Graham Potter Thread

[Cosmin 2,484]

2 minutes ago, Clockwork said:

Enrique 100x.

Why? I am seriously trying to find a reason why Enrique is a good option. 

If what he's done at Barcelona is a reason, then why not add Ernesto Valverde into the mix as well?

I could even argue that Valverde managed to win the league and Spanish cup with a much worse team than what Enrique had at his disposal. 

[lucio 5,418]

1 minute ago, Cosmin said:

Why? I am seriously trying to find a reason why Enrique is a good option. 

If what he's done at Barcelona is a reason, then why not add Ernesto Valverde into the mix as well?

I could even argue that Valverde managed to win the league and Spanish cup with a much worse team than what Enrique had at his disposal. 

Champions League winner goes hard. no one's gonna care about copa del Rey 

[Clockwork 1,794]

2 minutes ago, Cosmin said:

Why? I am seriously trying to find a reason why Enrique is a good option. 

If what he's done at Barcelona is a reason, then why not add Ernesto Valverde into the mix as well?

I could even argue that Valverde managed to win the league and Spanish cup with a much worse team than what Enrique had at his disposal. 

Enrique is a much better manager, he has the highest win percentage in Barcelona history. How you comparing him to Valverde lol.

[Cosmin 2,484]

4 minutes ago, lucio said:

Champions League winner goes hard. 

Di Matteo managed to win that too and then his career fell off to the point of becoming non-existent. Different circumstances, but it is not the ultimate reason why one is a good manager. It's been 8 years since Enrique won the UCL. What has he done since? Nothing. 

1 minute ago, Clockwork said:

Enrique is a much better manager, he has the highest win percentage in Barcelona history. How you comparing him to Valverde lol.

OK, then what has he achieved since leaving Barcelona almost 6 years ago? 

Edited April 4, 2023 by Cosmin

[Mário César 1,280]

11 minutes ago, Clockwork said:

Took spurs to the top 4? Wow such achievement. 

Conte is a one trick pony, that focuses on short term result, things will implode and you have to rebuild again.

Enrique 100x.

loooool

if you take the context, get spurs to 4th place was a very good archievment 

[Pizy 18,944]

Tbf to Enrique with the Spain NT, weren’t they very solid leading up to the WC and one of the dark horse choices for many people to make some serious progress in the tournament? He was in a bit of an unenviable position of trying to coach a national team in transition. Having a bunch of older guys from the glory days who are well past their best together with some new players who are nowhere close to as good as the Iniesta, Xavi, David Silva etc days.

His Spain side were incredibly boring to watch but I put that down to subpar talent more than his coaching.

I’m not really sure how I’d feel about him here.

[lucio 5,418]

3 minutes ago, Cosmin said:

Di Matteo managed to win that too and then his career fell off to the point of becoming non-existent. Different circumstances, but it is not the ultimate reason why one is a good manager. It's been 8 years since Enrique won the UCL. What has he done since? Nothing. 

OK, then what has he achieved since leaving Barcelona almost 6 years ago? 

Took time off then managed Spain. 

[Mário César 1,280]

3 minutes ago, Pizy said:

Tbf to Enrique with the Spain NT, weren’t they very solid leading up to the WC and one of the dark horse choices for many people to make some serious progress in the tournament? He was in a bit of an unenviable position of trying to coach a national team in transition. Having a bunch of older guys from the glory days who are well past their best together with some new players who are nowhere close to as good as the Iniesta, Xavi, David Silva etc days.

His Spain side were incredibly boring to watch but I put that down to subpar talent more than his coaching.

I’m not really sure how I’d feel about him here.

the only won that is obvious that give us results is conte

others names I have doubts

[Cosmin 2,484]

12 minutes ago, Pizy said:

Tbf to Enrique with the Spain NT, weren’t they very solid leading up to the WC and one of the dark horse choices for many people to make some serious progress in the tournament? He was in a bit of an unenviable position of trying to coach a national team in transition. Having a bunch of older guys from the glory days who are well past their best together with some new players who are nowhere close to as good as the Iniesta, Xavi, David Silva etc days.

His Spain side were incredibly boring to watch but I put that down to subpar talent more than his coaching.

I’m not really sure how I’d feel about him here.

The fact that he left out every player from Real Madrid didn't really help either.

Edited April 4, 2023 by Cosmin

[Jype 6,398]

4 hours ago, Strike said:

Fair enough. They did struggle in the WC but he's the closest in ideas, style to Pep. I'd take him over Nagelsmann - will Nagelsmann who is 35 and younger than Potter work with this squad?

I don't see how Nagelsmann's age should be a problem, he's a very experienced manager for his age.

He already has seven years as a manager in a top league and his teams have also been involved in the UCL for the last five seasons. To put it into context, Nagelsmann at 35 has managed more games in the UCL than Tuchel had when he first became Chelsea manager.

There's a huge difference between Nagelsmann's top level experience to Potter's pre-Chelsea record which was only three years at Brighton. Nagelsmann's CV to date absolutely commands more respect from the players than Potter's did.

Nagelsmann is by no means a sure bet but neither is Enrique.

Edited April 4, 2023 by Jype

[Gundalf 806]

49 minutes ago, lucio said:

Champions League winner goes hard. no one's gonna care about copa del Rey 

Even Sam Allardyce would win something with this team. 

[Gundalf 806]

Enrique is like Zidane. They are managers and extremely good at managing a developed group of worldclass players to make them perform well. But they arent coaches, they dont develop raw players. 

There is a reason why Enrique took the Spain job instead of another club football job, bc there he can do the same - manage a group of developed worldclass players. 

But sorry, this Chelsea team desperately needs coaching, we have so many raw young players to develop, not to manage. 

Edited April 4, 2023 by Gundalf

[Pizy 18,944]

With Conte clearly not in consideration at all, having had a couple of days to think on it it’s either Nags or Poch for me. Enrique, Amorim, Glasner etc are either too risky coming from much smaller clubs for the first time or simply may not be good enough in Enrique’s case. 

With either Nagelsmann or Poch we at least know that our players will receive top class coaching which they desperately need. Having an idea, having structure. 

[Gundalf 806]

1 minute ago, Pizy said:

With Conte clearly not in consideration at all, having had a couple of days to think on it it’s either Nags or Poch for me. Enrique, Amorim, Glasner etc are either too risky coming from much smaller clubs for the first time or simply may not be good enough in Enrique’s case. 

With either Nagelsmann or Poch we at least know that our players will receive top class coaching which they desperately need. Having an idea, having structure. 

Enrique lacks development skills

Nagelsmann lacks management skills

Maybe we should hire both 🤣

Or maybe, its hard for me to say this, Poch is the reasonable compromise, combining both to a certain degree.

[Blue Armour 4,448]

Regarding Poch...I never wanted him because of the Spurs connection and the fact that he seemed to embody that loser choker attitude that club had.

BUT, that being said.., even serial winners like Mourinho & Conte were made to look like shite in that Spurs team.

So who knows?

[cosmicway 1,333]

Is it possible Boehly waited till Tuchel went to some other club before sacking Potter ?

Edited April 4, 2023 by cosmicway

[Cosmin 2,484]

1 minute ago, Blue Armour said:

Regarding Poch...I never wanted him because of the Spurs connection and the fact that he seemed to embody that loser choker attitude that club had.

BUT, that being said.., even serial winners like Mourinho & Conte were made to look like shite in that Spurs team.

So who knows?

I was about to say that Pochettino showed big weaknesses at PSG too, but PSG is basically a richer Tottenham so yeah...

[Blue Armour 4,448]

Aside from the usual suspects of Enrique, Naggelsman, Poch...are there any other out of the box, not-big-name contenders?

After all, this group selected Potter, who is far from an orthodox appointment. Any chance they might do something similar again?

Edited April 4, 2023 by Blue Armour

[TheHulk 2,478]

So now you want experience after Potter had done fuck all in his managerial career.

[TheHulk 2,478]