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3 hours ago, Blues Forever said:

Nope, those numbers wasn't from midfield. While Nkunku is versatile like Havertz was at Leverkusen, he only look decent as either second striker or no. 10. If we are planning to use him as a winger, might as well sign someone like Kvaratskhelia instead.

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I am really not very sold on Nkunku, he screams to me another Budesliga attacker that does well over their because of the space he is afforded like Werner, Sancho, Kai etc. 

Kvaratskhelia looks more like someone who would adapt quickly in the PL. 

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7 hours ago, Reddish-Blue said:

I agree but forcing a player to do something they are not good at just points to poor man management by the manager in charge. 

It's like a manager asking a wide player/winger to "track back" or play out of position as a wingback because the manager is too lazy to adapt his tactics to the players at his disposal.  

What's the alternative we change our system to something which isn't really "the trend" at the top in the present day (hence Mou's decline) to accommodate a good but not great defender?

Apart from Lampard all our post Mou managers did manage the situation properly. Conte and Tuchel loaned/sold him at the first avaliable opportunity while Sarri let him go before he even kicked a competitive ball for him.

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8 hours ago, Reddish-Blue said:

So people are now pretending that Zouma didn't help the defense at all, especially when the opposition would break at pace against us on a counter and Zouma was often the only one trying to make a challenge as Cahill was absolutely cooked by any decent counter. 

Literally no one said that. 

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9 hours ago, Reddish-Blue said:

I agree but forcing a player to do something they are not good at just points to poor man management by the manager in charge. 

It's like a manager asking a wide player/winger to "track back" or play out of position as a wingback because the manager is too lazy to adapt his tactics to the players at his disposal.  

Being comfortable on the ball is an essential to being a modern day professional footballer though? Even more so as a central defender in this day and age where every Tom, Dick or Harry is a Guardiola acolyte. I mean every half decent team in Europe is proactive with the ball and able to play out to a reasonable degree. 

So is it really poor man management? Absolutely not. 

4 hours ago, King Kante said:

I am really not very sold on Nkunku, he screams to me another Budesliga attacker that does well over their because of the space he is afforded like Werner, Sancho, Kai etc. 

Kvaratskhelia looks more like someone who would adapt quickly in the PL. 

Kvaratskhelia looks like he could be a good player but again, a lot of people are basing this off of like 15 games from his time in Italy with Napoli. And thats it.

Still too early to be entirely convinced that he is the real deal and I think he would be wise to remain at Napoli for another season at least and repeat what he’s doing so far.

Although football doesn’t always work like that.

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8 hours ago, Blues Forever said:

Nope, those numbers wasn't from midfield. While Nkunku is versatile like Havertz was at Leverkusen, he only look decent as either second striker or no. 10. If we are planning to use him as a winger, might as well sign someone like Kvaratskhelia instead.

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his numbers are off the chain no matter where he is 'officially' listed as playing, stop hating

how much have you watched him play?

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16 minutes ago, cosmicway said:

We are cl winners.
Who they want to join ? Edessaikos ?

We are behind Real, Barca, Bayern, United, City, Pool, PSG in the european pecking order. To say otherwise is unrealistic in my view. There is a reason we settled for the likes of Werner and Ziyech in the last few years.

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22 hours ago, ulvhedin said:

Ok, you are right [about Omari Hutchinson], especially after last evening 😄 

Hutchinson isn't giving me sure thing vibes like Reece was at age 18 but he's making encouraging progress and has a chance I'd say. I hope GP includes him in the squad for the League Cup game at City next month. Can't see Hutchinson getting a start but 10/15 mins would be good. I suppose that for him to get on we'd have to be comfortably ahead, or comfortably behind, but if Hutchinson just makes the trip, it'll be a start.

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48 minutes ago, Beigl said:

We are behind Real, Barca, Bayern, United, City, Pool, PSG in the european pecking order. To say otherwise is unrealistic in my view. There is a reason we settled for the likes of Werner and Ziyech in the last few years.

Behind Barca I doubt. Also PSG have to face weaker opposition at home and their strength in Europe is yet to be seen.
Real, City I would agree and Bayern are always impressive. Pool why ?
But it's a question of money really, not current team ratings.
 

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1 hour ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

Hutchinson isn't giving me sure thing vibes like Reece was at age 18 but he's making encouraging progress and has a chance I'd say. I hope GP includes him in the squad for the League Cup game at City next month. Can't see Hutchinson getting a start but 10/15 mins would be good. I suppose that for him to get on we'd have to be comfortably ahead, or comfortably behind, but if Hutchinson just makes the trip, it'll be a start.

Hutchinson may not even make the trip considering Zakaria can't even get minutes off the bench (even though our midfield has been overrun the last few games)...and Zakaria's strength from watching him in the Bundesliga was physicality and ability to cover ground from box to box. 

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7 hours ago, Reddish-Blue said:

Hutchinson may not even make the trip considering Zakaria can't even get minutes off the bench (even though our midfield has been overrun the last few games)...and Zakaria's strength from watching him in the Bundesliga was physicality and ability to cover ground from box to box. 

I agree that, on the face of it, Zakaria would have to get at least a look for us. The fact that he hasn't means that everybody's favourite theory about why he hasn't, is probably right: -

  • Potter would like to bring in a different midfielder in January
  • The budget won't allow him to do this unless he can move a midfielder out
  • Denis is the player Potter is willing to sacrifice
  • Juve do not want Zakaria back and will only take him if they can loan him elsewhere
  • The two clubs per season (maximum) rule means that if Zakaria plays for us he can't then be sent on a second loan
  • All of this makes Denis a victim of the Tuchel sacking. If TT had stayed, Denis would probably have played. 

 

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