🇪🇨 25. Moisés Caicedo

[robsblubot 3,595]

12 hours ago, Reddish-Blue said:

Honestly felt like the board was just loading up a new save in football manager and signing every 4 and 5 star wonderkid hoping that they would pan out in 5 years time. 

🤣 that'd explain so much... FM for billionaires!

17 hours ago, Magic Lamps said:

I don’t get this outnumbered thing.

manure and us both played 4231

we had Enzo caicedo double pivot and Mudryk/Palmer as no 10

they had mctominay amra DP and penandes no 10

caicedo is just poor no matter which formation.

City have rodri, arse have rice, manure have mct. None of them cost remotely what caicedo did.  iMposing midfielders, taking responsibility, scoring important goals. Even endo and Douglas Luis are performing way better than Caicedo. Dude is just washed already at 22. Tons of money down the drain just like Cucurella, Mudryk, madueke, and all these other stupid signings from our daft board. 

I think the point is about the exact players you listed. They are both poor at defensive tasks; Palmer does not have the physique for that either, while Mudryk not the knowhow.

If we make an analogy with City, yes you can cite the one DM they employ, but I rather focus on what all the other players do when they defend. Point being that they defend in numbers, and that's, as I'm sure you know, always key. The moment you are outnumbered in areas in key areas of the pitch, it's trouble. The best teams manage to constantly outnumber the opposition: by having players capable of dribbling past players, and/or by strategy. However, even doing that by strategy demands certain characteristics, which I'm afraid isn't available in the squad right now.

During the match against United, it did look to me that we were outnumbered both in the middle and defense at times.

[lucio 5,418]

17 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Let's all hope so!!!

I believe him and santos will turn out very well. The other Brazilian kid we are after too.

caicedo seems very slow and weak too for someone who needs to rely on his physicality over technical skills 

[TheHulk 2,444]

58 minutes ago, lucio said:

I believe him and santos will turn out very well. The other Brazilian kid we are after too.

caicedo seems very slow and weak too for someone who needs to rely on his physicality over technical skills 

We have so many midfielders, one is bound to stick can't all be shit.

[Reddish-Blue 2,504]

5 hours ago, lucio said:

I believe him and santos will turn out very well. The other Brazilian kid we are after too.

caicedo seems very slow and weak too for someone who needs to rely on his physicality over technical skills 

I hope for Santos that we break the loan in January and get him some game time somewhere else. 

Was touted as a proper talent coming out of Brazil (think he was the u-20 captain or something like that as well)...and now he's apparently wasting 6 months in the Forest reserves...

[Clockwork 1,794]

Caicedo is not a holding midfielder, this is the problem. I was never quite high on him, but at the same we are playing him out of position. He is a Kante esque player.

 

[Thor 2,702]

Wow, crazy - this forum reacting after a short amount of games and writing someone/the team off? 

We look far better with Caceido on the field than we do when he doesn't play.

Our team is a project filled with great players. City just got outplayed by Villa and had 2 shots on goal, both of which came in the 11th minute. Man United just lost 3-0 to Bournemouth. 

We have a shit game in a stretch of 7 or 8 where we had great improvement, and it comes against a team we haven't done well historically against recently, and while we were absolutely depleted for numbers. 

Enzo and Caceido both worth it on an individual aspect. Just need to click and find what works within the team. You don't just outplay the likes of Arsenal, City, Tottenham, etc by mistake. 

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

On 09/12/2023 at 21:38, Thor said:

We have a shit game in a stretch of 7 or 8 where we had great improvement, and it comes against a team we haven't done well historically against recently, and while we were absolutely depleted for numbers. 

Enzo and Caceido both worth it on an individual aspect. Just need to click and find what works within the team. You don't just outplay the likes of Arsenal, City, Tottenham, etc by mistake. 

But you don’t just disappear by mistake in games against a poor poor Man Utd side, against Everton, Newcastle, Brentford etc either then by that logic?

Great improvement? Where? Which aspects? The results improved but barring the bigger games where we have been more of a counter attacking side (bar v Spurs but our quality wasn’t great and we struggled to break them down at times until late on…), performance wise, playing style wise, its been very very poor.

On the two lads in MF - Enzo hasn’t played remotely near well enough this season and neither has Caicedo. The team’s best performances have been where we have been the underdogs and played counter attacking football so if your telling me we’ve spent £220m on two midfielders who between the two of them do not have the ability to influence a team that is going to have the majority of the ball then yes I can see why people would be upset. 

If you had said 12 months ago we would be saying Connor Gallagher has been our stand out midfielder this season, people would have laughed. But he has been. By a considerable distance. Fair play to him but the other two have been incredibly poor from what is to be expected. 

Edited December 14, 2023 by OneMoSalah

[Vytis33 1,270]

 

[Fernando 6,585]

Yes I think they will get better but the problem is another season outside of CL. 

But it would only makes sense if by the end we improve and see progress with Poch. We can't end the way we ended last season. 

So that is the only thing I want to see, I still believe in Poch and he can improve so no need to sack as there's no  better one to replace him with at this moment in time. 

[TheHulk 2,444]

He gonna turn good. I'm not worried at all for our midfield looks set but the attack and defense..

Edited December 16, 2023 by TheHulk

[lucio 5,418]

Absolute embarrassment this lad. Slow and garbage on the ball. Should sell him 

[DH1988 1,348]

He looks so far removed from the player at Brighton it is actually insane. Reminds me of Torres, what we thought we were getting Vs what we got, criminal.

 

[TheHulk 2,444]

Shocking how much hate he gets considering he came a few months ago, yes he is playing bad but he is a much better player than this and I think he will rise again soon.

[TheHulk 2,444]

8 hours ago, lucio said:

Absolute embarrassment this lad. Slow and garbage on the ball. Should sell him 

Brighton leaking goals from everywhere this season, he definitely left a gap there.

[Thor 2,702]

13 hours ago, lucio said:

Absolute embarrassment this lad. Slow and garbage on the ball. Should sell him 

We outplayed City, Arsenal, Tottenham, and a few other top teams in the middle of the field. He was a large, large part of it. 

[lucio 5,418]

Watching his highlights from Brighton he looked sloppy and sluggish already. Just terrible recruitment 

[MoroccanBlue 5,382]

Too many times I see him completely isolated. 

[DDA 9,938]

10 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Too many times I see him completely isolated. 

Exactly. The midfield isn't set up properly.

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

Maybe midfield is not set up optimally but that does not change the fact that Caicedo just lacks the quality. He is nothing but pathetic 95% of games. He makes clownish errors every game, gives the ball away under no pressure , his passing range is steaky at best , he is slow and weak, his ability on the ball is U15 standard. We should accept he is a sunk cost. 

[MoroccanBlue 5,382]

Just now, Magic Lamps said:

Maybe midfield is not set up optimally but that does not change the fact that Caicedo just lacks the quality. He is nothing but pathetic 95% of games. He makes clownish errors every game, gives the ball away under no pressure , his passing range is steaky at best , he is slow and weak, his ability on the ball is U15 standard. We should accept he is a sunk cost. 

Disagree. Thought Caicedo did fine.