Noni Madueke

[YorkshireBlue 3,264]

On 29/09/2023 at 14:37, TheHulk said:

PSV didn't rob us we robbed ourselves everyone who watched him for a bit could tell from a mile off he isn't a great talent. Shocking how they decided to go for him.

Isn't this the same player that absolutely bossed it for England u21s? To say he isn't a great talent at 21 is like calling a joiner apprentice shit at his job. Got to give these players a real chance, if you were that great at spotting talent you wouldn't be on here. Have your opinion that's fine but don't act like your eye for talent is brilliant, you was the one screaming for the Enzo deal to be done, and let's be honest so far I'm no more impressed with Enzo than I am Caicedo.

[Vesper 30,090]

4 hours ago, YorkshireBlue said:

so far I'm no more impressed with Enzo than I am Caicedo

agreed with it all right up until that

[Vegetable 830]

6 hours ago, YorkshireBlue said:

Isn't this the same player that absolutely bossed it for England u21s? To say he isn't a great talent at 21 is like calling a joiner apprentice shit at his job. Got to give these players a real chance, if you were that great at spotting talent you wouldn't be on here. Have your opinion that's fine but don't act like your eye for talent is brilliant, you was the one screaming for the Enzo deal to be done, and let's be honest so far I'm no more impressed with Enzo than I am Caicedo.

It's a shame there was no time and opportunity to properly sort out the Strasbourg thing first due to mad nature of this takeover.

All that "potential" and young, young players policy thing could create a really competitive team in French league and with proper culture and people, could help those players grow and filter the potential-only ones. Meanwhile being thrown from showing some moves in U21 and having potential in Netherlands to Chelsea's first team is a crazy task to bear, as pressure is immense and room for mistake is non-existent. Let aside fact it's a downgrade for the team as a whole and I doubt fans love this move backwards. Would we say any of our players have something to warrant Chelsea move like 2 years ago? Maybe Enzo if the price was right (it wasn't) and Badsman as it's very Marina-esque deal.

Owners can try to sell the current situation as exciting and hungry project or whatever, but truth is, a lot of things that are about to happen in next years should have been done on lower levels - some of those guys literally have to learn football and Chelsea's first team is not quite the place for doing it as it may damage either the club and those players.

[robsblubot 3,595]

2 hours ago, Vegetable said:

some of those guys literally have to learn football and Chelsea's first team is not quite the place for doing it as it may damage either the club and those players.

Couldn't agree more. We need to at least agree on that, a. Chelsea is a big club (money alone proves that) and that b. the Premiere League is one of, if not the, most competitive league in the world. Add those up, and really, what a player did or did not do at U21 matters little to nothing.

Seen so many U21 "talents" fail to even become footballers that it's not funny. Forget about knowhow, there is a HUGE physical gap between senior and u21 players; u21 is also NOT a leveled playing field: sometimes players who develop a bit early, area tall and strong, have a big advantage going against smaller weaker and younger players, that advantage vanishes in the senior team.

I'm far from being the U21 police 😅 but it's really a questionable argument to make at this level.

[YorkshireBlue 3,264]

13 hours ago, Vesper said:

agreed with it all right up until that

Sorry but, at this moment watching them play side by side, that doesn't look like a 220 million pound pair. Both so far have been sub par for a 100m price tag.

[Reddish-Blue 2,489]

2 hours ago, YorkshireBlue said:

Sorry but, at this moment watching them play side by side, that doesn't look like a 220 million pound pair. Both so far have been sub par for a 100m price tag.

To think we spent all that money and we couldn't bring in a single reliable attacker to be the focal point up front. 

I'm more concerned about how Sterling/Mudryk/Madueke and co are going to justify their price tags as I don't think any of them get anywhere near 10 league goals this season. 

[Vesper 30,090]

4 hours ago, YorkshireBlue said:

Sorry but, at this moment watching them play side by side, that doesn't look like a 220 million pound pair. Both so far have been sub par for a 100m price tag.

far far too soon to make that call

[James 5,287]

 

[lucio 5,418]

looked excellent in the highlights vs serbia. not just the goals

[robsblubot 3,595]

21yo Chelsea player who is day in and day out in the senior team is doing well in U21 against kids.... congrats. 😆

No seriously, it's disappointing that he's even playing at u21... Enzo was winning a WC for Argentina at 21! Caicedo plays for Ecuador, not Ecuador u21.

Edited October 16, 2023 by robsblubot

[Vytis33 1,261]

Never a good sign when the manager publicly says you’re not training up to the standards 

 

 

[DH1988 1,346]

4 minutes ago, Vytis33 said:

Never a good sign when the manager publicly says you’re not training up to the standards 

 

 

Fair for fans wondering why he isn't playing, shape up or ship out Noni, less parties, perhaps.

[NikkiCFC 8,286]

7 minutes ago, DH1988 said:

Fair for fans wondering why he isn't playing, shape up or ship out Noni, less parties, perhaps.

With Palmer around and guys like Paez, Angelo, Hutchinson coming he will never break into the team. This is pretty clear. Pointless signing. Same with Broja, won't make it here. Loan next season to raise their price and sell. 

[nyikolajevics 2,690]

12 minutes ago, DH1988 said:

Fair for fans wondering why he isn't playing, shape up or ship out Noni, less parties, perhaps.

Really? I think everybody who seen him 2-3 times can tell why he isn’t playing for Chelsea. Simply not good enough, I cannot even see what he is supposed to be good at. He has some skills and finishing, but definetly nothing execptional, and his overall work / defending is way below the standards, even nowadays. 
 

Palmer, Colwill or Caicedo are also not perfect, but at least with them one can see where we are going, and they really need minutes to mature up. Madueke or Broja, you can see even their sight on the field or passing / ball handling is weak, just not this level.

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

6 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

With Palmer around and guys like Paez, Angelo, Hutchinson coming he will never break into the team. This is pretty clear. Pointless signing. Same with Broja, won't make it here. Loan next season to raise their price and sell. 

I don’t understand it either but with our medical team someone is always out so we need at least 2 for every position. Also they are still young and could still be converted to wingers if they have the pace. 

5 hours ago, nyikolajevics said:

Really? I think everybody who seen him 2-3 times can tell why he isn’t playing for Chelsea. Simply not good enough, I cannot even see what he is supposed to be good at. He has some skills and finishing, but definetly nothing execptional, and his overall work / defending is way below the standards, even nowadays. 
 

Palmer, Colwill or Caicedo are also not perfect, but at least with them one can see where we are going, and they really need minutes to mature up. Madueke or Broja, you can see even their sight on the field or passing / ball handling is weak, just not this level.

The only thing going for Noni is that he is left footed. Pace and skill we have enough already. Granted Noni was very unlucky in some games where he hit the woodwork repeatedly. 
 

palmer and Colwill I agree they will be class. Esp how Palmer already assumes responsibility is impressive .

 But Caicedo I think ppl are in the denial stage. He is exactly as mediocre as most on here feared when we splashed out that absurd fee. Average player with average talent, potential and mid ceiling. I can see why ppl don’t want to give up on him simply bc we invested so much. That price tag alone will ensure he will have hundreds of opportunities and as many false dawns. But the talent is just not there. The sooner one accepts this the less it hurts. At best he will become sth like our Granit xhaka.