself said it's silly to use tests on players when others need them more.

Even in empty grounds they'll still be people around. No getting past that especially if they want these games aired.

Just like the government, they don't have a fucking clue. 

[MoroccanBlue 5,378]

I can’t see anything other than a PPG verdict ( if the season has to end) being the fairest determinant. 
 

We are 80% through the season and clubs are where they are for a reason. 

[Laylabelle 9,534]

If the season ends where it is and teams positions are taking into accounting the Villa would have a case on their hand if they want to still relegate.

They have a game in hand which with a win would take them out the bottom

Same with Sheffield. Win their game and they'd be in 5th place

Probably be so much easier to get void if anything. There has to be a cut off point to starting and its bound to be a disaster if all it takes is one player testing postive.. 

[Atomiswave 6,117]

Null and void the damn season, enough already. What kind of state will the players be in, and you want neutral grounds too? Void that shit, no one wins atitle, no one gets relegated or demoted etc. Delete the season.

[Fulham Broadway 17,305]

Driven by money. They want to play it out or they owe billions to TV companies.

[Jase 43,479]

45 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Driven by money. They want to play it out or they owe billions to TV companies.

I find that the Premier League's lack of cohesive planning is the stupidest part in all of this. They are desperate to make sure the season is completed, fine but they don't have a freaking clue on how to go about it. They have had so many meetings with the clubs and gone nowhere, we hear stupid suggestions every few days to somehow force an early resumption and they don't even have a proper medical procedure on ensuring the safety of the players, staff etc involved for when the season resumes.