The Next Manager?

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

I don’t think we can improve with a new manager

the squad is just full of okish players without real quality in attack. Only true wc players are Thiago, Kante and Mendy. The rest is inconsistent. TT allowed us to play out of our socks in the cl last season. But we were only decent in the league just as we are this season. The problems are the same as under Lampard. The wc coach has added a few cups and maybe 10-15 pts per season but we need to invest heavily in a better squad to be the best over a full season  again. 

[MoroccanBlue 5,385]

Tuchel will only be a concern if he approves more absurd signings like Lukaku. 

Clear as day the issue is personnel Who gets into City or Liverpool's team? Not even Kante anymore considering his injury record. I'm expecting a massive fire sale in the summer with loads of players leaving on a free. 

Edited December 16, 2021 by MoroccanBlue

[Mário César 1,284]

Tuchel will be sacked only if Chelsea don't get top4. Only in that circunstances...

 

[Tomo 21,751]

We gave Sarri till the end of the season (and would have given him longer but he decided against it) after the two biggest defeats in two decades.

Unless we have an irreversible slide down the table like we did under Mou or Lamps, he at an absolute minimum will get the same.

[NikkiCFC 8,337]

12 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Clear as day the issue is personnel Who gets into City or Liverpool's team? Not even Kante anymore considering his injury record. 

I was joking with comment in this thread but I think we have great squad on paper. Mendy, Rudiger, Silva, Chilwell, James, Jorginho, Kante, Kovacic would all be in their teams or are similar level as their starting players.

Pep for example wanted Lukaku and Werner. Klopp wanted Pulisic and Werner also. Problem is that our players are underperforming. All attacking ones and last couple of weeks even defensive part.

Tuchel did not improve our attacking players. Klopp and Pep would this second swipe Firmino or Jesus for Kai.

What I would like now to see is that TT changes formation. Ok, we need Chilwell back for that but at one point he has to do it. 

Azpi will be dropped, I dont trust Chris in back 4 so Chalobah can be good pairing with Silva or Rudiger. Chilly and Jamas full backs. We have 3 great players for pivot and ffs play Kai as AM.

 

[NikkiCFC 8,337]

34 minutes ago, Tomo said:

We gave Sarri till the end of the season (and would have given him longer but he decided against it) after the two biggest defeats in two decades.

Sarri is only manager we had that I would trust in the long term. Conte and Jose always burn bridges at one point. Lampard was never good enough, TT is another who looks like short term and had similar problems in previous clubs so there is a pattern how this may end. Especially in Chelsea.

Ok Sarri wanted to go to Juve after transfer ban but he always makes his teams better season after season. There were some positive signs by the end of the season. But we will never find out what would happened.

Edited December 16, 2021 by NikkiCFC

[Blues11 213]

We will never be a fantastic offensive team with our shape and tactics under Tuchel. We're not built to look like City, Bayern, Liverpool, or some of the better offenses in the world. That's completely fine as we have shown we can still win when completely healthy. 

With what we have for a squad, Tuchel has done a marvelous job thus far. He deserves a lot of credit as we wrote off most of these players under Lampard.

But it's frustrating watching this team never make any adjustments or get more
players forward until the very end of the game.

We'll always be a team that can beat anyone in the world or lose on any given day because our brand of football is always defensive no matter who we play. 

 

 

[MoroccanBlue 5,385]

Can someone post direct links or articles claiming Pep wanted Lukaku?  

[NikkiCFC 8,337]

Most reliable Chelsea journalist quoting Lukaku agent. 

[Blues Forever 1,232]

1 hour ago, NikkiCFC said:

Most reliable Chelsea journalist quoting Lukaku agent. 

I doubt Guardiola really wanted him, Lukaku isn't his typical striker.

[Jase 43,479]

6 hours ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Tuchel will only be a concern if he approves more absurd signings like Lukaku. 

You said it as if the manager at Chelsea has a final say in transfers. Ultimately, it comes down to the board.

[NikkiCFC 8,337]

5 hours ago, Blues11 said:

We will never be a fantastic offensive team with our shape and tactics under Tuchel. We're not built to look like City, Bayern, Liverpool, or some of the better offenses in the world. 

 

Excuse me but I exactly want us to look like Bayern for example. Why not? 

Mendy is better than Neuer. And we have Kepa if you really want ball playing GK. He is similar to Manuel. 

James is great this season, easily over Pavard. Davies is amazing but dropped in form lately and Chilwell was also great before injury. Their CBs are all suspect, any of ours could walk in that team. Kimmich and Goretzka are world class but hey Jorginho and Kante are 3rd and 5th in ballon d'or. Highly rated. Kovacic was force before injury. Playing every game, 5 assists... 

They play Muller as AM, we could do the same with Havertz. They were compered before but Kai is way better. 

Wingers... They have Coman, Gnabry and Sane. We have Ziyech, Pulisic, CHO. Mount and Werner also occupy this position. So similar.

Lewandowski vs Lukaku is biggest difference but Rom is also someone with reputation of world class striker. We pay 100m for him after all. 

So in this 4231 setup Bayern is playing I really think we could do the same and be that offensive force. Really don't see quality differences in our squads. It's coaching and mindset. They were interested in many of our players we are not happy with. Pulisic, Havertz, Werner, CHO. Now Rudiger. I'm sure they would use them much better. 

                        Neuer 

Pavard Upamecano Sule Davies 

             Kimmich Goretzka 

        Sane      Muller      Gnabry 

                Lewandowski 

 

                 Mendy 

James Silva Rudiger Chilwell 

          Kante Jorginho 

Mount     Havertz     CHO 

                 Lukaku 

Also TT played 4231 and this total football already in Dortmund. I'm interested when he looks our squad does he think we have some weak spots that we cannot implement it here? 

I have been saying even last season that 3atb and the way we play is not sustainable long term. 

I really hope he makes these changes. 

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

7 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

Who else? We changed them all 🤣🤣

Jesus you took offence last time someone suggested you were hinting at Tuchel could get changed out and here we are again, reopening the next manager thread 🤣

 

Think some people are a bit forgetful in how much of a shambles we were as a collective prior to his arrival last season.

Ok this season, we’ve hit a rocky spell but we are still third, still in a very good position to be in the title race imo, wouldn’t panic.

Without Tuchel this team wouldn’t be anywhere near as good. Not surprised either when you’ve got 6 attackers who are inconsistent, not ruthless and somehow a few of them struggle to play together, you’re likely to drop points. 

 

Edited December 17, 2021 by OneMoSalah

[Blues Forever 1,232]

6 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

 

Excuse me but I exactly want us to look like Bayern for example. Why not? 

Mendy is better than Neuer. And we have Kepa if you really want ball playing GK. He is similar to Manuel. 

James is great this season, easily over Pavard. Davies is amazing but dropped in form lately and Chilwell was also great before injury. Their CBs are all suspect, any of ours could walk in that team. Kimmich and Goretzka are world class but hey Jorginho and Kante are 3rd and 5th in ballon d'or. Highly rated. Kovacic was force before injury. Playing every game, 5 assists... 

They play Muller as AM, we could do the same with Havertz. They were compered before but Kai is way better. 

Wingers... They have Coman, Gnabry and Sane. We have Ziyech, Pulisic, CHO. Mount and Werner also occupy this position. So similar.

Lewandowski vs Lukaku is biggest difference but Rom is also someone with reputation of world class striker. We pay 100m for him after all. 

So in this 4231 setup Bayern is playing I really think we could do the same and be that offensive force. Really don't see quality differences in our squads. It's coaching and mindset. They were interested in many of our players we are not happy with. Pulisic, Havertz, Werner, CHO. Now Rudiger. I'm sure they would use them much better. 

                        Neuer 

Pavard Upamecano Sule Davies 

             Kimmich Goretzka 

        Sane      Muller      Gnabry 

                Lewandowski 

 

                 Mendy 

James Silva Rudiger Chilwell 

          Kante Jorginho 

Mount     Havertz     CHO 

                 Lukaku 

Also TT played 4231 and this total football already in Dortmund. I'm interested when he looks our squad does he think we have some weak spots that we cannot implement it here? 

I have been saying even last season that 3atb and the way we play is not sustainable long term. 

I really hope he makes these changes. 

What a load of nonsense.

 

 

 

[NikkiCFC 8,337]

4 minutes ago, Blues Forever said:

What a load of nonsense.

I don't know if you wake up from years ago but Neuer is not the same as before. Mendy is in top3 GKs now by pretty much everyone. His competition are Alisson, Ederson, Donnarumma. Neuer dropped from top5.

About attacking players my point is that our players would produce similar numbers in their team. Pep didn’t really use Sane as a starter in PL? I would not want Coman here. He has similar value as Pulisic, Werner for example on transfermarkt and lower than Mount. My point is our attackers can be the same as theirs but they are not for some reason. Put CHO in Bundesliga, he would have Sancho numbers. 

Muller had great career but Kai is natural successor. Again, check his numbers in Bundesliga and how highly rated he is. 

Why are Havertz, Pulisic not our Muller and Gnabry? Because of quality? I don't think so. 

[Blues Forever 1,232]

5 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

I don't know if you wake up from years ago but Neuer is not the same as before. Mendy is in top3 GKs now by pretty much everyone. His competition are Alisson, Ederson, Donnarumma. Neuer dropped from top5.

Neuer isn't in his prime, but he is still among one of the top 5 Gks. He was arguably the best GK in 2020 and helped Bayern won sextuple. Currently the top 5 GKs are Courtois, Oblak, Alisson, Ederson, and Neuer. After that you have Navas, Donnarumma, Handanovic, Mendy, and Maignan in the top 10.

5 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

About attacking players my point is that our players would produce similar numbers in their team. Pep didn’t really use Sane as a starter in PL? I would not want Coman here. He has similar value as Pulisic, Werner for example on transfermarkt and lower than Mount. My point is our attackers can be the same as theirs but they are not for some reason. Put CHO in Bundesliga, he would have Sancho numbers. 

Really? Pulisic himself wasn't even prolific at Dortmund, there is no evidence CHO would even have Sancho numbers.

5 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

Muller had great career but Kai is natural successor. Again, check his numbers in Bundesliga and how highly rated he is. 

Why are Havertz, Pulisic not our Muller and Gnabry? Because of quality? I don't think so. 

I don't deny Havertz is highly rated, but you claimed Havertz is way better than Muller which clearly not true. Higher potential yes, but at the moment Muller all round game is still superior than Havertz.

Edited December 17, 2021 by Blues Forever

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

6 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

I don't know if you wake up from years ago but Neuer is not the same as before. Mendy is in top3 GKs now by pretty much everyone. His competition are Alisson, Ederson, Donnarumma. Neuer dropped from top5.

About attacking players my point is that our players would produce similar numbers in their team. Pep didn’t really use Sane as a starter in PL? I would not want Coman here. He has similar value as Pulisic, Werner for example on transfermarkt and lower than Mount. My point is our attackers can be the same as theirs but they are not for some reason. Put CHO in Bundesliga, he would have Sancho numbers. 

Muller had great career but Kai is natural successor. Again, check his numbers in Bundesliga and how highly rated he is. 

Why are Havertz, Pulisic not our Muller and Gnabry? Because of quality? I don't think so. 

Definitely quality related.

I don’t think its actually in doubt re quality, our guys have potential (CHO, Kai, Pulisic) but Sane, Muller, Gnabry, Coman all have got proven quality. I don’t buy that our guys would have similar numbers there and using Sancho as a comparison when he has played in one of the most dysfunctional PL footballing teams of the last 10 years with those quality of footballers is hardly a good barometer either. Even then we have seen good numbers don’t necessarily mean players will fit a style or system at other teams (Ziyech, Lukaku and Werner here) but at Bayern those guys, they are clearly in the mould or philosophy of players that suits a clear philosophy and project.

On Muller again, he has probably been the most written off footballer of the last 10 years, or one of them. I mean he has been a huge part of every successful Bayern Munich team he’s played in since 2009-10 playing virtually every position from number 8, number 10, on the wings and as a CF and Gnabry is well, Gnabry, his record since leaving Arsenal speaks for itself.

Those attackers they have, they have quality and they have consistency. And they suit the philosophy. 

Re Muller again - I don’t think people actually realise how much he has actually achieved. Like he isn’t maybe the best footballer in terms of his technical skills (not bad either though) etc but he has obviously got ability, huge footballing intelligence and almost 300 career goals for club and country, being a regular under every manager since van Gaal at Bayern. Winning a world cup, several CLs, several league titles etc. If Kai achieves half of what he has he will do very well. All good talking about Kai as a potential heir/generational talent/highly rated etc but we have also seen long term success isn’t a given for anyone (which whilst we are talking about Germany, Ozil is the perfect example- a player who I think is to this day is one of the most talented footballers that I have ever seen or for instance, in the PL, Wayne Rooney who started to go off the boil before he was 30 when he should of really continued and cemented his place as one of the best of his generation). You have to start doing it and keep doing it every season.

Plus on Sane, the season City won PL with record points, most wins, most away points, most goals and best goal difference, Sane played virtually every game and had double figure PL goals (10) and assists (15). That to date is renowned as Pep’s best team at City and one of the best PL teams of all time. 

Edited December 17, 2021 by OneMoSalah

[Warning_Hazard 156]

Fact is we cant really tell whats what as a large proportion of this squad wasnt picked by the manager, However he had a smashing time when he came in and has brought us stability and a great overall feel to the club and squad.

I'd question who he has greenlighted to come in but how much choice our managers really get is anybodys guess.

Last couple months has seen us spiral a bit but im fairly confident we will turn it around soon and def make top 4, But that is a minimum, The best way to judge is usally after xmas but with the title race still pretty close between 3 clubs ill remain patient until its totally lost.

Klopp took years to sort out liverpool ok had a load of dead wood but still, I think its far too early to be thinking of sacking TT

[milka 3,393]

Is it time for a new manager ?  😂we were late than usual 

 

[MoroccanBlue 5,385]

10 hours ago, Jase said:

You said it as if the manager at Chelsea has a final say in transfers. Ultimately, it comes down to the board.

Tuchel publicly stated he wanted a #9 who was a presence in the box and had his back against defenders. He then went on to praise the likes of Haaland, Lewa, Kane, and Lukaku.

From everything I've gathered, he pushed for this move. If this move sets us back, (which already has) he needs to be held accountable. 

Edited December 17, 2021 by MoroccanBlue