Hip Hop discussion

[Term-X 7,891]

Dr. Dre is so massively overrated.

In what sense?

[DDA 9,925]

Dr. Dre is so massively overrated.

Maybe as a rapper, in which he isn't even rated highly among the rapping Gods when regarding skill in terms of content, structure and delivery. Having said that he dropped some heavy verses in his early rap career and certainly dropped nice verses on the Dre 2001 album, which for me goes down in history as one of the best Hip Hop albums of all time. He has lost his way with rapping and the verse he dropped on his collaboration with Eminem - 'I need a doctor', was kind of awkward to listen to but that is just my personal opinion.

When regarding his contribution to the Hip Hop scene, Dre certainly isn't overrated. He is one of the biggest producers of all time. He was the co-owner of Death Row records and the founder of Aftermath entertainment, two of the biggest record labels to have ever produced in Hip Hop. He signed both Eminem and 50 cent who have gone on to have colossus careers in Hip Hop. Dre has also produced and rapped alongside Snoop Dogg and 2pac throughout the 90's and many more great artists. Need i mention his involvement in NWA, the iconic gangster rap group that stormed the charts in the late 80's early 90's. His CV is unrivaled when analyzing his contribution to the growth and longevity of Hip Hop from the late 80's to date.

I have only highlighted some of what Dre has done as I would probably run out of characters and space to list all of what he has offered to Hip Hop and to say Dr Dre is overrated is an insult to Hip Hop itself.

[Term-X 7,891]

[Kojo 4,676]

My favourite rapper is back, he's got the most underrated voice ever.

[Blue-in-me-Veins 4,067]

i failled, i listened to some snippets..................THE WAIT IS KILLING ME!!!

my boy and I gona be singing this through the halls in school once this shit drops!

gota wast some time......................... .......................... #Dont Judge Me

[Blue-in-me-Veins 4,067]

Lyricist of the year, no surprise really.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=1m4uLnbiw6g

[Rambo 1,729]

the cyphers were weak this year..only ones I liked were kendricks, ab-soul, joey badass, kweli and gambino.

[Leif 6,006]

Fantastic 'diss' (if you could class it as that) if you know about Hopsin and Funk Volume etc.

No need for aggression, lying etc. Just telling it how it is. It's good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgC40BX7cS0

[Kieran. 6,317]

Kendrick Lamar is so fucking phenomenal, he will go down as one of the all-time greats.

[Blue-in-me-Veins 4,067]

Kendrick Lamar is so fucking phenomenal, he will go down as one of the all-time greats.

i agree,, hopefully radio hosts like DJ envy(105.1 up here in NY/NJ) and Co. will play him instead of the "i fuck hoes, get money, and 50mil 100mill its accumulating" repetitive crap the likes of Wayne and Rick Ross produce.

which leads me, this is not just for you @, but everyone in here @BOSS,@DDA, @, @Leif,@Rambo,@Kojo,

what do you look for in a Hip-Hop/Rap song? does it have to be Lyrics, lyrics, lyrics,, or can it be beats, flow, etc.?

becuase i'll be honest, i dont mind some (again SOME) of the songs people like Rick Ross, and Co. do. even if its about the standard "fuck bithces get money, etc etc" but what i dont like is if thats ALL you can do. because now your lame and fake and theres no unique meaning to anything you do.

people like Eminem (my personal favorite) or K-Dot, Joeybada$$ T.I etc. etc. i like more because even if they rap about hoes and materilistic shit i know thats not what their truly about.

just want to hear other peoples opinions on the subject that is Hip-Hop/Rap,, also how do you view the state of the game today? you like it, hate it? share your thoughts.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

It depends. I don't usually have a 'set criteria' for a favorable hip-hop song. Some artists aren't all that lyrically but their flow over a beat can make them seem (and rightly so) very good. Others are lyrically phenomenal and their story telling ability is second to none.

So what I'll look for in a song will depend. If the beat is on point, even if the lyrics are shit but still tolerable then I'd consider that a good song. At the same time if the artist is delivering a good flow and showing good lyricism on a mediocre beat.. that too could amount to a 'favorite song'.

As for the state of hip-hop itself? Well hip-hop's dead. Everyone knows and understands that. But there are a few artists still keepin' it real. Guys like Kendrick Lamar for example, Big K.r.i.t, Lupe Fiasco.. but Nas called it right when he dropped "hip-hop is dead".

[Blue-in-me-Veins 4,067]

It depends. I don't usually have a 'set criteria' for a favorable hip-hop song. Some artists aren't all that lyrically but their flow over a beat can make them seem (and rightly so) very good. Others are lyrically phenomenal and their story telling ability is second to none.

So what I'll look for in a song will depend. If the beat is on point, even if the lyrics are shit but still tolerable then I'd consider that a good song. At the same time if the artist is delivering a good flow and showing good lyricism on a mediocre beat.. that too could amount to a 'favorite song'.

As for the state of hip-hop itself? Well hip-hop's dead. Everyone knows and understands that. But there are a few artists still keepin' it real. Guys like Kendrick Lamar for example, Big K.r.i.t, Lupe Fiasco.. but Nas called it right when he dropped "hip-hop is dead".

fair enough,, my prime example of a weak lyrical song but amazing flow (IMO) is racks on racks (remix) by YC. something about that song just moooves me.
i just wanted to get some views on the matter and wheather people were optimistic about the future of the game nd all. theres no doubt the game is fake/dead/whatever you wanna call it but i see light at the end of the tunnel.

[Kieran. 6,317]

I'm a bigger fan of production/beats than lyrics tbh.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

oh and i didnt forget to mention you,, i just knew i didnt NEED to.

fair enough,, my prime example of a weak lyrical song but amazing flow (IMO) is racks on racks (remix) by YC. something about that song just moooves me.

i just wanted to get some views on the matter and wheather people were optimistic about the future of the game nd all. theres no doubt the game is fake/dead/whatever you wanna call it but i see light at the end of the tunnel.

I thought I saw the light when J. Cole was on the rise, then he sold out. That's the problem with these potential saviors of hip-hop, it's very hard for them to stay true to their original music & seek the fortunes they desire from the game. Someone like K.Dot does seem like he's got his head on properly and GK,MC is a brilliant follow up to S.80, but it's what he does after that which I'll judge him on.

[Blue-in-me-Veins 4,067]

I thought I saw the light when J. Cole was on the rise, then he sold out. That's the problem with these potential saviors of hip-hop, it's very hard for them to stay true to their original music & seek the fortunes they desire from the game. Someone like K.Dot does seem like he's got his head on properly and GK,MC is a brilliant follow up to S.80, but it's what he does after that which I'll judge him on.

which is fair enough....im not much of a J.cole fan myslef but someone like K-Dot i hope stays true also,, the problem is nobody wants to call these "fakes" out directlyT.I adresses it in his song IM BACK but not fully and the only one who has the guts to say it, DMX, doesnt get as much love from POP media sooooo we're left with the YMCMB dick-riders. have you listened to the snippets of KD-MC? i already did, couldnt resist, and i think some of the samples were dope some were iffy but i'll wait for the whole thing.

Meek Millz is also somebody i really like but i fear each day Rozay just gains more and more influence on him (in a negative way) and makes him talk about the material bull-shit.

he adresses it here at the 3:00 mark. and hopefully he follows up with that and decides not to fake it even though he's "made it". (which was also a song of his.)