The Next Manager?

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31 minutes ago, Tautvix said:

Sarri has won nothing. Not sure why people are obsessed with him. Naples has played some nice football but it doesn't win you titles. Keeping Conte makes more sense (Ofc if he wants to stay).

You seriously think we can challenge next season with Conte at the helm? What's he gonna change? He doesn't have a plan B any more. We have been outplayed by Spurs and City at home and away, and that poor Arsenal side even outplayed us at times. If we were to challenge, I don't think Conte is the right man any longer.

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Mail is now running a story that Pep Guardiola will sign for Anzhi Makhachkala, 99% sure apparently. Waiting for Sky Nigeria to confirm this.

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25 minutes ago, It's too big said:

You seriously think we can challenge next season with Conte at the helm? What's he gonna change? He doesn't have a plan B any more. We have been outplayed by Spurs and City at home and away, and that poor Arsenal side even outplayed us at times. If we were to challenge, I don't think Conte is the right man any longer.

Well, the man didn't say that we will challenge with Conte on the bench. He said that it makes more sense to keep him than to bring Sarri. To be honest, I kind of agree and here are my arguments:

1. Conte already knows the league, the club. We've been through a crisis with him. If the board gives him another go, it means that he has their support. It would be a great sign of sanity from the club. 

2. For good and for worse, Conte won stuff and kept us hoping for UCL football until the very last game. The atmosphere was so toxic that this spring's accomplishments are not actually that bad. Remember that this is Chelsea we're talking about. Bigger names have fallen way worse than Conte this season, under better circumstances. 

3. Most of the issues in this relationship between Conte and Chelsea are due to his relationship with the board. Not the players, not the fans. If they can sort it out, maybe things will be way better next season.

4. We played great football at times (vs. Atletico in Madrid, vs. Barca away, vs. Spurs away, even vs. United in the FA Cup). He showed adaptability, but also a few flaws. He's still young, still learning. But see point 1. Continuity might be key here.

5. He always said that he's not happy with the transfers and with the squad. Our best players seems to agree with him. Hazard said that we need better players, nothing about better tactics or better manager. I tend to think that he knows better than we do what's behind the scenes. Back to the point, if Conte stays it means that things will improve on this aspect.

6. Like it or not, Conte is a bigger face and name than Sarri, who won nothing. Look at his European record. I'm not saying that Conte is way better, but I think he's more attractive to good players than Sarri. 

 

That would be it from me. I'm not 100% sure that sticking with Conte would be the right way, but I can see where Tautvix is coming from. The whole Sarri hype is unjustified. 

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Dont think it really matter what manager we get if the club wont back him properly in the market 

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Conte has been going through the motions since january. His attitude and demeanor on and off the pitch was night and day compared to before. 

Before he was jumping up and down the touchline screaming at players where to go while in the press conferences he would keep talking about working hard and fighting for the club.

Since january we've rarely seen that Conte. Kept talking about how he's getting the maximum out of this team and bitching about our transfer dealings.

Just seems like the fire Conte had in the beginning is gone and a Conte without that fire just isn't worth keeping around.

 

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51 minutes ago, Cosmin said:

Well, the man didn't say that we will challenge with Conte on the bench. He said that it makes more sense to keep him than to bring Sarri. To be honest, I kind of agree and here are my arguments:

1. Conte already knows the league, the club. We've been through a crisis with him. If the board gives him another go, it means that he has their support. It would be a great sign of sanity from the club. 

2. For good and for worse, Conte won stuff and kept us hoping for UCL football until the very last game. The atmosphere was so toxic that this spring's accomplishments are not actually that bad. Remember that this is Chelsea we're talking about. Bigger names have fallen way worse than Conte this season, under better circumstances. 

3. Most of the issues in this relationship between Conte and Chelsea are due to his relationship with the board. Not the players, not the fans. If they can sort it out, maybe things will be way better next season.

4. We played great football at times (vs. Atletico in Madrid, vs. Barca away, vs. Spurs away, even vs. United in the FA Cup). He showed adaptability, but also a few flaws. He's still young, still learning. But see point 1. Continuity might be key here.

5. He always said that he's not happy with the transfers and with the squad. Our best players seems to agree with him. Hazard said that we need better players, nothing about better tactics or better manager. I tend to think that he knows better than we do what's behind the scenes. Back to the point, if Conte stays it means that things will improve on this aspect.

6. Like it or not, Conte is a bigger face and name than Sarri, who won nothing. Look at his European record. I'm not saying that Conte is way better, but I think he's more attractive to good players than Sarri. 

 

That would be it from me. I'm not 100% sure that sticking with Conte would be the right way, but I can see where Tautvix is coming from. The whole Sarri hype is unjustified. 

1. Bigger issue is the league knows him better. The reason he was wildly successful in his first season was due to the fact the league was unprepared for him and was still adjusting to his tactics and mainly formation. The league has figured him out, and next year the league will be mored adjusted to him. If he is retained that doesn't necessarily mean the board support him. More likely if he is retained is due to financial reasons.

2. Not sure this is a good argument for Conte, the better argument you could make that Conte should have been sacked earlier in the season. If he was sacked we could have been secured a CL comfortably with the way Liverpool and Spuds were self destructing. 

3. What makes you think there is no issues with the players. He sold our best striker at the beginning of the season, and casted out David Luiz. In fact you could make a much more compelling case most of the players are tired of him. Even Cahill wouldn't back him publicly after the FA cup. Conte will always blame the board that is what he always do, he did the same shit at Juventus. Juve are arguably one of the best managed clubs, and he hated them and blamed them anytime his signing failed. 

4. Not going to respond to this, just going to say the football we played this season is the worst i have seen as a Chelsea fan. 

5. Actually if you believe writers like Matt Law and Simon Johnson, Hazard does not want to play for Conte. The issue is Conte doesn't know what better players are, Morata and Bakayoko were his primary target and they awfully disappointed. Our issue is not spending like Conte wants us to believe. It is shit signing like Morata, Bakayoko, Drinkwater, Zippacosta, Alonso, etc. 

6. This is an awful take, Sarri would be a much more disarable coach to play under. His tactics are what the majority of footballers want to play under. Look at the players at Napoli how much they improved under him, imagine what he could do with some of the best talents in the world. This is by the far biggest issue i see with Conte, i can't imagine top players wanting to play under him. He stays Hazard is gone, and so is Willian. The only players he will sign is more donkeys. 

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9 minutes ago, Special Juan said:

 

Eh? He's out of contract and they already have Ancelotti, no? 

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11 minutes ago, Special Juan said:

 

This dude reliable?

[Tomo 21,733]

1 hour ago, Cosmin said:

Well, the man didn't say that we will challenge with Conte on the bench. He said that it makes more sense to keep him than to bring Sarri. To be honest, I kind of agree and here are my arguments:

1. Conte already knows the league, the club. We've been through a crisis with him. If the board gives him another go, it means that he has their support. It would be a great sign of sanity from the club. 

2. For good and for worse, Conte won stuff and kept us hoping for UCL football until the very last game. The atmosphere was so toxic that this spring's accomplishments are not actually that bad. Remember that this is Chelsea we're talking about. Bigger names have fallen way worse than Conte this season, under better circumstances. 

3. Most of the issues in this relationship between Conte and Chelsea are due to his relationship with the board. Not the players, not the fans. If they can sort it out, maybe things will be way better next season.

4. We played great football at times (vs. Atletico in Madrid, vs. Barca away, vs. Spurs away, even vs. United in the FA Cup). He showed adaptability, but also a few flaws. He's still young, still learning. But see point 1. Continuity might be key here.

5. He always said that he's not happy with the transfers and with the squad. Our best players seems to agree with him. Hazard said that we need better players, nothing about better tactics or better manager. I tend to think that he knows better than we do what's behind the scenes. Back to the point, if Conte stays it means that things will improve on this aspect.

6. Like it or not, Conte is a bigger face and name than Sarri, who won nothing. Look at his European record. I'm not saying that Conte is way better, but I think he's more attractive to good players than Sarri. 

 

That would be it from me. I'm not 100% sure that sticking with Conte would be the right way, but I can see where Tautvix is coming from. The whole Sarri hype is unjustified. 

Does it make more sense though? Keeping Conte may look relatively risk free by comparison to other appointments on the face of it, but scratching the surface keeping him is probably the biggest risk we can take and all the evidence suggests it just simply isn't a risk worth taking. In Fact the arguments for keeping Conte and not appointing Sarri are alarmingly similar to the arguments that we should have kept Jose and not risked it with Conte, your first points were made numerous times in Jose's defense when his days looked numbered. 

How many times at Chelsea or any club has things stagnated like they have with us and it got better again? City gave Pellegrini a chance to rectify a miserable title defense and they got even worse. Milan started well under Allegri, gave him ample chance to turn things round when things went stale, but they got worse. I can't think of one example of a manager who was great at the start, but things stagnated then got better again and given the history of this situation, Conte's stubbornness with his tactics and his constant fallings out with players and board members, all the evidence points to us getting worse if we keep him, not better.

He has basically replicated Wengers spell at Arsenal in two years (and skipping the 4th place finishes), first season he revolutionised the club and changed the way English teams play and approach things (like Wenger did in his Highbury days) then this season he has got caught up and overtook, just simply didn't have another reaction up his sleeve and has been left trailing his wake but had an FA Cup to get him out of jail (just like Wenger of 2014 onwards).

The reality is we will likely get worse if we keep Conte and we need to act before things seriously stagnate. I thank him for that amazing 16/17 season (it was genuinely up there with the back to back titles in terms of the sheer confidence i had in us) but the milk has gone stale.

Now onto the point with Sarri, yes he is a risk but he is a calculated one. Also judging managers on previous silverware is a bit of a moot points these days considering the two most decorated managers available are Ancelotti and Wenger, one gets repeatedly fired at top clubs for the same flaws and the other well enough said.

He may have won nothing yet but he has shown he can get teams competing playing great football on a short budget. We aren't as brassic as Conte and some of his apologists try and make out but we certainly are not competing with the Manchester clubs in the market any time soon. Conte has made it abundantly clear he isn't having that, Sarri is a big believer in developing players, the same way we are trying to play down the ability of some of our players playing in a system of Sarri's, Napoli fans were laughing hysterically at the thought of Koulibaly being made into a composed ball playing CB back in 2015. Appointing ready made managers for a title or two worked for a while, but if were looking at competing in the long run, we need to get a style implemented for two key reasons.

1. The high pressing, all energy attacking style is becoming the way to go in the modern game just like the solid shape and counter was in the 00's. Despite finishing second United are looking in serious trouble and with the famous Mou third season coming up and all other top 6 having progressive managers next season, would you bet against them falling back down to 6th? or worse if he hysterically has another 15/16.

2. Our academy sides play the type of game Sarri does. At the minute the disconnection between the first team and the academy in terms of play style is alarming, someone like Sarri coming in and bridging that gap will surely help in terms of the best youngsters progressing to the first team. The Academy is the one thing we have over the clubs that are/can spend more money than us, and at some point we have to make it count.

Even if Sarri last for two years and wins nothing, there's every chance he could still be key in transitioning us into a wonderful new era and for me he is absolutely worth the gamble.

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26 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

This dude reliable?

No, not according to twitter 

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Courtois 

Azpi -- Rudiger/another -  Christensen /Coulibaly - Alonso/Emerson/another

-----Kanté

----Jorginho/Fabregas  --RLC/Seri  

Martial/Bailey - Lewandowski/Giroud -Hazard

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1 hour ago, Tomo said:

Does it make more sense though? Keeping Conte may look relatively risk free by comparison to other appointments on the face of it, but scratching the surface keeping him is probably the biggest risk we can take and all the evidence suggests it just simply isn't a risk worth taking. In Fact the arguments for keeping Conte and not appointing Sarri are alarmingly similar to the arguments that we should have kept Jose and not risked it with Conte, your first points were made numerous times in Jose's defense when his days looked numbered. 

How many times at Chelsea or any club has things stagnated like they have with us and it got better again? City gave Pellegrini a chance to rectify a miserable title defense and they got even worse. Milan started well under Allegri, gave him ample chance to turn things round when things went stale, but they got worse. I can't think of one example of a manager who was great at the start, but things stagnated then got better again and given the history of this situation, Conte's stubbornness with his tactics and his constant fallings out with players and board members, all the evidence points to us getting worse if we keep him, not better.

He has basically replicated Wengers spell at Arsenal in two years (and skipping the 4th place finishes), first season he revolutionised the club and changed the way English teams play and approach things (like Wenger did in his Highbury days) then this season he has got caught up and overtook, just simply didn't have another reaction up his sleeve and has been left trailing his wake but had an FA Cup to get him out of jail (just like Wenger of 2014 onwards).

The reality is we will likely get worse if we keep Conte and we need to act before things seriously stagnate. I thank him for that amazing 16/17 season (it was genuinely up there with the back to back titles in terms of the sheer confidence i had in us) but the milk has gone stale.

Now onto the point with Sarri, yes he is a risk but he is a calculated one. Also judging managers on previous silverware is a bit of a moot points these days considering the two most decorated managers available are Ancelotti and Wenger, one gets repeatedly fired at top clubs for the same flaws and the other well enough said.

He may have won nothing yet but he has shown he can get teams competing playing great football on a short budget. We aren't as brassic as Conte and some of his apologists try and make out but we certainly are not competing with the Manchester clubs in the market any time soon. Conte has made it abundantly clear he isn't having that, Sarri is a big believer in developing players, the same way we are trying to play down the ability of some of our players playing in a system of Sarri's, Napoli fans were laughing hysterically at the thought of Koulibaly being made into a composed ball playing CB back in 2015. Appointing ready made managers for a title or two worked for a while, but if were looking at competing in the long run, we need to get a style implemented for two key reasons.

1. The high pressing, all energy attacking style is becoming the way to go in the modern game just like the solid shape and counter was in the 00's. Despite finishing second United are looking in serious trouble and with the famous Mou third season coming up and all other top 6 having progressive managers next season, would you bet against them falling back down to 6th? or worse if he hysterically has another 15/16.

2. Our academy sides play the type of game Sarri does. At the minute the disconnection between the first team and the academy in terms of play style is alarming, someone like Sarri coming in and bridging that gap will surely help in terms of the best youngsters progressing to the first team. The Academy is the one thing we have over the clubs that are/can spend more money than us, and at some point we have to make it count.

Even if Sarri last for two years and wins nothing, there's every chance he could still be key in transitioning us into a wonderful new era and for me he is absolutely worth the gamble.

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Nah! That would be horrible for us. We will lose our fear factor and become a club like Arsenal/Spurs

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Just now, Blusan Alamb said:

Nah! That would be horrible for us. We will lose our fear factor and become a club like Arsenal/Spurs

Not necessarily, City won one league cup in three years and never lost their's. Arsenal have won 3 FA Cups in 4 years yet no one's scared of them.

The fact is, there's is no guarantee we will win anything even if we go for the "safe" option.

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Thanks Maurizio for everything blah blah blah, you did an amazin job blah blah. Thanks Maurizio. Blah 

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https://mobile.twitter.com/ADeLaurentiis/status/999319823686492161

Can someone help me with Google translate? Im on my phone. I think ADL says thank you and byebye to Sarri.