Chelsea Transfers

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27 minutes ago, Jas said:

His agent quotes:

https://www.marca.com/en/football/ligue-1/2021/07/10/60e96a4be2704eb09e8b463b.html

"Real Madrid had the right of first refusal until PSG and Inter said that the deal was going to happen," explained Camano.

"We maintain the illusion and the dream that Achraf will return to Real Madrid because he was born in Madrid, he grew up in Madrid and, as a final goal, one day, he would like to play for Real Madrid"

Camano admitted that there was also interest from the reigning European champions.

"Chelsea also bid for Achraf. The fact that they are champions of Europe perhaps threw him back."

he is an idiot then (not for wanting to go play at RM)

EOS

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1 minute ago, Vesper said:

does he not think the pressure on him will be insane at PSG???? he is a fool if he thinks it will not be

PSG is PSG mate, a piss poor league, massive wages, not much pressure compared to Chels and EPL where the expectation is high under a manager that demands you are on it at all times. Life is most def easier at PSG vs Chels. We dodged a bullet.

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30 minutes ago, Hashishi said:

There is no pressure on him to win CL at PSG.

tell that to the trillion quid sheiks

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Just now, Vesper said:

tell that to the trillion quid sheiks

Lol you are right but overall its way easier in France. So many good teams in EPL, highest tempo etc........he pussied out.

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Just now, Vesper said:

tell that to the trillion quid sheiks

Think of how many managers Abramovich has sold before you judge who is more ruthless. Also think of how Hakim has adapted to prem, I think Hakimi would take a while to settle, if he ever did. 

[Tomo 21,751]

1 hour ago, Pizy said:

He does, but if we can’t get a top of the line, marquee striker than I’d rather us get a cheap stopgap than spending 50m or something on a mid level guy who might be a bust and we’re stuck with them when Haaland is available next summer.

If we can get someone in the £25-30m range this summer who may not be spectacular but is effective and can score the easy chances we create that’ll have to do. Then that striker can become our backup striker next season.

Or perhaps the plan is to just stick with Tammy and Kai. Which…..wouldn’t be good.

I really wish it was as simple as that but part of the reason we create so many chances is because everyone is involved in not only the build up but the pressing to force opposition errors in dangerous areas. A fox in the box striker to "finish what we create" sounds good in theory but it could quite easily go the other way where our chance creation goes through the floor and we're relying on said player to finish almost every chance he gets.

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13 minutes ago, Hashishi said:

Think of how many managers Abramovich has sold before you judge who is more ruthless. Also think of how Hakim has adapted to prem, I think Hakimi would take a while to settle, if he ever did. 

not saying the pressure here would not have been worse, but it hardly will be non-existent in Paris

the French press is HORRID too

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1 minute ago, Tomo said:

I really wish it was as simple as that but part of the reason we create so many chances is because everyone is involved in not only the build up but the pressing to force opposition errors in dangerous areas. A fox in the box striker to "finish what we create" sounds good in theory but it could quite easily go the other way where our chance creation goes through the floor and we're relying on said player to finish almost every chance he gets.

What’s the solution then?

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1 hour ago, Jas said:

Zorc just came out and said it today. I did not keep track of their previous comments and am sure they have also said it some time this year. And the media, including the German, have also been reporting Dortmund have no intention to sell this summer. So am mostly just going by that.

Under pressure to sell as in? If we actually put in the 175 million euros bid? Or just in general? 

That is exactly what he didn't do. He just said "we are still planning with him", which is the weakest possible statement you can make, and decidedly different from what he said about the other players.

And yes, under pressure to sell, IF a huge bid comes in. 

[Tomo 21,751]

22 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

What’s the solution then?

There's no easy solution, Tuchel is paid the big bucks to hopefully find a way. However, we of all supporters should know signing strikers because they "guarantee goals" is a dangerous game, even more so if we're overhauling a promising system to accommodate them.

The biggest case in point, Haaland aside, does any of our realistic targets actually have more goals last season than Kai and Werner did in 19/20?

Edited July 10, 2021 by Tomo

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7 minutes ago, Artandur said:

That is exactly what he didn't do. He just said "we are still planning with him", which is the weakest possible statement you can make, and decidedly different from what he said about the other players.

Well for that quote, give and take with the general consensus. They have probably said something more specific in the past. We know they're not gonna sell unless someone puts in a crazy offer that will make them think. 

7 minutes ago, Artandur said:

And yes, under pressure to sell, IF a huge bid comes in. 

Yeah, I suppose it will make them think.

But on the flip side, if they sell two of their biggest stars in the same window and they suddenly become uncompetitive and say, don't qualify for the Champions League (something that was a near possibility even with two of their biggest stars last season), then how will they explain that? 

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what? why?

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17 minutes ago, Jas said:

But on the flip side, if they sell two of their biggest stars in the same window and they suddenly become uncompetitive and say, don't qualify for the Champions League (something that was a near possibility even with two of their biggest stars last season), then how will they explain that? 

Yeah it would definitely be a huge risk for them. Speaking strictly financially losing out on cl would still be less of a loss than 100m though.. 

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13 minutes ago, Jas said:

 

But on the flip side, if they sell two of their biggest stars in the same window and they suddenly become uncompetitive and say, don't qualify for the Champions League (something that was a near possibility even with two of their biggest stars last season), then how will they explain that? 

they will have over a quarter of a BILLION euros to spend in the biggest buyer's market of the century

surely they can shore up the team ina MASSIVE way, and future-proof it as well by buying young and/or in early prime players

with players like Boubacar Kamara PLUS Aouar going for a combined £30m quid or so!

they can just rape and pillage Ligue 1, plus so many other players out there at bargain basement prices

they could, for instance, buy Lautaro (who does slot in perfectly for their style) for €80-90m and still have €170m or so left to spend for a NET ZERO outlay

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6 minutes ago, Vesper said:

they will have over a quarter of a BILLION euros to spend in the biggest buyer's market of the century

surely they can shore up the team ina MASSIVE way, and future-proof it as well by buying young and/or in early prime players

with players like Boubacar Kamara PLUS Aouar going for a combined £30m quid or so!

they can just rape and pillage Ligue 1, plus so many other players out there at bargain basement prices

they could, for instance, buy Lautaro (who does slot in perfectly for their style) for €80-90m and still have €170m or so left to spend for a NET ZERO outlay

Not saying Dortmund will reject our bid, if we do submit a big offer, but it is balancing act they will have to consider between staying competitive and pocketing money from transfers.

Let's not forget that they also just sold Sancho and have money now. Plus they will continue to get big money in years to come by selling the likes of Bellingham, Reyna etc (aside from Haaland). 

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41 minutes ago, Jas said:

Not saying Dortmund will reject our bid, if we do submit a big offer, but it is balancing act they will have to consider between staying competitive and pocketing money from transfers.

Let's not forget that they also just sold Sancho and have money now. Plus they will continue to get big money in years to come by selling the likes of Bellingham, Reyna etc (aside from Haaland). 

I am not predicting what they will do, just giving my opinion that they are fools to shit away an extra €75-100m (depending on our offer, and an extra €85-110m IF the release clause in only €65m next year, not €75m) all for only one more year of Håland, especially given the unique low point of this market pricing matrix atm

my dog the team I could build with €250-275m net zero spend in this market, especially given some of their players they already have

not only CL qualifying but for sure Bundesliga title contenders (Bayern will soon not have a completely prime Lewa and many of their players are unhappy with contracts, including the linchpins Kimmich and Goretzka)

play their cards right, they could be true CL threats down the nearish road, even with no Håland or Sancho

 

these are hardly dogshit players they already have

 

they just need to strengthen the back 4 plus a CF and some MFers and winger or two

Gregor Kobel great young Swiss GKer they just signed
Manuel Akanji  
Dan-Axel Zagadou 
Raphaël Guerreiro  
Thomas Meunier  
Emre Can 
Thomas Delaney  
Axel Witsel   (ageing though)
Jude Bellingham   (granted will leave in a year or two) 
Mahmoud Dahoud    
Giovanni Reyna  (same as Bellingham)
Julian Brandt  
Reinier   (on loan from RM)
Marco Reus   (ageing though)
Thorgan Hazard  
Youssoufa Moukoko   (potential absolute monster and is only 16yo)

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7 minutes ago, Vesper said:

I am not predicting what they will do, just giving my opinion that they are fools to shit away an extra €75-100m (depending on our offer, and an extra €85-110m IF the release clause in only €65m next year, not €75m) all for only one more year of Håland, especially given the unique low point of this market pricing matrix atm

my dog the team I could build with €250-275m net zero spend in this market, especially given some of their players they already have

not only CL qualifying but for sure Bundesliga title contenders (Bayern will soon not have a completely prime Lewa and many of their players are unhappy with contracts, including the linchpins Kimmich and Goretzka)

play their cards right, they could be true CL threats down the nearish road, even with no Håland or Sancho

 

these are hardly dogshit players they already have

 

they just need to strengthen the back 4 plus a CF and some MFers and winger or two

Gregor Kobel great young Swiss GKer they just signed
Manuel Akanji  
Dan-Axel Zagadou 
Raphaël Guerreiro  
Thomas Meunier  
Emre Can 
Thomas Delaney  
Axel Witsel   (ageing though)
Jude Bellingham   (granted will leave in a year or two) 
Mahmoud Dahoud    
Giovanni Reyna  (same as Bellingham)
Julian Brandt  
Reinier   (on loan from RM)
Marco Reus   (ageing though)
Thorgan Hazard  
Youssoufa Moukoko   (potential absolute monster and is only 16yo)

Well, too lazy to argue more over this. Guess we'll see what happens if we throw in big offer. 

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39 minutes ago, Jas said:

Well, too lazy to argue more over this. Guess we'll see what happens if we throw in big offer. 

I am not even arguing, lol

I have no clue what is going to happen

same as the rest of us

nothing is ever, ever easy with Chelsea

we are the only club to break through into the highest realms of the old giant ones (like RM, Barca, Pool, Manure, Bayern, Juve) in decades

and some of the them have long since fallen out, like AC Milan and Ajax

PSG and Citeh are pretenders to the throne

they can smash up the league, but fail always at the big boy level

Inter has always been half in, half out, and they did break through for one fairly recent season (the treble under Mou) but now are in the process of destroying a truly great side

Juve is one of the giants, but they are horrific in CL finals, they have only won two, 1985 and 1996, and lost SEVEN

Atleti are 0 for 3

Benfica is long since gone as a power and had a horrid 2 and 5 record anyway

Juve, Atletico, and Benfica are a combined 4 wins, FIFTEEN losses in CL/European Cup finals

Forest ( 2 wins, no losses in finals) are not even in topflight footie for ages

Porto have won both finals (Mou again for the last one) they were in but are hardly an elite club

that is every single multiple winner accounted for (plus Atletico tossed in for showing failure)

 

these are the only other winners not listed above

look at the dates, ages ago

none of them have a chance to win again, barring Dortmund (would take a tremendous amount of luck for them)

PSG, Atletico (the least likely of the 3), and Citeh are the only clubs without a win that remotely have a chance as it now stands to even join the ranks as new winners

I absolutely cannot see Arse or Spuds winning one anytime soon

it's a pretty closed loop system, has been for ages

The only teams who could have won it for the first time (ands not listed not listed above) in the past 30 season are Valencia (double losers 2000 and 2001, as is Reims, but that was in the 1950's for them), Neverkusen (2003), and Monaco (2004), and the last time any of them made the final was 18 seasons ago All 4 of those newbie title shots happened 2000-2004) In fact, remove Sampdoria ('92) and Roma ('84), and you have to go back to the 1970's to find a failed new winner chance (for a club not listed above or one that finally did win it, Marseille won in '93 after failing in '91).

We are the only club to break though as new winners since the early and mid 90's with Dortmund, Barca, Marseille, and Red Star Belgrade (the last two will so likely never win one again)

Barca got so lucky as they did not have to face the greatest AC Milan side ever (the undefeated 1991-92 team) as Milan was banned from the CL that year, due to them walking off the pitch in the 'lights out' game versus Marseille in March, 1991. If that had not happened (and AC Milan had beaten Barca in the '92 CL), Barca would have only won their first ever CL/EC in 2006 (when Arse choked, blew a 1 nil lead in the last 14 minutes). In other words, Barca would have ZERO European Cups/CL's without Messi on their roster. They really are Messi FC when it comes to highest of levels.

 

[OhForAGreavsie 6,072]

9 hours ago, Atomiswave said:

PSG is PSG mate, a piss poor league, massive wages, not much pressure compared to Chels and EPL where the expectation is high under a manager that demands you are on it at all times. Life is most def easier at PSG vs Chels. We dodged a bullet.

I agree that the quality of PSG relative to their league and the quality of Chelsea relative to ours makes it easier for a player to be effective and look impressive in Paris. If Hakimi is indeed thinking strategically about plotting his way back to Madrid however, I'm not sure that setting himself up to play the flat track bully in league football is the best way to impress. Looking good for Paris in Ligue 1 won't turn many heads when everyone believes that it is easy to look good for Paris in Ligue 1. The relative domestic power of PSG and Chelsea means that while there is a restless ambition for success in the DNA of modern Chelsea, it is in Paris, not London,  where ambition turns to expectation.

All of us recognise that you don't spend the money PSG has inorder to win Ligue 1. The whole reason-detre of modern PSG is Champions League success but I don't see why the pressure to achieve European glory should be a hindrance to a footballer seeking to impress. How better to catch Madrid's eye than to win the trophy they covet more than any other? This is where PSG's domestic dominance does come in handy. You have to be in it to win it and PSG's annual participation in the Champions League is guaranteed where Chelsea's is not. If Hakimi's ultimate goal is to earn a transfer back to Real then his choice of Paris over London is a logical one.

From Chelsea's point of view the best response is to set about changing the mind of the next young young player we might be in competition with PSG over. The best way the start doing that would be to become the first English club in more than a generation to retain Europe's top trophy. In fact I'd argue winning the Champions League this year would make us the first English club to retain Europe's top trophy. Although my opinion on this is seen as controversial by many I am absolutely irrevocably convinced that the old European Cup was a Mickey Mouse trophy compared to the Champions League.

Do it Blues.

Edited July 11, 2021 by OhForAGreavsie

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1 hour ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

Although my opinion on this is seen as controversial by many I am absolutely irrevocably convinced that the old European Cup was a Mickey Mouse trophy compared to the Champions League.

completely true

a profound lack of black and other non white players, plus far fewer teams to beat off to win

most of the worshipped vermin scouser teams from the 1970's and early mid 80's would get the fuck pounded out of them by the CL winners of the past 20 years or so

they simply did not have the athletes due to the racist redlining of black players for the most part

even when they did start to integrate, again going back to that pure shithole that is Liverpool

you had cunts in the late 1980's tossing babanas at black players and fuckall was done about it

hell, that still goes on in Italy and elsewhere'

 

1988 Goodison:

we (Chels) did not have a black player until Paul Canoville, who first played topflight footie with us in 1984-85 (joined in 1981 when we were in the 2nd division)

he was treated like dogshit by our own fucking supporters

I am honest when I say that if I was 15-20 years older or so, I likely NEVER would have supported Chelsea, due to just horrid racism of the old fan base

my father struggled dearly with it for ages back in the day, having a black wife and interracial children

different world back then, so fucking glad I missed the worst (certainly not all, unfortunately) of it 

 

I am sure I will ripped for this post, but I do not give a toss