Chelsea Transfers

[Tomo 21,751]

3 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

I think if he goes to United and works wirh ten Haag, it could have success story written all over it, I really do. I mean look at how the likes of Tadic, van der Beek, Ziyech etc all thrived under him at Ajax particularly in European competitions and then struggled under other managers.

In the case of Van De Beek one of the "other managers" is Ten Hag himself.

I'd say it was more the Dutch league that inflated their percieved ability, as good as that one European campaign (which still had the end result of blowing a 3 goal lead to bloody Tottenham) was, it was effectively a Leicester esque phenomenon.

[Pizy 18,891]

36 minutes ago, Clockwork said:

Wtf was the point of Fofana and you have Borja, another “potential” ST.

Exactly. Why tf would we bring in a 21 year old kid to as our new striker when we’ve already got two striker of the same age. We need the finished article, ffs! 

[Blue Armour 4,438]

52 minutes ago, TheHulk said:

 

Ffs are they going to do this to evey player who doesn't sign their cracked 8 year deal?

[Mário César 1,250]

11 minutes ago, Pizy said:

Exactly. Why tf would we bring in a 21 year old kid to as our new striker when we’ve already got two striker of the same age. We need the finished article, ffs! 

yeah we have broja and fofana. why another player like them?

we need world class or at least a stabilish center forward 

[Vesper 30,153]

3 hours ago, robsblubot said:

Mata was way overrated.

54 total goals produced 10 years ago for us

19 goals and THIRTY-FIVE assists

Havertz can but DREAM of numbers like that

[Mário César 1,250]

Mata overrated loooool

[ZAPHOD2319 4,814]

I have no problem selling our under performing players to rivals so they can under perform there too. I look forward to my Arsenal friends moaning loudly....please stop buying Chelsea rejects!!!

[robsblubot 3,595]

30 minutes ago, Vesper said:

54 total goals produced 10 years ago for us

19 goals and THIRTY-FIVE assists

Havertz can but DREAM of numbers like that

No argument there. He was an assist machine, and could strike the ball like few other players--better than Eden for ex.

At the same time, he wasn't all rounded. He was physically weak, and at the same time not quick enough to avoid contact, which made him somewhat of an easy prey in big games in tight spaces. He had somewhat low workrate and for that reason could not press high very well. He could still strike the ball like few others, so could still contribute even when not finding spaces. 

I think he was a very good player, but a bit single-dimensional like Fabregas and many others were. I know when you say "overrated" people immediately think you don't rate a player, but that's not the case here.

I'm just not that crazy about that type of player esp in the modern game. I prefer all players firing in all cylinders at all times.

Edited June 14, 2023 by robsblubot

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

21 minutes ago, Tomo said:

In the case of Van De Beek one of the "other managers" is Ten Hag himself.

I'd say it was more the Dutch league that inflated their percieved ability, as good as that one European campaign (which still had the end result of blowing a 3 goal lead to bloody Tottenham) was, it was effectively a Leicester esque phenomenon.

Perhaps.

I think with VdB at United and even his spell Everton, he isn’t necessarily a typical number 10 or a typical number 8 - he’s a weird player to categorise. At Ajax he and Tadic both seemed to interchange and play in this weird withdrawn CF role, particularly in CL games. Not a bad player and not a bad skillset as typically to be expected coming from Holland and Ajax but maybe just not suited to a top top club. Or PL football in a more rigid system. 

Point regarding Dutch league is also valid but the likes of Ziyech, VdB, FdJ, de Ligt all got big moves after working with ten Haag. There are different levels of ability and talent there but I think he’s shown he can bring the best out of certain players and bring them on. Has shown this particularly with likes of Marcus Rashford, Bruno Fernandes and Luke Shaw already at United. Granted Fernandes maybe stat pads certain performances but there seemed to be a bit more of that impact he had when he first arrived there last season than the huge disappearing acts he would do at times in the season before last. Likes of Shaw & Rashford would of probably been chased out of OT with pitchforks before he came in.

Thats why I get the feeling there is still enough there and enough about Mount that someone like ten Haag, Klopp or Poch could get him back on the right path but if he doesn’t want to he here, can’t force him to stay. Not expecting him to go on and become absolutely top top level but as we’ve seen under Tuchel in the CL run, on his day he can make a big impact.

[Pizy 18,891]

1 minute ago, ZAPHOD2319 said:

I have no problem selling our under performing players to rivals so they can under perform there too. I look forward to my Arsenal friends moaning loudly....please stop buying Chelsea rejects!!!

It just feels different to me depending on the position they play. Seeing Jorginho or Kova doin the same sort of boring stuff in midfield they did here doesn’t bother me at all. 
 

But when we see Havertz banging in goals for a rival it will be extremely annoying. Especially for the club I despise more than any other.

[Superblue 6,372]

A little patience needed. I think over the coming weeks we'll see a bit of a domino effect at the club with regards to incomings and outgoings but it's still very early days so far and the club should always look to drive a hard bargain in negotiations first anyway.

I think the outgoings are significantly more important to get done regardless. Considering the squad will be freshened up a little bit with returning loanees, if we only sold players this summer and didn't buy anyone, I still think with a smaller and more settled group, we'd perform a lot better next season anyway.

One thing to note regarding the outgoings is if the 30th June is a "cut off" period for the seasons FFP, some of the players we're looking to move on will likely be done after this date, so any potential FFP losses on deals can be absorbed in next year's books instead. For example, release Auba now and his full transfer value will fall into last season's FFP. Release Auba in July and the transfer fee will be split in half over last season and this one. The likes of Koulibaly, Lukaku, Kepa, Cucurella could all fall into a similar position, where pushing their amortisation into another season before trying to move them on may help with being able to sell them for a loss.

 

[robsblubot 3,595]

7 minutes ago, Pizy said:

It just feels different to me depending on the position they play. Seeing Jorginho or Kova doin the same sort of boring stuff in midfield they did here doesn’t bother me at all. 
 

But when we see Havertz banging in goals for a rival it will be extremely annoying. Especially for the club I despise more than any other.

indeed. Kai could become a thorn if he gets back to some sort of form.

Jorginho I wasn't much bothered with, but Kova will fit City's system too well for my taste.

"the same sort of boring stuff in midfield" that's literally City's system: most players do boring stuff 99% of the time until someone finds a little bit of space and creates something. Easier when it's a KDB who finds that space tho.

Edited June 14, 2023 by robsblubot

[ZAPHOD2319 4,814]

4 minutes ago, Pizy said:

It just feels different to me depending on the position they play. Seeing Jorginho or Kova doin the same sort of boring stuff in midfield they did here doesn’t bother me at all. 
 

But when we see Havertz banging in goals for a rival it will be extremely annoying. Especially for the club I despise more than any other.

I will believe that Kai starts banging in goals when I see it. He had one great goal for the UCL. On a week in week out basis, he has been incredibly erratic. I just can't see him all of the sudden become the generational talent he was supposed to be when we bought him.

 

This is Kai

In the English Premier League season 2022/23, Kai Havertz played 27 matches (plus 5 as a sub). They had 30 shots on target from a total of 57 shots and scored 7 goals (11.27 xG).

[Reddish-Blue 2,503]

8 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

Perhaps.

I think with VdB at United and even his spell Everton, he isn’t necessarily a typical number 10 or a typical number 8 - he’s a weird player to categorise. At Ajax he and Tadic both seemed to interchange and play in this weird withdrawn CF role, particularly in CL games. Not a bad player and not a bad skillset as typically to be expected coming from Holland and Ajax but maybe just not suited to a top top club. Or PL football in a more rigid system. 

Point regarding Dutch league is also valid but the likes of Ziyech, VdB, FdJ, de Ligt all got big moves after working with ten Haag. There are different levels of ability and talent there but I think he’s shown he can bring the best out of certain players and bring them on. Has shown this particularly with likes of Marcus Rashford, Bruno Fernandes and Luke Shaw already at United. Granted Fernandes maybe stat pads certain performances but there seemed to be a bit more of that impact he had when he first arrived there last season than the huge disappearing acts he would do at times in the season before last. Likes of Shaw & Rashford would of probably been chased out of OT with pitchforks before he came in.

Thats why I get the feeling there is still enough there and enough about Mount that someone like ten Haag, Klopp or Poch could get him back on the right path but if he doesn’t want to he here, can’t force him to stay. Not expecting him to go on and become absolutely top top level but as we’ve seen under Tuchel in the CL run, on his day he can make a big impact.

With Mount, the question will always be consistency and goals/assists from midfield.   If he can improve his goals/assists for his next club then they will most definitely get a very solid midfielder. 

We all know what Mount "can" do when he feels like it but in the same way, he also threw in the towel early this season when things weren't going his way (even rejecting contract offers from the club that brought him through). 

I would be far more concerned if Mount ended up at Liverpool as I feel Klopp would make him top class as he loves pressing machines over there.   I guess he would still be an upgrade on McTom/Fred in the United midfield setup. 

[Gundalf 805]

So far for the "is closing in" and "is pushing hard" and "close to" blahblah. 

Edited June 14, 2023 by Gundalf