herpthederp 122 Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Chelsea didnt fail him ,,, perhaps he was over hyped ,,,but he hasnt grown ,,,Chelsea are fantastic at developing players right up until the crucial 17-21 phase when they need first team football. It's a phase when you have to take risks if you want rewards down the line, risks which Chelsea, with all the money, are not willing to take. It's not like McEachran was even a liability, he did not look out of place in Champions League games and kept the team ticking over just fine. If managers had shown faith in him he could have been a semi-regular member of the first team by now, instead he's barely progressed in the last two years. Blue Armour, Strike and robsblubot 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Chelsea are fantastic at developing players right up until the crucial 17-21 phase when they need first team football. It's a phase when you have to take risks if you want rewards down the line, risks which Chelsea, with all the money, are not willing to take. It's not like McEachran was even a liability, he did not look out of place in Champions League games and kept the team ticking over just fine. If managers had shown faith in him he could have been a semi-regular member of the first team by now, instead he's barely progressed in the last two years.I have given up on seeing anyone come through our academy to become a first team regular.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 Chelsea are fantastic at developing players right up until the crucial 17-21 phase when they need first team football. It's a phase when you have to take risks if you want rewards down the line, risks which Chelsea, with all the money, are not willing to take. It's not like McEachran was even a liability, he did not look out of place in Champions League games and kept the team ticking over just fine. If managers had shown faith in him he could have been a semi-regular member of the first team by now, instead he's barely progressed in the last two years.The thing is, it's not just the problem at Chelsea, it's a serious problem at the top level of football full stop. how many players in say the last 7 years have broke into Chelsea, United, Liverpool or Arsenal first team squad's without a PL or top level loan? Their isn't many. Rodgers used Sterling and Wisdom at the start when the supporters and owners were giving him time, he is expected to deliver this season so Sterling is back on the fringes and Wisdom is on loan to Derby.Even Ferguson, who's job security was higher than mine on fifa has hesitated blooding young players in the modern era, says a lot about the pressure's at the top level of football, doesn't it? Clevemayer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Armour 4,439 Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 The thing is, it's not just the problem at Chelsea, it's a serious problem at the top level of football full stop. how many players in say the last 7 years have broke into Chelsea, United, Liverpool or Arsenal first team squad's without a PL or top level loan? Their isn't many. Rodgers used Sterling and Wisdom at the start when the supporters and owners were giving him time, he is expected to deliver this season so Sterling is back on the fringes and Wisdom is on loan to Derby.Even Ferguson, who's job security was higher than mine on fifa has hesitated blooding young players in the modern era, says a lot about the pressure's at the top level of football, doesn't it? Yes, its been the same story with the bigger clubs for a while now..no one is willing to take the risk with breaking younger talent into the first team...Still wish we could buck the trend with Josh...Despite his shortcomings, he does seem to play with more maturity than most players his age. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 There are a lot of "theories" about him having attitude issues. Good to hear his manager saying otherwise. Tomo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted December 15, 2013 Share Posted December 15, 2013 Was back on the bench yesterday after missing a couple of weeks due to sickness. Very unfortunate as he had just won a place in the starting XI and started a few games on the trot. But the situation at Watford is far from ideal atm. I don't think Zola is going to last there much longer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChelseasMessiah 304 Posted December 15, 2013 Share Posted December 15, 2013 Was back on the bench yesterday after missing a couple of weeks due to sickness. Very unfortunate as he had just won a place in the starting XI and started a few games on the trot. But the situation at Watford is far from ideal atm. I don't think Zola is going to last there much longer. Josh is in a tough spot again, he should be really bossing this league. Look at Kevin, over 10 goals and 10 assists in the Bundesliga and even he can barely get any game time here, imagine someone who's been struggling in the Championship for two seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted December 15, 2013 Share Posted December 15, 2013 Josh is in a tough spot again, he should be really bossing this league. Look at Kevin, over 10 goals and 10 assists in the Bundesliga and even he can barely get any game time here, imagine someone who's been struggling in the Championship for two seasons.The issue is though, that both those loans were wrong for Josh while Kevin's loan was perfect. That's not to deny that Kevin is of course a hundred times more ready to join the first team than Josh is, but I was so excited when he was linked with Soceidad. I felt that was a chance for him to do what Kevin did in the Bundes Liga and what Piazon is now doing at VItesse. He was never going to excel in a physical league like the championship. In fact, he always does much better at a higher level for us. Mufassir08 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucio 5,418 Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 The issue is though, that both those loans were wrong for Josh while Kevin's loan was perfect. That's not to deny that Kevin is of course a hundred times more ready to join the first team than Josh is, but I was so excited when he was linked with Soceidad. I felt that was a chance for him to do what Kevin did in the Bundes Liga and what Piazon is now doing at VItesse. He was never going to excel in a physical league like the championship. In fact, he always does much better at a higher level for us. should just loan to a weak spanish side like celta vigo or almeria. or even an adelante team like zaragoza CHOULO19 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herpthederp 122 Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Assuming he would want to move abroad, which England players unfortunately seldom do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Zola just resigned: http://www.goal.com/en-sg/news/3875/transfer-zone/2013/12/17/4484023/zola-resigns-as-watford-head-coachNo surprise at all. Not sure where this leave Josh, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac.bo 48 Posted December 24, 2013 Share Posted December 24, 2013 Maybe Vitesse could use him,pity he didnt bloom like ramsey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herpthederp 122 Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 His loan has ended, he has returned to Chelsea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mufassir08 2,400 Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Any chance of him on the bench against derby? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herpthederp 122 Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 I seriously doubt it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jype 6,398 Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 Send him to Vitesse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Looks like he's on his way back out. Tweeted this:@JMcEachran20Exciting times... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5354 204 Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Gutted if we let him leave permanently.He should have been blooded in this team by now. Sadly his game will probably not work out as long as JM is the manager. lionsden 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toli 977 Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Gutted if we let him leave permanently.He should have been blooded in this team by now. Sadly his game will probably not work out as long as JM is the manager.where should he play? just anxious from you to see where actually he could fit at the moment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionsden 4,689 Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Gutted if we let him leave permanently.He should have been blooded in this team by now. Sadly his game will probably not work out as long as JM is the manager.Ancelotti's sacking thanks to our managerial instability halted his development big time. He could have been a great regista. but it's all what ifs now and I will be shocked if he turns it around and eventually makes the grade. Gilvorak, didierforever and Vybz Kartel 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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