Chelsea Transfers

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Jorginho prioritising Chelsea stay

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Jorginho has every desire to continue his career at Chelsea, according to his agent, amid links with Barcelona.

Jorginho was one of those signings that instantly elevated the quality of the Chelsea squad. The Blues had to dig deep to compete for the Italian international a few years ago and have Maurizio Sarri to thank for signing him ahead of Manchester City.

While Sarri did not last long at Stamford Bridge, Jorginho has continuously upgraded his game each season to become one of Chelsea’s essential stars. He is their current midfield lynchpin, and his influence continues to grow.

Amid Chelsea’s uncertainties at the end of last season, they put a few essential ideas on the back burner. The club saw key players depart when their contracts expired, as they could not extend their deals. It was already too late when they came into the position to do so.

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16 hours ago, bluesman2610 said:

Anyone watch enough of the Bundesliga to know how good Konrad Laimer is for real? The seem to call him the pressing machine and from what I seen I really like his style of play.

He is a decent player, but certainly nowhere near a player I would put in my top 5 CMF targets

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2 minutes ago, Vesper said:

He is a decent player, but certainly nowhere near a player I would put in my top 5 CMF targets

 
would take everyone of these before him

Jude Bellingham 
Frenkie de Jong
Moisés Caicedo  
Nicolò Barella
Kouadio Koné 
Roméo Lavia 
Mikel Merino 
Yves Bissouma   (IF Spuds would sell)
Enzo Fernández  
Luka Sucic 
Alexis Mac Allister 
Yunus Musah

[milka 3,407]

 Nkunku , Gvardiol  , Bellingham/Caicedo looking solid option next summer . 

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1 hour ago, Vesper said:

 
would take everyone of these before him

Jude Bellingham 
Frenkie de Jong
Moisés Caicedo  
Nicolò Barella
Kouadio Koné 
Roméo Lavia 
Mikel Merino 
Yves Bissouma   (IF Spuds would sell)
Enzo Fernández  
Luka Sucic 
Alexis Mac Allister 
Yunus Musah

I get that realistically outside of Chelsea hiring you as chief scout (lol) what are the odds we get any of those players and from what I’ve seen he would be a replacement for Kante with better passing and can play at RB/RWB alongside playing in the center as a 6 or an 8 be side a ball playing mobile CM. 

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2 hours ago, Vesper said:

 
would take everyone of these before him

Jude Bellingham 
Frenkie de Jong
Moisés Caicedo  
Nicolò Barella
Kouadio Koné 
Roméo Lavia 
Mikel Merino 
Yves Bissouma   (IF Spuds would sell)
Enzo Fernández  
Luka Sucic 
Alexis Mac Allister 
Yunus Musah

I think Laimer is out of contract at the end of the season.

Might be a good cost effective squad option that potentially allows us to go big on other targets, especially considering we're likely to lose two senior first team midfielders to free transfers next summer.

There's links still with Bellingham, De Jong and Rice but realistically I cannot see a situation where we buy two big money central midfielders, when we're also being strongly linked with Nkunku and Gvardiol and we also need to strongly consider our options for backup to Reece, Goalkeeper and long term striker, unless they're confident to roll with Auba until Broja is ready.

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53 minutes ago, bluesman2610 said:

what are the odds we get any of those players

these are the ones we deffo would have extremely good shots at pulling

these two are the main ones I would go for, as both can play CMF and DMF, box to box

Moisés Caicedo  (will be the most expensive of this lot, but is also the closest to Kante on here)
Kouadio Koné (Mönchengladbach sporting director said they would sell for right price)

https://bulinews.com/news/14514/gladbach-boss-gives-update-contract-extensions-admits-kone-leave-some-point

Roméo Lavia (only if Citeh make a deal with us, as they have £40m buyback)
Enzo Fernández  (only if they come way down from his insane €120 release clause, which is just silly high)
Luka Sucic 
Alexis Mac Allister 
Yunus Musah

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15 minutes ago, Superblue said:

Bellingham, De Jong and Rice

I am so not counting on signing any of those 3

to buy all three would cost around £350m or so, maybe more

Edited October 15, 2022 by Vesper

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1 hour ago, Superblue said:

I think Laimer is out of contract at the end of the season.

Might be a good cost effective squad option that potentially allows us to go big on other targets, especially considering we're likely to lose two senior first team midfielders to free transfers next summer.

There's links still with Bellingham, De Jong and Rice but realistically I cannot see a situation where we buy two big money central midfielders, when we're also being strongly linked with Nkunku and Gvardiol and we also need to strongly consider our options for backup to Reece, Goalkeeper and long term striker, unless they're confident to roll with Auba until Broja is ready.

I think we will probably spending big on the midfielders since Kante and Jorginho are leaving. Kovacic also has 2 year left, so we need to make another big decision either keep or sell.

Edited October 15, 2022 by Blues Forever

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5 hours ago, Vesper said:

I am so not counting on signing any of those 3

to buy all three would cost around £350m or so, maybe more

I think we'll get one. I'm hoping for Bellingham, but expecting Rice.

4 hours ago, Blues Forever said:

I think we will probably spending big on the midfielders since Kante and Jorginho are leaving. Kovacic also has 2 year left, so we need to make another big decision either keep or sell.

We'll definitely spend in that position but some of the big name midfielders we're looking at £100m or more, so can't see us buying more than one of that profile.

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10 hours ago, Hermione said:

If we extend Jorginho and Kante we're hopeless.

Jorg is worth keeping.

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1 hour ago, Clockwork said:

Jorg is worth keeping.

Why? So we can always see how it is to be overrun in MF and/or play 90% square or backward passes and/or slow the pace down to a crawl?

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2 hours ago, Vesper said:

Why? So we can always see how it is to be overrun in MF and/or play 90% square or backward passes and/or slow the pace down to a crawl?

Our assessment is different on Jorginho, if you think he is upgradable and better options available that is fine. My point at the very least is resign Jorginho, and bring in enforcement. 

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17 hours ago, Blues Forever said:

I think we will probably spending big on the midfielders since Kante and Jorginho are leaving. Kovacic also has 2 year left, so we need to make another big decision either keep or sell.

I highly doubt the club will let both midfielders just walk away on free transfers.   I'd be shocked if a deal wasn't offered to Jorginho (whether he accepts it or decides to cash in on a nice deal + signing on fee from an Italian club remains to be seen). 

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18 hours ago, Vesper said:

I am so not counting on signing any of those 3

to buy all three would cost around £350m or so, maybe more

Bellingham won't come to us if the likes of Real Madrid and City are going after him and De Jong won't leave Barcelona till he gets his deferred wages. 

That leaves Declan Rice, let's see how much the new owners are willing to spend...

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7 hours ago, Clockwork said:

Our assessment is different on Jorginho, if you think he is upgradable and better options available that is fine. My point at the very least is resign Jorginho, and bring in enforcement. 

I have listed my upgrades for ages. Jorginho has often been a disaster over the past year or so. Maybe Potter has some way to better utilise him, and if so, he truly is a genius.

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Players like Bellingham and De Jong are likely only to come if we have CL football next season. 

Rice I feel would jump at the chance no matter what if we pay the money. So I still think he’s the likeliest of the super expensive midfield targets.

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13 minutes ago, Pizy said:

Players like Bellingham and De Jong are likely only to come if we have CL football next season. 

Rice I feel would jump at the chance no matter what if we pay the money. So I still think he’s the likeliest of the super expensive midfield targets.

Rice turns 25 in the middle of next season. Next summer is the last one where we would get 5 full sub 30yo seasons out of Rice (and almost all trad DMFs go to shit after they are older than 30yo), so, in terms of paying way over £100m, say in the the £125m to even £150m range, it will be do or die time for me

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5 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Rice turns 25 in the middle of next season. Next summer is the last one where we would get 5 full sub 30yo seasons out of Rice (and almost all trad DMFs go to shit after they are older than 30yo), so, in terms of paying way over £100m, say in the the £125m to even £150m range, it will be do or die time for me

top 10 over-30yo DMF's in terms of valuation on TMarkt: (and six of the ten are only 31yo, to show you how utterly younger player loaded the position is)

N'Golo Kanté (and Kante is down to only £36m, at at only 31yo)

massive drop off, the next, de Roon, is only £15.3m

Marten de Roon (31yo)
Mateus Uribe  (31yo)
Danilo Pereira (31yo)
Benjamin André (just turned 32yo)

all the rest are under £10m

Allan (31yo)
Sergio Busquets  (so NOT a trad DMF)
Grzegorz Krychowiak  
Arijan Ademi  (31yo)
Taras Stepanenko 

all the rest are under £5m

plus

other ones, well known, but worth even less, many long ago went to shit, but some are only 31

   
Francis Coquelin
Nemanja Matić 
Steven Nzonzi   
Oriol Romeu  
Axel Witsel (the only one on this entire list, plus the non listed Fernandinho, who was great 32yo and older as a trad DMF)
Victor Wanyama 
Cheikhou Kouyaté
Fernando     
Morgan Schneiderlin
Javi Martínez   
Luka Milivojevic  
Étienne Capoue  
Asier Illarramendi  
Sebastian Rudy
Jake Livermore  

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