Tomo 21,751 Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 3 minutes ago, Costa19 said: The Bridge turning against the new owners and booing them No CL or EL One more season of a freshly contracted Jorginho, Kova and RLC midfield 🤦♂️ If i ever get to the point I'm that unhappy with the ownership i won't go. Booing and demanding ownership to leave while simultaneously giving them money is about the most contradictory thing you can do. Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mhsc 1,098 Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 A few days ago loads of people around the internet calling us mugs because we were going to overpay for this guy Today loads of people around the internet calling us mugs for refusing to pay lots of money for this guy after only a couple of day's of negotiation, it is the 4th of January and discussions just started bohops 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 Just now, didi007 said: 120m is too much for a player who has only played in Europe for 6 mths, however skilled. Granted hes won the world cup but which player wouldnt if they are playing with the likes of Messi and co? The players in the 2006, 2010, 2014 and 2018 Argentina WC squads. Vesper, Strike and MoroccanBlue 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoroccanBlue 5,383 Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 5 minutes ago, Costa19 said: The Bridge turning against the new owners and booing them No CL or EL One more season of a freshly contracted Jorginho, Kova and RLC midfield 🤦♂️ I think what's horrific is that it isn't entirely out of the realm of possibility both Jorginho and Azpilicueta are starting for us in the 2024 season. An utter miracle we won the CL under Tuchel after this catastrophic array of poor transfers since 2017. Laylabelle, Costa19 and Strike 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jype 6,398 Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 (edited) What's the chance Benfica execs took to Twitter today and saw reports of Boehly willing to 'blow Arsenal out of the water' with Mudryk and then decided to shift the goalposts and demand the full 120M€ up front instead of a structured payment plan? Edited January 4, 2023 by Jype Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegetable 830 Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 Just a remainder that we are having a Sporting Director in place, who seems to be no fool and surely he has some say in transfer business now. If he'd rate Enzo enough to pay 130 mil and not complain, TB would pay and not complain, I guess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superblue 6,372 Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 A lot of these reports seem to be coming from Benfica's end and coincidentally after reported meetings last night where Rui Costa came to London. Not surprised at all, deals of this magnitude never go through completely smoothly. I do believe that a deal in principle has been agreed with regards to price but it's important to both clubs to get the right deal with regards to payment structure. Note that Arsenal are finding the exact same issues with Mudryk about a higher up front fee and now there's lots of rumours surrounding him which do seem to be coming from Shakhtar's end. If this falls through, my only hope is the club don't panic and buy an inferior option this window. Would much rather go back to the table in the summer or spend another 6 months scouting properly for alternatives than a panic buy that'll set us back even further. This season isn't far off a write off situation as it is, we don't need to be impacting next season with panic buys now. mkh and Mhsc 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegetable 830 Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Jype said: What's the chance Benfica execs took to Twitter today and saw reports of Boehly willing to 'blow Arsenal out of the water' with Mudryk and then decided to shift the goalposts and demand the full 120M€ up front instead of a structured payment plan? Wonder what would Benfica gain from "decision not to sell" - he is hot after WC, it's risky to think he will be worth 200 million in summer. Much more probable it will be more like 80. No other offers to fulfill the clause of what we know, so what's the plan here? Last window TB shown nothing but desperation and they know it, so maybe no harm in pulling off for a week. Edited January 4, 2023 by Vegetable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDA 9,941 Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 16 minutes ago, Jype said: What's the chance Benfica execs took to Twitter today and saw reports of Boehly willing to 'blow Arsenal out of the water' with Mudryk and then decided to shift the goalposts and demand the full 120M€ up front instead of a structured payment plan? That's exactly what's happened... naive as fuck.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,140 Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 We will still get him mkh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 18,952 Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 I suppose there’s still hope until we get an Ornstein or Law tweet saying we’ve walked away. Those are the two ironclad, most trustworthy guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superblue 6,372 Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 1 minute ago, DDA said: That's exactly what's happened... naive as fuck.... It's hardly like Boehly has come out on record and said he's blowing anyone out of the water for Mudryk. It's a usual sensationalist Twitter headline for clicks. I highly doubt Benfica would be looking at something like that and making huge boardroom decisions because some rag has put out that headline. They will have an idea already what they want going to the negotiation table and as we're not looking to pay the release clause in one lump, they know there's the opportunity to negotiate and try to get the best deal for themselves possible. They've always been tough negotiators, and I think this just needs a bit of time to see if an agreement can be reached. We're at the start of the window, Benfica could stretch this out if they choose, and may also be stalling a bit of time themselves to find a replacement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHulk 2,483 Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 (edited) Pretty sure this is what happened, it' something the clueless American would do to pretend he is smart and now Benfica obviously pissed had said fuck this shit pay release clause or nothing. Moronic to say at least from a billionaire who made his fortune to be so dumb. Edited January 4, 2023 by TheHulk Laylabelle 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jype 6,398 Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 1 minute ago, Superblue said: It's hardly like Boehly has come out on record and said he's blowing anyone out of the water for Mudryk. It's a usual sensationalist Twitter headline for clicks. I highly doubt Benfica would be looking at something like that and making huge boardroom decisions because some rag has put out that headline. They will have an idea already what they want going to the negotiation table and as we're not looking to pay the release clause in one lump, they know there's the opportunity to negotiate and try to get the best deal for themselves possible. They've always been tough negotiators, and I think this just needs a bit of time to see if an agreement can be reached. We're at the start of the window, Benfica could stretch this out if they choose, and may also be stalling a bit of time themselves to find a replacement. The headline may have been a little sensationalist but the content sure wasn't. All credible Chelsea-based journalists have today confirmed we're in for Mudryk if the Arsenal move collapses and the reason they know that is because it was leaked by someone inside the club. Maybe not the best idea to go shouting from the rooftops how you're aiming to make another 80-100M transfer when you're trying to negotiate lower terms for another one. didi007 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHulk 2,483 Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 (edited) Why would Benfica come to the tables in the first place to talk if today we hear they want the release clause or nothing? Only explication is Chelsea changed terms which pissed Benfica off. If it was related to first payment being a big lump only we would've heard reports how the 2 clubs stalled in negotiation over the installment of the first payment but all we hear is they want release clause. The American is extremely dumb and I really hope he gets exposed by all these credible journalists that he tried to low ball on his words. Edited January 4, 2023 by TheHulk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superblue 6,372 Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 I may be wrong with this but my understanding is Enzo has a buyout clause like the ones in Spain, not a simple release clause. For FFP purposes, because a buyout clause is between player and club and the player has to activate it, the buying club giving the money to the player to activate it isn't treated the same way as usual transfer fees that are amortised over a contract length. They are instead treated as the full amount in that first year for FFP purposes. If that interpretation is indeed true, there's absolutely no chance of us 'simply' activating the clause to guarantee his signing, and hence why Benfica have got negotiating power and they obviously know it too. Strike and Costa19 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegetable 830 Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 17 minutes ago, TheHulk said: Pretty sure this is what happened, it' something the clueless American would do to pretend he is smart and now Benfica obviously pissed had said fuck this shit pay release clause or nothing. Moronic to say at least from a billionaire who made his fortune to be so dumb. I do not believe a single word of this tweet. Multi million dollar business is, after all, business, not 8 year old prima donnas who can afford to walk away because they didn't like the tweet or felt touched with offer. Media buzz is just another way of negotiation, they will pull all the tricks but it all comes for both sides to feel stuffed with cash in a right way. I'm getting highly sceptical of our new ownerships, but in this case if "american bad", it's only due to his willingness to overpay for unimpressive players, making it more difficult for us in the long run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,224 Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 43 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said: An utter miracle we won the CL under Tuchel after this catastrophic array of poor transfers since 2017. THIS and because of that miracle, we also finally the Super Cup (under Roman, we had won it before) and for the first and only time, the World Club Championship BUT we BARELY won those games (other than the semi of the FWCC), against vastly poorer teams. We also have lost 3 FA Cup finals in a row, plus the League Cup again last season (both to fucking Pool) we will not have a new stadium finished for 5 to 7 years I wager, and until I see plans, I have doubts it will be sufficient with Boehly and Co now shtting away quid like they are, we will soon pass the 1 billion quid pissed away since 2016/17 mark. we are in fairly dire straits atm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegetable 830 Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Superblue said: I may be wrong with this but my understanding is Enzo has a buyout clause like the ones in Spain, not a simple release clause. For FFP purposes, because a buyout clause is between player and club and the player has to activate it, the buying club giving the money to the player to activate it isn't treated the same way as usual transfer fees that are amortised over a contract length. They are instead treated as the full amount in that first year for FFP purposes. If that interpretation is indeed true, there's absolutely no chance of us 'simply' activating the clause to guarantee his signing, and hence why Benfica have got negotiating power and they obviously know it too. Care to elaborate on this? Of what I understand, the 120 mil release clause in typical Spanish manner is ridiculous, compared to actual player's worth, to prevent other clubs activating it without original club's consent. We could just route this 120 + tax through Enzo and run, but we want to avoid a single expense of this size, so we are negotiating for a sum sizably bigger, than said clause, but in installments. So given no immediate interest from other clubs we aren't really negotiating for some incredibly great deal for us, are we? Don't Benfica feel bit too powerful here? Edited January 4, 2023 by Vegetable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,224 Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 48 minutes ago, Vegetable said: Just a remainder that we are having a Sporting Director in place, who seems to be no fool and surely he has some say in transfer business now. If he'd rate Enzo enough to pay 130 mil and not complain, TB would pay and not complain, I guess Unless I misunderstand your post, we do NOT have a sporting director yet, that is the last unfilled position, as I have posted on multiple times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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