Chelsea Transfers

[We Hate Scouse 10,286]

24 minutes ago, Syltherin said:

if we compare all new CB signing from the top club,,we can see Kounde and White have the best prospect to shine this season...

 

Interesting to see his aerial duels won compared to the others, especially with the current concern about his height.

[Jype 6,398]

22 minutes ago, Jas said:

Having said that, would be surprised if Sevilla drop the asking price (aka release clause fee) so much for supposedly one of the best young CBs, regardless of whether a player is included in the deal or not. 

They accepted €25M + Lamela from Spurs for Bryan Gil who's supposedly a really good talent and had a release clause of €50M. Lamela is for sure not worth €25M so that means Sevilla had to settle for an overall package a good €10-15M less than the release clause because they're in some financial trouble.

If I had to guess Sevilla would take €60M cash for Koundé but with a player exchange it would probably be somewhere around Zouma + €30M. Zouma should probably be valued around €25-30M, which is in line with the club's rumored asking price and the player's valuation on Transfermarkt (€32M). 

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30 minutes ago, Syltherin said:

if we compare all new CB signing from the top club,,we can see Kounde and White have the best prospect to shine this season...

I dislike this kind of statistics because playing for Real Madrid or Brighton are two completely different things so comparing for example Varane and White on defensive stats (tackles, interceptions, clearances etc.) is pointless. Of course the CB playing for a bottom level club will have more defensive actions per game than one playing for a team who control most of their games on the opposition half.

That said, on an individual level without comparing to the others Koundé comes across really impressive in almost all metrics. I could see him fitting really well in the RCB role.

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11 minutes ago, Jype said:

They accepted €25M + Lamela from Spurs for Bryan Gil who's supposedly a really good talent and had a release clause of €50M. Lamela is for sure not worth €25M so that means Sevilla had to settle for an overall package a good €10-15M less than the release clause because they're in some financial trouble.

If I had to guess Sevilla would take €60M cash for Koundé but with a player exchange it would probably be somewhere around Zouma + €30M. Zouma should probably be valued around €25-30M, which is in line with the club's rumored asking price and the player's valuation on Transfermarkt (€32M). 

Not going to sit here and argue whether Lamela is worth €25 million or not but Sevilla and Spurs seemed to work on the basis that Gil was worth €50 million because of the release clause and Spurs threw in Lamela to basically drive the price down. Romano said that Kounde has €80 million as his release clause but the club aren't prepared to pay that fee and hence why they tried to include Emerson but failed and now they're trying to include Zouma into the deal. Based on that, it seems like €80 million is the asking price for Kounde and the club are trying to get the price down. Maybe Sevilla will lower the fee a little or maybe not, since we're rich and all, but I guess we'll find out soon enough. 

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9 minutes ago, Jas said:

Not going to sit here and argue whether Lamela is worth €25 million or not but Sevilla and Spurs seemed to work on the basis that Gil was worth €50 million because of the release clause and Spurs threw in Lamela to basically drive the price down. Romano said that Kounde has €80 million as his release clause but the club aren't prepared to pay that fee and hence why they tried to include Emerson but failed and now they're trying to include Zouma into the deal. Based on that, it seems like €80 million is the asking price for Kounde and the club are trying to get the price down. Maybe Sevilla will lower the fee a little or maybe not, since we're rich and all, but I guess we'll find out soon enough. 

Yeah, we'll see what happens.

As for the player valuations, Lamela is definitely not worth €25M and that doesn't even need arguing. On Transfermarkt he was listed at €16M and while that seems quite fair I doubt any club would have paid even that much for him in the current financial climate. Zouma is listed at €32M which seems fair as well, and in a straight cash transfer he could go for a bit less than that.

If Lamela's value in the exchange transfer somehow got inflated to €25M we shouldn't even consider Zouma being valued at a penny less than €40M in any part-exchange deal if we're counting his value against Koundé's release clause of €80M. Even then we'd be looking at a maximum of Zouma + €40M to make it happen.

Edited July 28, 2021 by Jype

[King Kante 1,483]

1 hour ago, Magic Lamps said:

It is supposed to be a buyers market yet we decide to splash out 50m+ for a position we are not even in desperate need despite better alternatives being available for half the money. The board is getting dumber each year. 

CB is a bit of a funny area, as whilst it looks ok for this season, next it is potentially a disaster: 

AC: Out of contract 

Rudi: Out of contract 

Silva: Out of contract and old

Dave: Out of contract 

Zouma: Only one year left and not a fit for the system. 

Ampadu: Is he good enough? 

Sarr: Is he good enough? 

When you read the above it becomes even more questionable how both Guehi and Tomori were sold as we have 4 CB's out of contract, 1 not a fit for TT's system and another two who may never be good enough. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Jas said:

Okay, my brain was definitely broken last night. Read that as Sevilla want around 50m plus a player rather than 50m OR less money plus a player. 😅🤦‍♂️

Having said that, would be surprised if Sevilla drop the asking price (aka release clause fee) so much for supposedly one of the best young CBs, regardless of whether a player is included in the deal or not. 

A lot of other countries won't have been propped up as well as the Prem with nearly 18 months of no fans, so I can understand dropping below the release clause if Sevilla need to sell and raise funds. 

Also if reports are true, Spurs were in talks but he rejected them. I very much doubt they would have come anywhere near his release clause so probably around £50m as a starting point may sound about right.

I suppose if they were to receive £20-30m + Zouma and have also received around £20m + Lamela for Gil then they've actually raised some good funds and gained two decent players to fill those gaps immediately.

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1 hour ago, Magic Lamps said:

It is supposed to be a buyers market yet we decide to splash out 50m+ for a position we are not even in desperate need despite better alternatives being available for half the money. The board is getting dumber each year. 

Or are we taking advantage of the current climate?

Whatever your thoughts are of Kounde, there is no doubting how highly rated he is by Sevilla and in a normal situation without Covid, I would expect them to be holding out for as close to, if not in full, his release clause. If we are able to buy him for a good amount underneath this clause and he has ranked highly among long term defensive targets then it probably does make sense to do this now. If Zouma, a player who has been nothing more than a backup under Tuchel, helps drive the price down even further then it probably makes the deal even more attractive to the club.

We're once again unlikely to be competing with Madrid and Barcelona who could very well be in for him otherwise, given people's thoughts of him in Spain so it's taking an opportunity that the market has presented.

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5 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

Also if reports are true, Spurs were in talks but he rejected them. I very much doubt they would have come anywhere near his release clause so probably around £50m as a starting point may sound about right.

But how far did Spurs get into negotiating with Sevilla though? If they already got rejected by Kounde first, then the point about Spurs wouldn't have come close to his release clause is kinda moot.

But even if that's not the case, someone else here mentioned that Spurs wanted to throw in Davinson Sanchez into the deal and his market value is €32 million (if one takes the transfermarkt evaluation). 

10 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

I suppose if they were to receive £20-30m + Zouma and have also received around £20m + Lamela for Gil then they've actually raised some good funds and gained two decent players to fill those gaps immediately.

That may be true but one could also argue that there's a big difference between having a €50 million release clause and €80 million release clause. The €30 million difference is a lot, especially if Sevilla are really struggling with the finances and knowing that we're rich and all, they would want to try and squeeze out as much money out of us as possible. 

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8 hours ago, Pizy said:

If he’s good enough to be considered for Real Madrid he’s good enough for Chelsea.

Kepa laughs at that. 

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7 minutes ago, Jas said:

But how far did Spurs get into negotiating with Sevilla though? If they already got rejected by Kounde first, then the point about Spurs wouldn't have come close to his release clause is kinda moot.

But even if that's not the case, someone else here mentioned that Spurs wanted to throw in Davinson Sanchez into the deal and his market value is €32 million (if one takes the transfermarkt evaluation). 

That may be true but one could also argue that there's a big difference between having a €50 million release clause and €80 million release clause. The €30 million difference is a lot, especially if Sevilla are really struggling with the finances and knowing that we're rich and all, they would want to try and squeeze out as much money out of us as possible. 

I suppose it all comes down to what value Spurs and Sevilla place on Sanchez in the same way that Chelsea and Sevilla do. I would personally say that Zouma is the better player but both being backups there probably isn't a whole lot of difference in their valuations.

It probably is also a case of different sources or interpretations quoting different figures in euros and pounds. In pounds that release clause is £68m, so a £50m price point wouldn't look completely illogical then.

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[Styl1994 188]

8 minutes ago, Jas said:

 

He might stay, he might go but what do people honestly expect Dortmund to say? They are going to take a tough stance in public obviously it’s common sense people. 

[Magic Lamps 11,655]

9 hours ago, Pizy said:

Reading the replies to any of Romano’s tweets regarding Koundé today and they’re filled with angry Real Madrid supporters who are annoyed that they aren’t replacing Varane with him. They all want him in their team and they’re the ones watching La Liga every week and know how talented he is.

If he’s good enough to be considered for Real Madrid he’s good enough for Chelsea.

small club mentality...

are you talking about the real madrid we thrashed a few weeks ago? None of their players is good enough for us, so the opposite is the case.

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7 minutes ago, Styl1994 said:

He might stay, he might go but what do people honestly expect Dortmund to say? They are going to take a tough stance in public obviously it’s common sense people. 

If Kehl had said something vague instead about Haaland's future, you would be jumping for joy, wouldn't you? 

Obviously, what Kehl said could be true or not, but it's pretty much in line with their stance over Haaland this year. 

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1 minute ago, Jas said:

If Kehl had said something vague instead about Haaland's future, you would be jumping for joy, wouldn't you? 

Obviously, what Kehl said could be true or not, but it's pretty much in line with their stance over Haaland this year. 

Not really you can never believe anything these guys say positive or negative. 
 

imo I believe Chelsea will put in a bid will it be accepted who knows. 

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30 minutes ago, Jas said:

 

So basically he admitted it depends on circumstances. What if Chelsea put crazy offer and Raiola wants a new meeting?