Bacika 188 Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 On what basis is he better?....Zouma is still really raw...he is poor on the ball. I know he's great in the air, and is hard tackler but it's just that I like chalobah style of play better.. better tehnique, good on the ball, can be creative from the back...it's my opinion, you don't have to agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only place to be 11,313 Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 The difference between Chalobah and Pogba is the latter always seemed to have that 'edge' to his game, played with a chip on his shoulderThey're very similar players. Pogba wasn't given a chance, left and proved himself at the next club. I wouldn't be surprised if the same happened to Nat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didierforever 7,349 Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 not even close to ready for us. would rather take baker over him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only place to be 11,313 Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 not even close to ready for us. would rather take baker over him. Different players in different positions who offer different things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didierforever 7,349 Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 Different players in different positions who offer different things.baker was used as a CAM by jose but i would say that was cos of our lack of options upfront with none of oscar, willian, hazard available.right now we have 4 places done for the CM/DM spots (cesc, matic, rambo, mvg). we have the option of romeu and mikel. if we choose nat over them, it will solely be cos of HG. would rather take baker if thats the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TorontoChelsea 4,064 Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 A loan is absolutely the right thing. He is coming off of a poor to mixed season in the Championship (after a great one). He's not ready (the jump to the Premier League is a massive one even for more polished, more experiences, and more accomplished players) and we don't have enough game time to give him to develop. We have Fabergas, Matic, Ramires, Van Ginkel, Romeu, and Mikel all ahead of him for 2 positions in midfield and Terry, Cahill, Ivanovic, and Zouma ahead of him for 2 positions in central defense. (and no, getting rid of Mikel wouldn't suddenly give Chalobah playing time.) I'd ideally love to see him on a lower Premier League team where he'd get minutes (Burnley?), but there aren't many of those and I think back to the Championship is a little more likely. seanptmiller, Stats, Amblève. and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vybz Kartel 1,613 Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 I said a while ago, I dont see the purpose of our youth set up if we actaully end up ruining this young kids careers by endless loans lets face it if I was a manager of another team I would not give 100% effort on improving someone else's prospect. Different with more estabilshed players ie De Bruyne, Lukaku, Courtois they offer something more than potential unlike players like Josh, Nat. Bamford who need to be nurtured well to achieve their potential. Lets face it had McCeran or Chalobah been at Arsenal they would be world class players by now, with all the potential they have. Chelsea as a club a short sighted thus we will never see a youth prospect break into our first team, the cycle will continue on and on as long as we have a sugar daddy we will never be able to produce one of our own Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only place to be 11,313 Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 He's not ready (the jump to the Premier League is a massive one even for more polished, more experiences, and more accomplished players) and we don't have enough game time to give him to develop.http://www.redcafe.net/threads/paul-pogba.278058/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didierforever 7,349 Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 I said a while ago, I dont see the purpose of our youth set up if we actaully end up ruining this young kids careers by endless loans lets face it if I was a manager of another team I would not give 100% effort on improving someone else's prospect. Different with more estabilshed players ie De Bruyne, Lukaku, Courtois they offer something more than potential unlike players like Josh, Nat. Bamford who need to be nurtured well to achieve their potential. Lets face it had McCeran or Chalobah been at Arsenal they would be world class players by now, with all the potential they have. Chelsea as a club a short sighted thus we will never see a youth prospect break into our first team, the cycle will continue on and on as long as we have a sugar daddy we will never be able to produce one of our ownin short, u want us to be like arsenal. tell me what has arsenal won it the last 10 years? an FA cup?i am sorry dude, but it seems that roman, the board, JOSE and the club as whole put more precendence on success rather than the future of players like mceachran and kakuta who have been said to have a problem with even training. but u know what, jose has just included ake and andreas in the first team squads. 2 youth players. while saying that people like bamford, chalobah might be a part in coming years. but hell to that, we should just send a team of U-21s for the PL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 I said a while ago, I dont see the purpose of our youth set up if we actaully end up ruining this young kids careers by endless loans lets face it if I was a manager of another team I would not give 100% effort on improving someone else's prospect. Different with more estabilshed players ie De Bruyne, Lukaku, Courtois they offer something more than potential unlike players like Josh, Nat. Bamford who need to be nurtured well to achieve their potential. Lets face it had McCeran or Chalobah been at Arsenal they would be world class players by now, with all the potential they have. Chelsea as a club a short sighted thus we will never see a youth prospect break into our first team, the cycle will continue on and on as long as we have a sugar daddy we will never be able to produce one of our ownLet me guess, Conor Clifford would be as good as Gerrard by now if he went to Arsenal?Youth development works both ways, you can't expect every half decent prospect to play at 18, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TorontoChelsea 4,064 Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 http://www.redcafe.net/threads/paul-pogba.278058/Exactly. We should assume that every young player with any talent is secretly a start player because it happened to one player. Let's just run out our youth team because Paul Pogba did it! Feruz, Loftus-Cheek, Bamford, Baker...we will have a team of potentially elite players! (And finish in the relegation zone). Pogba is a rarity, even the exception. You can't point out the exception and say that's why we should be doing something. There have been thousands and thousands of players who have played in the Championship in the last decade, played in youth teams and exactly how many of them went immediately helping out even mid-table Premier league sides? For every Pogba, there are a thousand Zahas, a thousand Tom Inces, and a thousand Wes Hoolahans. And those were players who were elite in the Championship, not someone who was benched regularly. Maybe Chalobah could play with Chelsea this year and be a great player but historically those odds are probably not even 0.1% and why risj it? What exactly is the benefit? Almost no chance of making an impact and no game time for a player who badly needs development all because fans want to see a young player play? If he's good enough, he'll force his way here eventually and if he's not, he won't. He isn't good enough yet. Tomo, Peace. and Amblève. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robdog 2,084 Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 in short, u want us to be like arsenal. tell me what has arsenal won it the last 10 years? an FA cup?What about all of those Top 4 finishes? Doesn't that count as Silverware Well that is what le voyeur would like everyone to believe. Remember this quote?"The first trophy is to finish in the top four," - le voyeurI guess for some people that is the main goal to achieve during a League season didierforever 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polo7 3,496 Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 As fans we tend to overrate most of our youth players. Its to do with us being known as a buying club and not one that promotes talent within. Therefore everytime we have a player who can kick a ball straight, we believe he will be the next John Terry. So many examples... iseah100 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Mikel OBE 4,920 Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 I said a while ago, I dont see the purpose of our youth set up if we actaully end up ruining this young kids careers by endless loans lets face it if I was a manager of another team I would not give 100% effort on improving someone else's prospect. Different with more estabilshed players ie De Bruyne, Lukaku, Courtois they offer something more than potential unlike players like Josh, Nat. Bamford who need to be nurtured well to achieve their potential. Lets face it had McCeran or Chalobah been at Arsenal they would be world class players by now, with all the potential they have. Chelsea as a club a short sighted thus we will never see a youth prospect break into our first team, the cycle will continue on and on as long as we have a sugar daddy we will never be able to produce one of our ownAnd more than likely playing for us,Man United, or Man city by now robdog 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only place to be 11,313 Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 Exactly. We should assume that every young player with any talent is secretly a start player because it happened to one player. Not at all. I'm just saying that what you're saying about Chalobah was said about Pogba, and they're both players I felt were of a similar standard when they faced one another in the Youth Cup.You'll notice I'm not saying this about every young player and that's just a strawman you're usually better than.What exactly is the benefit?He's a top class talent who has a long association with this club, has shown leadership qualities at every age level, is homegrown but more importantly is an English national. Stuff like that matters to Chelsea supporters. Rambo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyalBlues 4,050 Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Could he play at pivot? And how about Baker? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Could he play at pivot? And how about Baker?Chalobah definitely, so can Baker. Chalobah would be the perfect Matic understudy, and Baker the perfect Fabregas understudy. Sidzeret, RoyalBlues and ja1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyalBlues 4,050 Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Chalobah definitely, so can Baker. Chalobah would be the perfect Matic understudy, and Baker the perfect Fabregas understudy.Glad to hear that, I don't have to worry too much if Mikel and Romeu go then. Hopefully, at least one of them will be in the squad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! The Skipper 20,609 Posted August 7, 2014 Popular Post! Share Posted August 7, 2014 http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/chelsea-plan-nathaniel-chalobah-transfer-4021086#.U-PyqWMzfGAPL loan (Burnley) for Chalobah! Brilliant. LAB, TorontoChelsea, Jusek and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAB 1,030 Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/chelsea-plan-nathaniel-chalobah-transfer-4021086#.U-PyqWMzfGAPL loan (Burnley) for Chalobah! Brilliant.Good news. seanptmiller, The Skipper and Vybz Kartel 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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