Chelsea Transfers

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

1 hour ago, shrenshah said:

If we still have Boga buyback, we can just buy him back and straight swap him for Mendy...Rennes is trying to buy Boga from Sassulo for 30Mn.

We can effectively get Mendy for just 12Mn

We don’t 

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[killer1257 3,282]

 

Our scouts like Mendy still more

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[OhForAGreavsie 6,077]

17 hours ago, killer1257 said:

I highly doubt our GK scouts even know him lol. It is just Mendy, Onana or Mike Maignan

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And how do you know that?

[Jype 6,398]

2 hours ago, killer1257 said:

Our scouts like Mendy still more

What's not to like? Mendy clearly beats Kepa in every statistical metric described on there, and also better stats than Onana, Maignan.

I'm not saying he's better because I haven't seen him enough, but statistically he is the clear winner there. And for his size alone he should be a much more dominant keeper in the air than Kepa, which should help in corners. I read a stat that Kepa didn't catch a single ball from corner kicks all season, that's laughable really.

No clue on how good Mendy is on the ball but he should be a good shot-stopper at least.

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Didn't Cech and Christophe Lollichon recommend Mendy? I haven't seen enough of Mendy to judge myself but if Cech and Lollichon recommended Mendy, then he must be good enough at the very least to play for us. 

[BlueLyon 9,359]

1 hour ago, Jason said:

Didn't Cech and Christophe Lollichon recommend Mendy? I haven't seen enough of Mendy to judge myself but if Cech and Lollichon recommended Mendy, then he must be good enough at the very least to play for us. 

I dont like it when people say Cech recommends, so it must be good. Or Lamps recommends...

They have almost none experience in this area. I mean sure its nice they approve, but I wouldnt go this far saying if they say it, it must be great.

What if Chilwell wont be nowhere near as good as Reguilon who might soon join Utd?

You know it. Same people will crap on Lamps, Cole that they should never make these transfer suggestions again etc.

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1 minute ago, BlueLyon said:

I dont like it when people say Cech recommends, so it must be good. Or Lamps recommends...

They have almost none experience in this area. I mean sure its nice they approve, but I wouldnt go this far saying if they say it, it must be great.

What if Chilwell wont be nowhere near as good as Reguilon who might soon join Utd?

You know it. Same people will crap on Lamps, Cole that they should never make these transfer suggestions again etc.

Does experience really matter in identifying talent?   

I guess you're not wrong there and if you don't want to consider Cech, fine. What about Lollichon? He must know his stuff about GKs, right? 

And I'd assume the club wouldn't just buy players on the back of recommendation from someone without any data, scouting report etc to back it up. 

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4 minutes ago, Jason said:

Does experience really matter in identifying talent?   

I guess you're not wrong there and if you don't want to consider Cech, fine. What about Lollichon? He must know his stuff about GKs, right? 

And I'd assume the club wouldn't just buy players on the back of recommendation from someone without any data, scouting report etc to back it up. 

Yep, I would trust Lollichon's opinion more than any fan who thinks they're an expert. And Cech obviously rates Lollichon's input highly.

Two years ago Lollichon recommended the club sign Areola ahead of Kepa. If only Marina had listened to him then.  

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2 minutes ago, Jype said:

Yep, I would trust Lollichon's opinion more than any fan who thinks they're an expert. And Cech obviously rates Lollichon's input highly.

Two years ago Lollichon recommended the club sign Areola ahead of Kepa. If only Marina had listened to him then.  

Tbh Areola himself isn't that good, still error-prones but not as bad as Kepa.

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Just now, Blues Forever said:

Tbh Areola himself isn't that good, still error-prones but not as bad as Kepa.

At least we wouldn't have blown 71 million on a keeper!

[BlueLyon 9,359]

31 minutes ago, Jason said:

Does experience really matter in identifying talent?   

I guess you're not wrong there and if you don't want to consider Cech, fine. What about Lollichon? He must know his stuff about GKs, right? 

And I'd assume the club wouldn't just buy players on the back of recommendation from someone without any data, scouting report etc to back it up. 

So anyone who wants to be a scout for Chelsea can just become one without any experience? 🤔

Yes Lollichon is more experienced, still he recommended Areola who isnt good enough. He is too error prone. So no he isnt some magical scouting talent.

Also just because someone was a great player or is operating well in different field doesnt make him a great scout or a manager for that matter. 

Take a look at Michael Edwards. Shite player. But man was in scouting since 2003. He worked for one of the first data tracking companies Prozone and pioneered new approach to search for top talent. Took years to perfect that and then ended in Pool. So yes experience definately plays a part today. Maybe it didnt years ago when you came to stadium and if you were once top player you recognized another one on the pitch. Today, times have changed. Too many factors. 

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26 minutes ago, Jason said:

At least we wouldn't have blown 71 million on a keeper!

This was never the problem. Problem wasnt spending 70m, but on who. 

 

[OhForAGreavsie 6,077]

44 minutes ago, Jype said:

Two years ago Lollichon recommended the club sign Areola ahead of Kepa. If only Marina had listened to him then.  

Sorry, I'm a bit impatient about this but it's with the forum as a whole, not you specifically. What evidence does anyone have that Marina makes any footballing decisions? I mean any at all? Until someone shows me evidence, I see no reason whatsoever to believe that Marina decides which players we go for. Which ones we can or can't afford, yes, but which ones we should target on footballing grounds, no.

Please boys and girls let's stop regurgitating this myth.

[OhForAGreavsie 6,077]

43 minutes ago, Jason said:

At least we wouldn't have blown 71 million on a keeper!

We should have replaced Thibaut without spending a penny. Anybody notice who was on the bench for PSG in the Champions League final?

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36 minutes ago, Jason said:

At least we wouldn't have blown 71 million on a keeper!

Yep, exactly my point. Areola then might not have been good enough either but at least he wouldn't have cost a shit ton of money and be impossible to get rid if it didn't work out.

Same for Mendy now, if he's signed for say 20-25M he can still be sold at only a little loss if he turns out bad too. 

 

7 minutes ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

Sorry, I'm a bit impatient about this but it's with the forum as a whole, not you specifically. What evidence does anyone have that Marina makes any footballing decisions? I mean any at all? Until someone shows me evidence, I see no reason whatsoever to believe that Marina decides which players we go for. Which ones we can or can't afford, yes, but which ones we should target in the first place, no.

Please boys and girls let's stop regurgitating this myth.

Well, just based on the fact many previous managers (Mourinho, Conte, Sarri) complained about not even being a 'manager' but rather a 'head coach' so basically saying they had no power on deciding signings and the board pretty much took care of everything. Sure they probably took opinions from the manager and scouting department but ultimately it was always the board who've decided who to go for.

Until 2017 I believe it was Emenalo who mainly decided transfer targets but when he left I think Marina took on a bigger role. That is until Cech was hired as a technical director last year.

That's not me saying Marina has done a bad job as a whole and I think she was more than right to deny Conte and Jose some of their targets but the Kepa situation was still a huge fuck up, no matter who's responsible for that. 

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13 minutes ago, BlueLyon said:

So anyone who wants to be a scout for Chelsea can just become one without any experience? 🤔

But people gotta start somewhere? If that person is good enough, then why not? 

AVB became an opposition scout for Mourinho because he was very good at it, despite being young all those years ago. Same even goes to Nagelsmann, who did the same for Tuchel about a decade plus ago.

25 minutes ago, BlueLyon said:

Yes Lollichon is more experienced, still he recommended Areola who isnt good enough. He is too error prone. So no he isnt some magical scouting talent.

Also just because someone was a great player or is operating well in different field doesnt make him a great scout or a manager for that matter. 

Take a look at Michael Edwards. Shite player. But man was in scouting since 2003. He worked for one of the first data tracking companies Prozone and pioneered new approach to search for top talent. Took years to perfect that and then ended in Pool. So yes experience definately plays a part today. Maybe it didnt years ago when you came to stadium and if you were once top player you recognized another one on the pitch. Today, times have changed. Too many factors. 

No one gets it right all the time, not even the best but one would think someone like Lollichon in his profession would have more credibility than others. 

Also, since you are saying or implying that those without experience won't have a clue in scouting players, identifying talent, then why the heck you, me and everyone else is always "telling" the club to buy this player, that player? What experience do all/most of us have besides watching the game as a fan? Or are you gonna say we fans know better than those in the profession, than those who watch players on regular basis and have more access to data than we do? 

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13 minutes ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

Anybody notice who was on the bench for PSG in the Champions League final?

You keep on saying him and yet, he has made only ONE appearance since joining PSG. Has barely even made appearances in cup competitions. 

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31 minutes ago, BlueLyon said:

This was never the problem. Problem wasnt spending 70m, but on who. 

Unless it's Oblak or even Ter Stegen (or in hindsight Alisson), it was idiotic to spend that much on a keeper.

[OhForAGreavsie 6,077]

30 minutes ago, Jype said:

ultimately it was always the board who've decided who to go for.

The board is not Marina of course. In the end, I don't believe that even they have been the ultimate decision makers. I have no tangible evidence to support it so I don't throw it around in too many posts but I believe that Roman, and latterly Arkadiy, have decided. That's not to say they initiate all the moves; they will certainly have accepted the advice of others on many occasions. This will have included buying players recommended by others, and not buying some which were resisted by others.

One thing I'm fairly certain of is that there is no chance at all that Roman would have given away the best part of playing Football Manager for real, the selecting of the players, to an absolute amateur like Marina. That just makes zero sense. It's understandable to defer to 'expert' opinion but why let someone who demonstrably knows less than you yourself do, make the decisions? I can understand Roman taking playing personnel decisions away from technical staff so he can enjoy making them himself. Causing all of the associated friction by overriding your football people, only to give the power to a complete novice is stupid beyond belief and I do not believe it. No way at all Marina makes player choices for football reasons.

I am so ready to believe that Roman has made decisions himself because, if I had his money, that is exactly what I would have done. I would have made no bones about it either. Despite the impression I give on here, I am not a complete idiot however, I would have listened to football people and, if convinced by their arguments, would have deferred to them regularly. Ultimately however the final decision would always have been mine.