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1 hour ago, Jas said:

Didn't you say you weren't gonna panic yet? Or is it panic mode already? 😛

Not panic mode. Just concerned that we have such limited options and we could very well strike out on all of them.

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For me this price for Haaland is believable. Every rumour offer including us, City and Real is 110-115m.

Next year they will get 75m so this is fair. 40m extra for one season is more than enough. 175m price tag not likely. 

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2 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

For my this price for Haaland is believable. Every rumour offer including us, City and Real is 110-115m.

Next year they will get 75m so this is fair. 40m extra for one season is more than enough. 175m price tag not likely. 

Do you think Dortmund care about that? Their stance has been that Haaland is not for sale this summer and if they stick with that, 80-100 million is not going to persuade them to sell when they will get a similar amount next year. Keeping him for another season would help them to qualify for the Champions League and the money they get from the qualification will help them make up the difference.

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3 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

For my this price for Haaland is believable. Every rumour offer including us, City and Real is 110-115m.

Next year they will get 75m so this is fair. 40m extra for one season is more than enough. 175m price tag not likely. 

€110-115m or £110-115m?

€175m is £150m, so I know that is what you mean there.

ZERO chance Dortmund accepts only 110-115m EUROS

that is only £94-98m

using that logic (reducing by the same percentage), we would have ended up with only around £88-92m or so for Eden total, not the £140m-ish we walked away in total payments

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If you value Tammy at £30m (we are demanding £40 for an English club to but, so take off £10m in English tax for a continental club)

then if we gave Dortmund £120m + Tammy that is £150m which is €175m, or exactly what they are demanding.

Toss in an extra £5m (so then the value is €181m) for a deal-greaser if need be.

It looks like only £4.5 to £9m helped fuck us on Hakimi (partially)

so it is just fooling to not toss in an extra 5m quid or so to secure Håland

I have warned since I joined that all these previously sales turn-downs and trying to squeeze every fucking last pound out of teams by demanding outrageous fees (40m quid for Barkley,  £70m for Willian, £55m for fucking Alonso, £30-35m for Emerson, £40m for BAKAYOKO, £40m for BATS!, etc etc etc etc etc) would FUCK us

now COVID has destroyed the market and we have more dregs to liquidate than any other club on the planet, and we cannot get rid of hardly any of the big ones

and people laughed at me when I said the total loss from deals occurring (and non deals, etc, plus bollocks buys, botched buys, etc etc) would be at least £400m (and now likely approaching half a billion)

 

 

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12 minutes ago, Vesper said:

If you value Tammy at £30m (we are demanding £40 for an English club to but, so take off £10m in English tax for a continental club)

then if we gave Dortmund £120m + Tammy that is £150m which is €175m, or exactly what they are demanding.

Toss in an extra £5m (so then the value is €181m) for a deal-greaser if need be.

It looks like only £4.5 to £9m helped fuck us on Hakimi (partially)

so it is just fooling to not toss in an extra 5m quid or so to secure Håland

I have warned since I joined that all these previously sales turn-downs and trying to squeeze every fucking last pound out of teams by demanding outrageous fees (40m quid for Barkley,  £70m for Willian, £55m for fucking Alonso, £30-35m for Emerson, £40m for BAKAYOKO, £40m for BATS!, etc etc etc etc etc) would FUCK us

now COVID has destroyed the market and we have more dregs to liquidate than any other club on the planet, and we cannot get rid of hardly any of the big ones

and people laughed at me when I said the total loss from deals occurring (and non deals, etc, plus bollocks buys, botched buys, etc etc) would be at least £400m (and now likely approaching half a billion)

I don't think Dortmund are interested in getting a player from us. If they are gonna sell, they want pure hard cash of more than 150 million.

Here's also another thing to note, given our large squad right now, we also need to make sure we sell some unwanted players first - e.g. Abraham - because otherwise, we're gonna end up with an even bigger squad if we can't sell after buying a new player. In Abraham's case, there doesn't seem to be any takers for him at the moment.

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11 minutes ago, Jas said:

I don't think Dortmund are interested in getting a player from us. If they are gonna sell, they want pure hard cash of more than 150 million.

Here's also another thing to note, given our large squad right now, we also need to make sure we sell some unwanted players first - e.g. Abraham - because otherwise, we're gonna end up with an even bigger squad if we can't sell after buying a new player. In Abraham's case, there doesn't seem to be any takers for him at the moment.

I think we are well fucked atm

especially to do with moving deadweight

this December is deffo our last chance to finally win the FWCC (as in 2022 it becomes so much harder)

we better not fuck that up

its the last major trophy we do not have

I do NOT like the club getting involved with these monster players and then (IF it does happen) end up getting punked by other clubs mainly becuase we tried to lowball to an extreme degree

it is embarrassing, it makes us look like mugs

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11 minutes ago, Vesper said:

I think we are well fucked atm

especially to do with moving deadweight

this December is deffo our last chance to finally win the FWCC (as in 2022 it becomes so much harder)

How is it our last chance to win it?

We've just won the Champions League with a core group of our squad still young. I understand there are a couple of holes in our squad which hopefully can be filled but we're hardly "well fucked". In fact our dominance in Europe last season suggests to me that we could be well set up with our current group to challenge again. I genuinely feel next season we'll be one of the teams no one will want to draw.

In my opinion having Tuchel at the helm who has already proven is amongst the best around at present, a now established tactical set up and a year's experience under the belt for our new signings last summer and the other young players in our squad, I expect us to be far more competitive even if we didn't add to our squad this summer. 

If we can add 2 or 3 then fantastic, but it has to be quality over quantity. If the options aren't good enough then make do and look again next summer.

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1 hour ago, Superblue_1986 said:

How is it our last chance to win it?

We've just won the Champions League with a core group of our squad still young. I understand there are a couple of holes in our squad which hopefully can be filled but we're hardly "well fucked". In fact our dominance in Europe last season suggests to me that we could be well set up with our current group to challenge again. I genuinely feel next season we'll be one of the teams no one will want to draw.

In my opinion having Tuchel at the helm who has already proven is amongst the best around at present, a now established tactical set up and a year's experience under the belt for our new signings last summer and the other young players in our squad, I expect us to be far more competitive even if we didn't add to our squad this summer. 

If we can add 2 or 3 then fantastic, but it has to be quality over quantity. If the options aren't good enough then make do and look again next summer.

erm, perhaps try reading

(as in 2022 it becomes so much harder)

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My recs, now that we have likely missed out on Håland, Hakimi, Donnarumma, Varane, and the old stop gap signing ala Thiago, Sergio Ramos

We obviously are NOT going to buy every single one in red (plus a GK + RWB), that would cost around £450-500m

these are just my preferred pics for each position, and for AMF and Winger, there is only one player for each that I can rec in good faith.

 

GK

FFS find one! we are going to be FUCKED when Mendy is gone for a month or 5 weeks Too many to list. Fuck Kepa, I will NEVER trust him, he is dogshit

CB

Maxence Lacroix
Alessio Romagnoli (AC has put him up for sale)

Sven Botman

 

LB/LWB

Robin Gosens  
Ramy Bensebaini   
Borna Sosa

 

RB/RWB

Due to multiple blown out knees (Silas, James Justin), failing on Hakimi, and Barca now keeping Emerson royal, I cannot in good faith advise any purchase atm

BUT, we all know now who is coming (or we again try so hard for): Adama Traoré 

arfffff is all I can say, he damn well better work out, I do not like him as a player, hopefully he changes my mind

that said, he now only wants to go to Barca, so maybe we dodge him anyway

IF we fail on Traore, I expect a desperation bid for Denzel Dumfries

 

DMF

Rice is TOO expensive, fuck it, and Camavinga is going to PSG

2 clear choices    

Manuel Locatelli (be warned though, we will very likely lose him to Juve)
Aurélien Tchouaméni  

 

CMF

Nicolò Barella 
Youri Tielemans 
Sergej Milinković-Savić 
Saúl Ñíguez 
Ryan Gravenverch
Jude Bellingham (next year or year after though, too soon now)

 

AMF

Grealish

 

Winger

Sancho

 

CF

Lewandowski 
Dusan Vlahovic    
Alexander Isak

 

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6 hours ago, Vesper said:

erm, perhaps try reading

(as in 2022 it becomes so much harder)

Becoming harder doesn't necessarily mean it's our last chance though. I might be wrong but if anything, more teams will qualify from that point so maybe it'll become easier to win by it becoming less exclusive.

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2 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

Becoming harder doesn't necessarily mean it's our last chance though. I might be wrong but if anything, more teams will qualify from that point so maybe it'll become easier to win by it becoming less exclusive.

When compared to its new format the current structure of the Club World Championship is akin to the old European Cup when compared to the Champions League. Harder to qualify for, but much easier to win once you do.

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6 hours ago, Vesper said:

My recs, now that we have likely missed out on Håland, Hakimi, Donnarumma, Varane, and the old stop gap signing ala Thiago, Sergio Ramos

We obviously are NOT going to buy every single one in red (plus a GK + RWB), that would cost around £450-500m

these are just my preferred pics for each position, and for AMF and Winger, there is only one player for each that I can rec in good faith.

 

GK

FFS find one! we are going to be FUCKED when Mendy is gone for a month or 5 weeks Too many to list. Fuck Kepa, I will NEVER trust him, he is dogshit

CB

Maxence Lacroix
Alessio Romagnoli (AC has put him up for sale)

Sven Botman

 

LB/LWB

Robin Gosens  
Ramy Bensebaini   
Borna Sosa

 

RB/RWB

Due to multiple blown out knees (Silas, James Justin), failing on Hakimi, and Barca now keeping Emerson royal, I cannot in good faith advise any purchase atm

BUT, we all know now who is coming (or we again try so hard for): Adama Traoré 

arfffff is all I can say, he damn well better work out, I do not like him as a player, hopefully he changes my mind

that said, he now only wants to go to Barca, so maybe we dodge him anyway

IF we fail on Traore, I expect a desperation bid for Denzel Dumfries

 

DMF

Rice is TOO expensive, fuck it, and Camavinga is going to PSG

2 clear choices    

Manuel Locatelli (be warned though, we will very likely lose him to Juve)
Aurélien Tchouaméni  

 

CMF

Nicolò Barella 
Youri Tielemans 
Sergej Milinković-Savić 
Saúl Ñíguez 
Ryan Gravenverch
Jude Bellingham (next year or year after though, too soon now)

 

AMF

Grealish

 

Winger

Sancho

 

CF

Lewandowski 
Dusan Vlahovic    
Alexander Isak

 

I am in team Isak.. That’s guy’s got class, moves like a panther. Would really love him here.

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