Superblue 6,372 Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 3 minutes ago, Vesper said: The only 'best in the world at his position when we bought him' player was Ashley Cole. Lampard developed into the best AMF by far on the planet whilst here, he was far from WC when we bought him, and we had another who did the same, but the stupid AF board sold him with no buyback. John Terry maybe had a brief spell where he was the best CB on the planet (that is debatable), but he was an academy player. That's it. We simply cannot compete for the (in their prime) CR7, Messi, Mbappe, Kimmich, Lewa, etc types. It isn't happening anytime soon, if ever. That is totally oki for me. I do not like the Galactico philosophy. We have proven now you can win it all without it. I DO DO DO DO insist that the new super stadium be built ASAP. That IS hurting us with 'non best in planet but still WC' recruiting. Yep, I would probably argue there were three players really at their peak who were anything in or around the "world class" bracket that we've signed and were a success and they were Ashley Cole, Makelele and Ballack. Hazard would fall into the bracket of the absolutely best young players who everybody seemed to desire. Besides that our best players have become top players here. It is always the way I would champion. Anytime we've gone for a 'superstar' glamour signing we've fallen flat on our face. Lukaku is now joining Torres and Sheva in expensive indulgent strikers who we've overpaid for and to and are now stuck trying to deal with for seasons to come. Having said that transfer prices are becoming so ridiculous now that even a basic standard player is £20m, potential is minimum £40m and too many players are being bracketed into a price range that they don't justify. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superblue 6,372 Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 I know Madrid still have a tendency to like the big name signing but they have changed tact quite a bit in recent seasons. Mbappe would have been an eye watering deal but still has his best years in front of him, it's only really Hazard in recent seasons that they've bought as a bit of a glamour buy and I think the experience of him and Bale recently probably puts them off buying older 'stars'. They've invested a lot of money in younger players like Valverde, Camavinga, Vini who have been able to grow and develop underneath established names and are now primed to take front foot roles in the side. They've also exploited opportunities with players contracts running down or out with the likes of Courtois, Rudiger and Alaba, and very nearly Mbappe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,164 Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Mário César said: the only teams that buy with regularity world class players from other world class teams are Real (Ronaldo, Beckham, Kaka, Xabi Alonso, Zidane, etc) and maybe Barça You forget PSG and Citeh only teams to take in both Barca and Real lately for best (or at least a top 3 best) player and win, once straight off a roster, Barca with Neymar. Edited June 16, 2022 by Vesper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mário César 1,252 Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 3 minutes ago, Vesper said: You forget PSG and Cuteh only teams to take in both Barca and Real lately for best (or at least a top 3 best) player and win, once straight off a roster, Barca with Neymar. psg is true city it is not so true https://www.transfermarkt.com/manchester-city/transferrekorde/verein/281 in top 10 world class players are ony haaland and maybe cancelo) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blues Forever 1,232 Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 5 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said: I know Madrid still have a tendency to like the big name signing but they have changed tact quite a bit in recent seasons. Mbappe would have been an eye watering deal but still has his best years in front of him, it's only really Hazard in recent seasons that they've bought as a bit of a glamour buy and I think the experience of him and Bale recently probably puts them off buying older 'stars'. They've invested a lot of money in younger players like Valverde, Camavinga, Vini who have been able to grow and develop underneath established names and are now primed to take front foot roles in the side. They've also exploited opportunities with players contracts running down or out with the likes of Courtois, Rudiger and Alaba, and very nearly Mbappe. Madrid are very well run clubs, won 5 CLs in the last decade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blues Forever 1,232 Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 Fernando 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,164 Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 10 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said: Makelele and Ballack I can see a case for Makélélé, he also is not really an example of what I meant, as he turned 31yo a few months after we bought him, and his age (stupidly for Real as it turned out) was the main reason we got him. Ballack (30yo basically when we bought him, he turned 30 several weeks into the first season here) was sorta similar, and whist he was still a beast, he never came close to his prime Neverkusen and Bayern numbers with us. He certainly was not the best AMF/CMF on the planet (although still absolutely WC, I loved the signing and the player) when we bought him (Makélélé was DEFFO the best DMF on the planet, but it was not a competition for his sig between us and the 2 Spanish big twatters, because, as I stated above, Real stupidly thought him to old to sign a long term extension (massive mistake, it cost them dearly, and to our benefit.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superblue 6,372 Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 3 minutes ago, Vesper said: I can see a case for Makélélé, he also is not really an example of what I meant, as he turned 31yo a few months after we bought him, and his age (stupidly for Real as it turned out) was the main reason we got him. Ballack (30yo basically when we bought him, he turned 30 several weeks into the first season here) was sorta similar, and whist he was still a beast, he never came close to his prime Neverkusen and Bayern numbers with us. He certainly was not the best AMF/CMF on the planet (although still absolutely WC, I loved the signing and the player) when we bought him (Makélélé was DEFFO the best DMF on the planet, but it was not a competition for his sig between us and the 2 Spanish big twatters, because, as I stated above, Real stupidly thought him to old to sign a long term extension (massive mistake, it cost them dearly, and to our benefit.) They are both very comparable to the signings of Sheva and Lukaku though because of their respective ages there was never going to be a resale value with them. There have been a lot of players that other clubs have spent fortunes buying who are in the 27-28 year old bracket or older (Hazard as prime example for Madrid) and taking those risks. I don't like that, because the risk is just so bloody extreme if it goes wrong like we're seeing now with Lukaku. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Armour 4,439 Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 57 minutes ago, Vesper said: The only 'best in the world at his position when we bought him' player was Ashley Cole. Lampard developed into the best AMF by far on the planet whilst here, he was far from WC when we bought him, and we had another who did the same, but the stupid AF board sold him with no buyback. John Terry maybe had a brief spell where he was the best CB on the planet (that is debatable), but he was an academy player. That's it. We simply cannot compete for the (in their prime) CR7, Messi, Mbappe, Kimmich, Lewa, etc types. It isn't happening anytime soon, if ever. That is totally oki for me. I do not like the Galactico philosophy. We have proven now you can win it all without it. I DO DO DO DO insist that the new super stadium be built ASAP. That IS hurting us with 'non best in planet but still WC' recruiting. Hazard too. That's the kind of signing I'd like for us to make again. And DeBruyne. And Salah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whats happening 1,615 Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 2 hours ago, Kong said: How can you agree with a player on stuff that involves owners when we didn't have an owner? why would you need an owner you can have an agreement between a player/players agent and the buyer clubs representative with some sort of ultimatum. lets say if a club doesnt have an owner and everything sorted out until june 15th then deal is off. just an example... its not like our whole club changed and we are starting from 0. if thats the case is a bit amateurish. but even then you have scouts who should already have a list of players who we should buy... Blue Armour 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 18,897 Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 So are we even going to try or….? Not sure who else is out there to replace Lukaku in terms of actual strikers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando 6,585 Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 I don't want Gabriel. For Lukaku going we will see who we can get to replace him, but not Gabriel at that price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superblue 6,372 Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 25 minutes ago, whats happening said: why would you need an owner you can have an agreement between a player/players agent and the buyer clubs representative with some sort of ultimatum. lets say if a club doesnt have an owner and everything sorted out until june 15th then deal is off. just an example... its not like our whole club changed and we are starting from 0. if thats the case is a bit amateurish. but even then you have scouts who should already have a list of players who we should buy... I'm pretty certain there has been discussions and likely base agreements in place with players but it's a different situation negotiating with clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorkshireBlue 3,275 Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 1 hour ago, whats happening said: why would you need an owner you can have an agreement between a player/players agent and the buyer clubs representative with some sort of ultimatum. lets say if a club doesnt have an owner and everything sorted out until june 15th then deal is off. just an example... its not like our whole club changed and we are starting from 0. if thats the case is a bit amateurish. but even then you have scouts who should already have a list of players who we should buy... How can you have an agreement when there is no 1 there to allow that agreement to happen, how can you expect us to go out and offer players another man's money who hasn't even bought the club yet are u mental? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whats happening 1,615 Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 i give up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 18,897 Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 1 hour ago, Fernando said: I don't want Gabriel. For Lukaku going we will see who we can get to replace him, but not Gabriel at that price. Who then? I’d rather just go the City/Liverpool route of the last few years and play with a load of midfielders than take a chance on some random striker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando 6,585 Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 19 minutes ago, Pizy said: Who then? I’d rather just go the City/Liverpool route of the last few years and play with a load of midfielders than take a chance on some random striker. If we can't find one then just do that for now. Because that was the mistake in buying lukaku when the other options was not available. Just buy winger and midfielders for now. As well CB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,164 Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 On 15/06/2022 at 18:02, Clockwork said: I would not want any of Inter player you ae slating off WC or really good players because Lukaku was a donkey? smdh Milan Skriniar Alessandro Bastoni (many would bold him, I am off his train, Uwill come back on if he improves over the next season, as he has regressed a lot atm) Stefan de Vrij (if he was on a free (he is not), I would snap him up, as he has 3 good years left and would make a good stopgap filler) Federico Dimarco Marcelo Brozovic Nicolò Barella Denzel Dumfries Robin Gosens Lautaro Martínez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,164 Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 8 hours ago, Pizy said: It’s really hard for me to think this is all about us being unable to offload players. We have already done so! Two staring CB’s have gone. £70-80m or so worth of players and we got NOTHING!!!!!!! but, sure, Marina is a genius Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoroccanBlue 5,380 Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 City - Alvarez, Haaland, Cucurella pending Liverpool - Nunez, Carvalho, Ramsey, Bellingham pending next summer Spurs - Perisic, Bissouma, Spence, Richarlson pending Arsenal - Jesus, Vieria, Hickey, Tielemans pending Chelsea - Billy Gilmour Extension. guddy69 and Laylabelle 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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