Chelsea Transfers

[Vesper 30,276]

10 minutes ago, TheHulk said:

He is staying wants to become a Chelsea legend, sell that manbun Callagher instead.

and sell CuCu to the head choppers

 

[Vesper 30,276]

there are fuckall for LBs in the Saudi League (other than Al-Nassr)

sell that muppet CuCu to one of the petrol pumper sides

 

[OneMoSalah 8,887]

Not overly bothered about Maatsen in all honesty.

Decent player, from the academy yes but it is obvious Chilwell is first choice and theres no way he’s displacing him when he’s fully fit.

Cucurella was the best thing since sliced bread when we signed him, like Mudryk was, like Ziyech was, like Cole Palmer is etc etc so to see the contempt after a bad season (he was far from the only one) shows how fickle football really is. Fully expect him to be much better this season but Maatsen is maybe more profitable as of now and doesn’t seem keen on staying so whats the issue?

I would say a deal be it a loan with a £31.5m obligation and sell on fee or straight up £31.5m is outstanding for us. 

Edited September 1, 2023 by OneMoSalah

[Pizy 18,989]

So if he doesn’t sign an extension but refuses to leave then what? We freeze him out for the rest of the year until he walks for free and fucks us out of tens of millions? Doesn’t seem like we’ve played this well unless he suddenly agrees a new deal.

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[DH1988 1,352]

From what I’ve seen so far, I’d keep Conor, said it before that he’s improved from where he was, what’s wrong with that? We seem to give others patience? You can look back through my posts where I lambast him during the Tuchel stint etc as well, so I haven’t always had this stance. Every good team needs their squad members and who is to say he wouldn’t be content? Why are people so readily willing to take £45m? If it was us, we’d be quoted £70m+ 

[DDA 9,983]

Gallagher is ideal for the dressing room, he bleeds blue. 

If we do need to sell him then don't sell him to Spurs. 

He would haunt us in many years to come.

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13 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

Cucurella was the best thing since sliced bread when we signed him

said no one ever that I recall

I threw a strop when we bought him, especially for £118m! (salary plus transfer fee)

I had a history too

I said NO when we were linked to him when he was in La Liga ate Batca and then Getafe

If you take CuCu's fee, and add in what we got for Hall and could well get for Maatsen

that's £130m!

enough to buy Davies or Mendes (by FAR the 2 best LBs on the planet atm) and likely have 40m or 50m quid left over

🤬

 

Edited September 1, 2023 by Vesper

[Duppy Conqueror 1,557]

I like Conor,but...

Isn't really that flexible positionally,isn't that great at one position,has 2 years left and unlikely to be in our longterm plans.

He's good enough to be in our squad for this season,but see him being buried in our squad in the next year or so by which time we probably aren't gonna get as much as we can get for him now.

Wouldn't want to give anything nice to Spurs,but if we do and he has a decent career with them like i expect he would,doesnt mean it would be a mistake to have sold him.we should always buy,keep or sell players for what they can offer us.

[OneMoSalah 8,887]

Just now, DH1988 said:

From what I’ve seen so far, I’d keep Conor, said it before that he’s improved from where he was, what’s wrong with that? We seem to give others patience? You can look back through my posts where I lambast him during the Tuchel stint etc as well, so I haven’t always had this stance. Every good team needs their squad members and who is to say he wouldn’t be content? Why are people so readily willing to take £45m? If it was us, we’d be quoted £70m+ 

I would tend to agree re keeping him, he offers a different profile in midfield.

Our central midfield options are probably more defensively minded now with guys like Lavia, Caicedo, Ugochukwu - who yes they aren’t just defensive midfielders but they aren’t hugely creative or offensively minded.

Enzo is carrying that burden, having Connor around who can kind of do that role but with less quality, it makes sense. 
 

Just now, Vesper said:

said no one ever that I recall

I threw a strop when we bought him, especially for £118m! (salary plus transfer fee)

I had a history too

I said NO when we were linked to him when he was in La Liga ate Batca and then Getafe

If you take CuCu's fee, and add in what we got for Hall and could well get for Maatsen

that's £130m!

enough to buy Davies or Mendes (by FAR the 2 best LBs on the planet atm) and likely have 40m or perhaps more quid left over

🤬

 

Yes as you keep mentioning but there was a lot of people very excited by his signing. A lot of people. And tbf, you could see why as a back up/competition, it made sense. Just the fee that was excessive but thats been us under Boehly since day 1. 

To completely give up on him after 12 months is crazy. He is a decent enough player but never a £60 odd million player. But Caicedo was never a £115m player - yet we paid it. Enzo was never a £105m player - yet we paid it. Mudryk was never a £70 odd m player - again we paid it.  

There is a pattern here, we sign players for vastly OTT fees. That doesn’t help them necessarily and it doesn’t help us if they underperform but thats what happens when you throw money at everything.

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5 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

To completely give up on him after 12 months is crazy. He is a decent enough player

no it is not crazy

and no, he is not a decent enough player

he is a disaster waiting to happen

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Burstow > Sunderland Official.

[bluesman2610 1,423]

26 minutes ago, Vesper said:

said no one ever that I recall

I threw a strop when we bought him, especially for £118m! (salary plus transfer fee)

I had a history too

I said NO when we were linked to him when he was in La Liga ate Batca and then Getafe

If you take CuCu's fee, and add in what we got for Hall and could well get for Maatsen

that's £130m!

enough to buy Davies or Mendes (by FAR the 2 best LBs on the planet atm) and likely have 40m or 50m quid left over

🤬

 

Davies doesn’t want to play LB anymore just like for our National team he prefers to play further forward in the attack. If you listen to his interviews he always talks about waiting for his chance to play either as a LW or RW.

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1 minute ago, bluesman2610 said:

Davies doesn’t want to play LB anymore just like for our National team he prefers to play further forward in the attack. If you listen to his interviews he always talks about waiting for his chance to play either as a LW or RW.

I have mentioned that multiple times

he would have been a 2 for 1

LB and Winger

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Just now, Vesper said:

I have mentioned that multiple times

he would have been a 2 for 1

LB and Winger

In all honesty it makes no sense to me he is easily regarded as a top 3 LB in the works and as a winger I don’t see him near that number

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1 minute ago, bluesman2610 said:

In all honesty it makes no sense to me he is easily regarded as a top 3 LB in the works and as a winger I don’t see him near that number

I wish we had that dilemma

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[Mhsc 1,109]

I would say the Maatsen stuff is almost entirely about him wanting to find the most profitable path forward for himself, which I mean, is just fair enough isn't it really? Everyone would do the same in his position. Man is on about £10k a week at the mo and if he plays his cards right he can be in for a serious pay day in a years time, or he can take a deal with us that is probably 50k a week now and lose negotiation power for ~7 years.

Imagine the contract he can get next year if he's arriving somewhere as a free agent with the bit of rep he's already built for himself and clubs already willing to offer £31m? Most or all of that would be distributed into a mixture of sign on fee and weekly wages. Honestly to keep him we probably have to put him on Carney-esque money (£100k pw) which would be pretty harsh on Gallagher who is on £50k.

Should have nailed him down to a long term contract already if we didn't want this situation.

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