Chelsea Transfers

[OneMoSalah 9,104]

5 hours ago, Reddish-Blue said:

Tomori should be added to your list.  He sort of fits the 3rd dot point but I feel there was enough raw potential there for us to keep him.  

If only the club had a crystal ball about the Christensen contract situation, we could have saved ourselves 30-40 million by keeping Tomori/Guehi at the club. 

Tomori would of been perfect to play where he did here under Frank in a back 3 with TT or even on the right. Plus I have every faith he wouls of plaued more often with TT than with Frank the second season.

And with Rudiger going, he would of been a shoe in perhaps but to be fair, (what looked like) a lack of belief in him and chances he got under Frank sealed his fate.

And for someone in his situation, when a club like Milan come knocking, particularly with Maldini fronting a lot of their transfer activities, the history of players like him, Baresi, Nesta etc weaved into their history, its a once in a life time chance and a tough call for any young defender. He's no doubt improved a lot but I feel he would of done so here with Thiago Silva (who definitely had a positive influence on Rudi and Andreas as did TT) and the managers system, as well as due to his talent, which was there. 

Guehi is good too but I think Tomori is definitely a much much bigger fuck up. Between the board and Frank, putting him on a loan there with an option was mental. I mean its mind boggling. You don’t do that unless both club and manager are more than happy to let a player go either so the blames definitely as much on Frank as the folk on the board.

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2 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

particularly with Maldini fronting a lot of their transfer activities

this is so true

it's why they have a fiercely loyal Theo (grrrrrrrrrrrrr) for instance

when you have the best (or second best, Beckenbauer v Maldini is like Pele v Maradona) defender in football history (and a one club man for over 30 years, from age 9 to almost 41, way over 1000 games total) come calling and then following up like a father, ts hard to say no to.

Plus it is Milano, incredible quality of life (well, we shall see what transpires under the new fascist (for sure) slash borderline neo nazi (on the edges) government) and also that insane football tradition (AC Milan is second biggest club over the entirety of footballing history, only trailing Real Madrid, both in front of Bayern, and even farther in front of Barca, Manure and Pool and of course Ajax, who have been vastly reduced since the end of the 20th century by the rise of the Big 5 leagues). Chels still needs 20 to 30 more years of excellence (CL, league, and club world champions trophies must keep flowing in) to start to be tossed into the grand sweep of history arguments.

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Chelsea to appoint Christopher Vivell as technical director

https://theathletic.com/3667533/2022/10/07/Chelsea-christopher-vivell/

Christopher Vivell will be appointed as the new technical director at Chelsea.

The west London side have been looking to recruit a technical director after Petr Cech departed the club in the summer.

The process in identifying a candidate is now over as Vivell looks set to take charge in his new role at Stamford Bridge.

Vivell, 35, left former club RB Leipzig on Friday due to “differences of opinion.” He had held his role with the Bundesliga side since 2020.

Owner Todd Boehly was acting as Chelsea’s interim sporting director throughout the summer and played a key role in signing eight players during the transfer window.

Chelsea originally held an interest in recruiting the sporting director from Red Bull Salzburg, Christoph Freund, who had emerged as the favourite to fill the sporting director vacancy at Chelsea.

Although he initially refused to rule out a move, he later confirmed he would be staying with the Austrian club.

Vivell will now likely play a key role in Chelsea’s future recruitment. The Athletic revealed earlier this week that forward Christopher Nkunku, who plays for Leipzig, has signed a pre-contract agreement to join Graham Potter’s squad for the 2023-24 season.

Chelsea are preparing for their upcoming match against Wolverhampton Wanderers in the Premier League this Saturday.

What will Vivell bring to Chelsea?

RAPHAEL HONIGSTEIN: Vivell has been an integral part of the Red Bull football group’s successful recruitment network since joining RB Salzburg as Head Scout in 2015.

A sports science graduate of Karlsruhe’s Institute of Technology and former analytics coordinator at TSG Hoffenheim, Vivell was promoted to Head of Scouting in Austria before joining Leipzig as technical director in August 2020.

His main focus there has been on long-term squad planning in line with the club’s footballing principles.

Of his work, he said: “I’d like to explain it this way. Managers think from one game to game to next, sporting directors think from one transfer window to the next, technical directors think three transfer windows ahead.”

 

Edited October 9, 2022 by Vesper

[Vesper 31,109]

question

are we also going to have a SPORTING director?

it is my understanding (perhaps a wrong one) that a technical director is in charge of the of the overall club structure, and a sporting director is in charge of the on the the pitch/recruiting side

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rise of the Millennials 🤣

[Blues Forever 1,232]

20 minutes ago, Vesper said:

question

are we also going to have a SPORTING director?

it is my understanding (perhaps a wrong one) that a technical director is in charge of the of the overall club structure, and a sporting director is in charge of the on the the pitch/recruiting side

 

[OhForAGreavsie 6,127]

7 hours ago, Reddish-Blue said:

Tomori should be added to your list.  He sort of fits the 3rd [dot] point but I feel there was enough raw potential there for us to keep him. 

As you guessed, I had in mind that Fikyo fits into group 3, "Was given a chance to impress over many games but the manager eventually decided they were not for him."

Remember my post is aimed at rebutting the myth that first team capable Cobham graduates were not given chances by Chelsea because of the club's culture. 'Fik' benefitted from a good loan, was brought back and given a place in the first team squad. Further, he was relied upon and picked numerous times. Eventually however the manager decided he preferred other options. That decision by Frank may, or may not, have been the right one but that's not the point here. The point is that Fik absolutely was given a chance. That he did not establish himself was nothing to do with club culture and everything to do with the manager's preference.

Edited October 9, 2022 by OhForAGreavsie

[Reddish-Blue 2,676]

2 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

Tomori would of been perfect to play where he did here under Frank in a back 3 with TT or even on the right. Plus I have every faith he wouls of plaued more often with TT than with Frank the second season.

And with Rudiger going, he would of been a shoe in perhaps but to be fair, (what looked like) a lack of belief in him and chances he got under Frank sealed his fate.

And for someone in his situation, when a club like Milan come knocking, particularly with Maldini fronting a lot of their transfer activities, the history of players like him, Baresi, Nesta etc weaved into their history, its a once in a life time chance and a tough call for any young defender. He's no doubt improved a lot but I feel he would of done so here with Thiago Silva (who definitely had a positive influence on Rudi and Andreas as did TT) and the managers system, as well as due to his talent, which was there. 

Guehi is good too but I think Tomori is definitely a much much bigger fuck up. Between the board and Frank, putting him on a loan there with an option was mental. I mean its mind boggling. You don’t do that unless both club and manager are more than happy to let a player go either so the blames definitely as much on Frank as the folk on the board.

The issue was, no-one really knew what a fair price for Tomori was going to be.  At the time when he left the club, it was raw potential, don't think anyone expected him to go to Milan and become a staple of their first team defense so quickly. 

Fair play to AC Milan, they took the chance on him and they got a very good CB for a cut price fee. 

Hopefully for us, Colwill develops properly and he lives up to the hype as he would slot in nicely to our defensive scheme in the near future!

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1 hour ago, Blues Forever said:

 

thanks

and I am happy with this

I still wish Christoph Freund would change his mind about Sporting Director

I know, I know

he has said no, nein, nej, nyet, non

but I am a never give up type of girl, lolol

[Alabama 1,992]

56 minutes ago, Vesper said:

thanks

and I am happy with this

I still wish Christoph Freund would change his mind about Sporting Director

I know, I know

he has said no, nein, nej, nyet, non

but I am a never give up type of girl, lolol

Michael Edwards...

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10 minutes ago, Alabama said:

Michael Edwards...

yes, he is now my top choice left

[Strike 7,792]

Any read on Vivell? Seems like has been hired since he is young, has experience with a multi-club structure and could go along with new owners' moneyball methods.

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1 hour ago, Strike said:

Any read on Vivell? Seems like has been hired since he is young, has experience with a multi-club structure and could go along with new owners' moneyball methods.

I would like to know what were the differences of opinion he had with the ownership that caused him to leave

he was pretty damn successful there

[Jype 6,398]

1 hour ago, Vesper said:

I would like to know what were the differences of opinion he had with the ownership that caused him to leave

he was pretty damn successful there

Isn't it obvious the reason is because he'd held talks with another club about joining them without informing Leipzig about it?

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Just now, Jype said:

Isn't it obvious the reason is because he'd held talks with another club about joining them without informing Leipzig about it?

I have not seen any solid evidence that that was the reason

[Jype 6,398]

4 minutes ago, Vesper said:

I have not seen any solid evidence that that was the reason

Yeah there's been no 'official' confirmation about it but the timing seems way too obvious to be a coincidence. Within 30 minutes of Leipzig announcing his departure it was already being briefed by Law, Jacobs etc. that Vivell has already agreed to join Chelsea as the club's new technical director (and there were rumors before too).

If the 'sacking' wasn't in any way linked to his move to Chelsea there's no way anything would be agreed so soon.

[bigbluewillie 1,979]

23 hours ago, Vesper said:

question

are we also going to have a SPORTING director?

it is my understanding (perhaps a wrong one) that a technical director is in charge of the of the overall club structure, and a sporting director is in charge of the on the the pitch/recruiting side

Vesp, my brain hurts again🙃

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1 hour ago, bigbluewillie said:

Vesp, my brain hurts again🙃

others answered it (my question)

we are getting a sporting director as well

which I am very happy about

I absolutely trust Boehly/Behdad Eghbali, José Feliciano + the rest of Clearlake/Wyss/Walter/Goldstein etc to build a WC organisation

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Fabrizio Romano

39 mins ago

Talks to be held over difficult Denis Zakaria situation

It’s not been easy for Denis Zakaria - he looked set to stay at Juventus before Chelsea decided to go for him in the final few hours of the transfer market. Chelsea signed him on loan with a purchase option of €20m, plus €4m in add-ons.

I’m told this deal will be discussed again because the situation is worrying - he’s not playing, he was wanted by Thomas Tuchel and he planned to have him as a starter. Still, under Graham Potter he’s not playing, he’s not even on the bench. This is why the clubs and player will speak again, because at the moment this deal makes no sense for anyone involved.

And let’s see what Chelsea will do in midfielders in January or next summer. They wanted Frenkie de Jong in the summer and Jude Bellingham will be on the market next summer, with many clubs interested.

[King Kante 1,643]

31 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Fabrizio Romano

39 mins ago

Talks to be held over difficult Denis Zakaria situation

It’s not been easy for Denis Zakaria - he looked set to stay at Juventus before Chelsea decided to go for him in the final few hours of the transfer market. Chelsea signed him on loan with a purchase option of €20m, plus €4m in add-ons.

I’m told this deal will be discussed again because the situation is worrying - he’s not playing, he was wanted by Thomas Tuchel and he planned to have him as a starter. Still, under Graham Potter he’s not playing, he’s not even on the bench. This is why the clubs and player will speak again, because at the moment this deal makes no sense for anyone involved.

And let’s see what Chelsea will do in midfielders in January or next summer. They wanted Frenkie de Jong in the summer and Jude Bellingham will be on the market next summer, with many clubs interested.

Was a strange signing. If Bellingham is an option in the Summer than. I doubt he will be here very long. That said, as an emergency CM he is a reasonable option.