Chelsea Transfers

[Vesper 30,164]

1 minute ago, Pizy said:

Nah, I’m already resigned to it not happening. Think we’ll get a cheap stopgap like Ings or something and hope for the best.

Ings has immense disasterclass signing potential

[Vesper 30,164]

Dortmund are fools if we offer them €150m for Håland and they turn it down

do you realise what over a quarter of a billion euros (between Sancho, Håland plus the smaller sales they have already done) can do IN THIS market, this once in multiple decades market?

they can buy up players for pennies on the pound

radically transform the team and its depth and youth for a decade plus via the synergistic knock-on effects

they lose Håaland next year anyway, and for a sheload less dosh

and I so doubt the market will be as low priced as now

[avrobsws 29]

8 hours ago, Jas said:

 

If we table a bid of 135 Mil, Dortumund will say Yes as they are aware of the activation of the release clause next year. They won't like to make small fortune by selling Haaland next season. Moreover, there is no deadline set by Dortmund so Haaland is definitely a go deal.

[Pizy 18,897]

25 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Ings has immense disasterclass signing potential

He does, but if we can’t get a top of the line, marquee striker than I’d rather us get a cheap stopgap than spending 50m or something on a mid level guy who might be a bust and we’re stuck with them when Haaland is available next summer.

If we can get someone in the £25-30m range this summer who may not be spectacular but is effective and can score the easy chances we create that’ll have to do. Then that striker can become our backup striker next season.

Or perhaps the plan is to just stick with Tammy and Kai. Which…..wouldn’t be good.

[Jase 43,479]

51 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Dortmund are fools if we offer them €150m for Håland and they turn it down

Bild mentioned 175 million euros (and no, that's not a currency typo).

33 minutes ago, avrobsws said:

If we table a bid of 135 Mil, Dortumund will say Yes as they are aware of the activation of the release clause next year. They won't like to make small fortune by selling Haaland next season. Moreover, there is no deadline set by Dortmund so Haaland is definitely a go deal.

The fee difference may be bigger but you're talking about a club who have a history of holding onto a player for one more season and then either selling them at a cheaper price (e.g. Sancho) or letting them go for free (e.g. Lewandowski). Dortmund might be a selling side but they also still have interest in being competitive. If Dortmund are really concerned about getting less money next year, they would not have said all year that Haaland is not for sale this summer and they are also not under any financial pressure to sell. So, I don't think it's a foregone conclusion to just say they will accept our offer immediately. More importantly, we gotta actually table the bid in if we want to make it happen because right now, nothing seems to be actually happening and it's all just empty talk after empty talk after empty talk. And oh, there are also tons of recycled BS. 

[Artandur 939]

6 minutes ago, Jas said:

Bild mentioned 175 million euros (and no, that's not a currency typo).

The fee difference may be bigger but you're talking about a club who have a history of holding onto a player for one more season and then either selling them at a cheaper price (e.g. Sancho) or letting them go for free (e.g. Lewandowski). Dortmund might be a selling side but they also still have interest in being competitive. They are also not under any financial pressure to sell. So, I don't think it's a foregone conclusion to just say they will accept our offer immediately. More importantly, we gotta actually table the bid in because right now, nothing seems to be actually happening and it's all just empty talk after empty talk after empty talk. And oh, there are also tons of recycled BS. 

I agree with your general sentiment, but with Sancho and Lewandowski they came out straight away saying that they are not going to leave, which they are explicitly not doing with Haaland. Also they are definitely under pressure to sell, because it is very hard to burn 100m of fee in a year, when you have shareholders to answer to.

[Jase 43,479]

4 minutes ago, Artandur said:

but with Sancho and Lewandowski they came out straight away saying that they are not going to leave, which they are explicitly not doing with Haaland.

Zorc just came out and said it today. I did not keep track of their previous comments and am sure they have also said it some time this year. And the media, including the German, have also been reporting Dortmund have no intention to sell this summer. So am mostly just going by that.

4 minutes ago, Artandur said:

Also they are definitely under pressure to sell, because it is very hard to burn 100m of fee in a year, when you have shareholders to answer to.

Under pressure to sell as in? If we actually put in the 175 million euros bid? Or just in general? 

[Vesper 30,164]

12 minutes ago, Jas said:

Bild mentioned 175 million euros (and no, that's not a currency typo).

The fee difference may be bigger but you're talking about a club who have a history of holding onto a player for one more season and then either selling them at a cheaper price (e.g. Sancho) or letting them go for free (e.g. Lewandowski). Dortmund might be a selling side but they also still have interest in being competitive. If Dortmund are really concerned about getting less money next year, they would not have said all year that Haaland is not for sale this summer and they are also not under any financial pressure to sell. So, I don't think it's a foregone conclusion to just say they will accept our offer immediately. More importantly, we gotta actually table the bid in if we want to make it happen because right now, nothing seems to be actually happening and it's all just empty talk after empty talk after empty talk. And oh, there are also tons of recycled BS. 

It's been €150m (not pounds) for ages, now all of sudden it is going up? Not buying it. I have been all over this, and I am by far the FOREX conversation stickler on here since I joined, so it is not me making a conversion. His release clause has been quoted as between 65 and 75m euros. If is the lower, then €175m is only 20m away from being TRIPLE that. 150m euros is double the higher quote of €75m, which if fair.

IF the price they demand IS truly €175m, (and you know add-ons are not included in that) and IF that cunt Raiola insists on a 3 years or so and out escape hatch, then FUCK THE DEAL.

FUCK HÅLAND, as IF those are the conditions and price, he is NOT worth it. I draw lines in sand.

[Pizy 18,897]

Are Dortmund a club who have accepted payment installments in the past? Or are they a hardline, “give us all our money up front” club?

Wonder if they’d accept something like €100m this summer and another €50m next.

[Jase 43,479]

2 minutes ago, Vesper said:

It's been €150m (not pounds) for ages, now all of sudden it is going up? Not buying it. I have been all over this, and I am by far the FOREX conversation stickler on here since I joined, so it is not me making a conversion. His release clause has been quoted as between 65 and 75m euros. If is the lower, then €175m is only 20m away from being TRIPLE that. 150m euros is double the higher quote of €75m, which if fair.

IF the price they demand IS truly €175m, (and you know add-ons are not included in that) and IF that cunt Raiola insists on a 3 years or so and out escape hatch, then FUCK THE DEAL.

FUCK HÅLAND, as IF those are the conditions and price, he is NOT worth it. I draw lines in sand.

TBF, don't think any potential price tag has been set. Everyone has been just throwing random numbers out there. 

[Jase 43,479]

5 minutes ago, Pizy said:

Are Dortmund a club who have accepted payment installments in the past? Or are they a hardline, “give us all our money up front” club?

Wonder if they’d accept something like €100m this summer and another €50m next.

I think it depends on the seller but paying transfers in installments is quite common for big money moves, I believe. United, for example, will be paying the Sancho transfer fee in installments.

Different case though if they have a release clause. That I believe the buyer will have to pay the money upfront immediately. 

[Vesper 30,164]

2 minutes ago, Jas said:

TBF, don't think any potential price tag has been set. Everyone has been just throwing random numbers out there. 

€150m makes sense, it's double the highest quote of his release clause next summer

if they try and go for €175m + add-ons/bribes to the cunt Mino and his father + a 3 years or so escape hatch

then fuck the deal

buy Vlahovic (DCL I fear will be close to 90-100m quid or so) and see what happens

and ffs (not yelling at you, lol) sort out all the rest of our weak points if possible

it's a buyers market like I have NEVER seen in my life

 

[Atomiswave 6,117]

Looks like we dodged a big fucking bullet not getting Hakimi, his agent said today the fact Chels are CL winners threw Hakimi off.

[Hashishi 148]

2 minutes ago, Atomiswave said:

Looks like we dodged a big fucking bullet not getting Hakimi, his agent said today the fact Chels are CL winners threw Hakimi off.

Apparently wants to go back to Madrid somewhere down the line too

[Vesper 30,164]

1 minute ago, Atomiswave said:

Looks like we dodged a big fucking bullet not getting Hakimi, his agent said today the fact Chels are CL winners threw Hakimi off.

Explain this please. You are saying the fact we have won a HUGE trophy (biggest club trophy on the planet) without him makes him not want to come?

[Jase 43,479]

5 minutes ago, Vesper said:

€150m makes sense, it's double the highest quote of his release clause next summer

if they try and go for €175m + add-ons/bribes to the cunt Mino and his father + a 3 years or so escape hatch

then fuck the deal

buy Vlahovic (DCL I fear will be close to 90-100m quid or so) and see what happens

and ffs (not yelling at you, lol) sort out all the rest of our weak points if possible

it's a buyers market like I have NEVER seen in my life

Well, can't blame the seller if they want to milk more money out of us.

Either way, the potential transfer is gonna cost a lot of money. I feel like it's either we buy Haaland and no one else or don't buy Haaland and buy others. And by "no one else" and "others", I mean getting players in other positions.

[Hashishi 148]

1 minute ago, Vesper said:

Explain this please. You are saying the fact we have won a HUGE trophy (biggest club trophy on the planet) without him makes him not want to come?

There is no pressure on him to win CL at PSG. He can have his payday with no expectations and look good for RM to come for him in a few years. 

[Jase 43,479]

2 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Explain this please. You are saying the fact we have won a HUGE trophy (biggest club trophy on the planet) without him makes him not want to come?

His agent quotes:

https://www.marca.com/en/football/ligue-1/2021/07/10/60e96a4be2704eb09e8b463b.html

"Real Madrid had the right of first refusal until PSG and Inter said that the deal was going to happen," explained Camano.

"We maintain the illusion and the dream that Achraf will return to Real Madrid because he was born in Madrid, he grew up in Madrid and, as a final goal, one day, he would like to play for Real Madrid"

Camano admitted that there was also interest from the reigning European champions.

"Chelsea also bid for Achraf. The fact that they are champions of Europe perhaps threw him back."

[Atomiswave 6,117]

25 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Explain this please. You are saying the fact we have won a HUGE trophy (biggest club trophy on the planet) without him makes him not want to come?

Yes, the pressure is too much for him, no one gets a free pass at Chel or EPL for that  matter.

[Vesper 30,164]

3 minutes ago, Atomiswave said:

Yes, the pressure is too much for him, no one gets a free pass at Chel or EPL for that  matter.

does he not think the pressure on him will be insane at PSG???? he is a fool if he thinks it will not be