Chelsea Transfers

[King Kante 1,474]

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4 minutes ago, Liuxas said:

If we sign all three of them next week. Silva, Havertz and Chilwell. I hope next target will be Janx Oblak

Oblak is virtually impossible. As Vesper has pointed out if he signed a four/five year deal and we couldn't shift Kepa, then we are looking at close to half a Bill on GK's alone. That is madness. 

[Puliiszola 519]

3 minutes ago, Liuxas said:

If we sign all three of them next week. Silva, Havertz and Chilwell. I hope next target will be Janx Oblak

Don't think he is possible. The fee (120m€) + wages (350kpw) make it impossible for us to buy him. Specially when we already have an expensive GK on our books.

[Superblue 6,370]

I think signing Silva would be a sensible move.

Firstly we seem to be focusing purely on first choice targets and no longer settling for something else. So if an area such as centre back therefore needs to be addressed in the next summer then fine. I'd rather we be bringing in first choice targets that also the manager is in total agreement over, then spreading budgets out thinner to try and get more players that may not make as big an improvement on what we already have. As a result, if Silva is an option on a free transfer with realistic wage demands then it all seems to make sense.

We don't know how he will fare in the Premier League and I highly doubt he'd be capable of playing game in game out anyway, particularly in a condensed season like next one.

But the experience and mentality he could bring to the team could prove to be invaluable.

It shouldn't be forgotten that we've lost Pedro and Willian this summer, and there are now very few players left in our squad who have regular experience of winning titles and trophies. You still need the balance within the squad and we have to be careful that we don't end up 'too young' in the makeup of our squad.

There are two big examples in our last two title winning seasons of big players and personalities having an influence behind the scenes. Drogba in 2015 and Terry in 2017. Neither played big roles in the team but would have been huge in the dressing room and in training to ensure standards were always maintained and calm, experienced heads were around in difficult moments. 

A number of our squad in their early 20's will have grown up through their teens seeing Thiago Silva as one of, if not the very best centre back, at the time. I think having a player of that ilk around the younger players, and who although in the twilight of his career has still shown he's more than capable of playing at the highest level, would be a phenomenal boost. 

You don't always need a leader like John Terry, leading by example wearing his heart on his sleeve. Silva is much more in the mould of Desailly where his timing, anticipation and positional awareness has always been impeccable and he'll be looking to constantly educate the other defensive players around him, both in game and in training.

Perhaps the biggest question if Silva were to join is which centre back would leave. The likelihood would be Tomori out on loan but I feel he would be the best to benefit from Silva's presence in the squad.

[BXL70 396]

OK, but he will be 36 in September... 

[YorkshireBlue 3,122]

1 minute ago, BXL70 said:

OK, but he will be 36 in September... 

Whats your point? He will still be better than all our CBs combined and he's free.....

[Puliiszola 519]

15 minutes ago, BXL70 said:

OK, but he will be 36 in September... 

So?

[BXL70 396]

9 minutes ago, Puliiszola said:

So?

It is not without reason that he is being offloaded by PSG.

At 36, and for any players, performance is declining rapidly and exponentially. 

I am not against that move; I would just prefer that same profile for a player aged 27-30 or so.

[YorkshireBlue 3,122]

2 minutes ago, BXL70 said:

It is not without reason that he is being offloaded by PSG.

At 36, and for any players, performance is declining rapidly and exponentially. 

I am not against that move; I would just prefer that same profile for a player aged 27-30 or so.

For free? 

[BXL70 396]

7 minutes ago, BluesMadLad said:

For free? 

He would not be for free. Wages have to be paid. The guy will not play for free.

But again, I am not against that signing. I would just prefer someone else.

[Jase 43,479]

19 minutes ago, BXL70 said:

He would not be for free. Wages have to be paid. The guy will not play for free.

But again, I am not against that signing. I would just prefer someone else.

In an ideal world, we would be signing someone else but we are not living in an ideal world at the moment. 

[Puliiszola 519]

1 hour ago, BXL70 said:

It is not without reason that he is being offloaded by PSG.

At 36, and for any players, performance is declining rapidly and exponentially. 

I am not against that move; I would just prefer that same profile for a player aged 27-30 or so.

PSG is offloading him for the same reason we offloaded JT just a season after one in which he played 38 PL games, was one of the best CBs in the league and won us the PL too, which is moving on

One person's trash is another's gold. 

We need a leader. Some one to control the backline. And organize shit. 

Clearly our first choice was Jimenez or rice. But we cant afford them with the lay over we already have this season. So if it's next season, silva is a perfect stop gap signing. Hardly costs us anything in wages or fees. And gives us exactly what we need in defence

[Atomiswave 6,072]

55 minutes ago, BluesMadLad said:

For free? 

Nothing is for free, he has his wages, he has signing bonus and agent fees.

[YorkshireBlue 3,122]

7 minutes ago, Atomiswave said:

Nothing is for free, he has his wages, he has signing bonus and agent fees.

Yes and so does every one else..... but we don't have to pay a transfer fee....

[Jype 6,398]

2 minutes ago, Atomiswave said:

Nothing is for free, he has his wages, he has signing bonus and agent fees.

Well, duh. But still we're talking about a relatively small amount of money by Chelsea standards.

Thiago Silva almost accepted Fiorentina's contract offer at £70K/wk so it stands to reason that's likely to be close to what he's after. At Chelsea he should be getting around £100K/wk, seeing as there are higher taxes in England than in Italy.

Signing bonuses and agent fees shouldn't be that big in a transfer like this (reasonable wages, short-term contract, no lengthy negotiations between clubs etc.) so at the very most we're looking at around £10M for a year of Thiago Silva. And that is if we assume the signing bonuses and agent fees amount to roughly the same as the actual contract, which is highly unlikely.

That is a very low amount of money for a player who could still easily be a starter at the club. Just for context, the on the books cost (amortisation+wages) for players like Drinkwater, Zappacosta, Bakayoko, Batshuayi etc. is around £10-15M each.

Like I said earlier, there is very little risk in signing Thiago Silva as a free agent. If he's shit, he can be released after the season and club can go after Rice, Upamecano or someone else completely. If he succeeds, he can be renewed for another year. 

[Atomiswave 6,072]

4 minutes ago, BluesMadLad said:

Yes and so does every one else..... but we don't have to pay a transfer fee....

Yes hence nothing is for free. We better not pay a transfer fee for a 36 year old defender way outside his prime in a new league that happens to show you no mercy.

[Atomiswave 6,072]

1 minute ago, Jype said:

That is a very low amount of money for a player who could still easily be a starter at the club. Just for context, the on the books cost (amortisation+wages) for players like Drinkwater, Zappacosta, Bakayoko, Batshuayi etc. is around £10-15M each.

Like I said earlier, there is very little risk in signing Thiago Silva as a free agent. If he's shit, he can be released after the season and club can go after Rice, Upamecano or someone else completely. If he succeeds, he can be renewed for another year. 

Yeah thats horrible but just because we did wrong with those players doesnt mean we must do it again. Yes the risk is low but what are the chances he will come good here? I will gladly admit I was wrong if he does well I just cant see him cope here, not at 36. 10M is still 10M. Whatever the case I will welcome him once its official and hope he does well enough.

[Jype 6,398]

19 minutes ago, Atomiswave said:

Yeah thats horrible but just because we did wrong with those players doesnt mean we must do it again. Yes the risk is low but what are the chances he will come good here? I will gladly admit I was wrong if he does well I just cant see him cope here, not at 36. 10M is still 10M. Whatever the case I will welcome him once its official and hope he does well enough.

£10M was a hypothetical amount, in reality it would probably be a little bit lower.

And you're forgetting that if a new CB is signed the club would have to get rid of one current player, either permanently or out on loan. Everything still remains balanced because to compensate for the costs of Thiago Silva arrival the club would then save a lot of money on the costs of the departing player so really the financial risk is close to zero. It's not at all comparable to signing a mediocre player for a big fee and on big money who's then impossible to sell, because if Silva were to fail he will simply be released in a year.

I don't know whether Silva would be a success or not, I rate his chances at an even 50/50. He could still play one monster of a season or fall off the wagon completely. But the most important thing is that we already know things aren't working out with the current set of CBs so I'll happily take the 50/50 chance of improvement than a 100% chance of having the same shit again for another season. Getting a player like Rice or Upamecano is not realistic this year so the options are getting Silva on a free, getting a Zappacosta-style second rate signing for CB or sticking with what we have now. I know which option I'd take. 

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8 minutes ago, Jype said:

£10M was a hypothetical amount, in reality it would probably be a little bit lower.

And you're forgetting that if a new CB is signed the club would have to get rid of one current player, either permanently or out on loan. Everything still remains balanced because to compensate for the costs of Thiago Silva arrival the club would then save a lot of money on the costs of the departing player so really the financial risk is close to zero. It's not at all comparable to signing a mediocre player for a big fee and on big money who's then impossible to sell, because if Silva were to fail he will simply be released in a year.

I don't know whether Silva would be a success or not, I rate his chances at an even 50/50. He could still play one monster of a season or fall off the wagon completely. But the most important thing is that we already know things aren't working out with the current set of CBs so I'll happily take the 50/50 chance of improvement than a 100% chance of having the same shit again for another season. Getting a player like Rice or Upamecano is not realistic this year so the options are getting Silva on a free, getting a Zappacosta-style second rate signing for CB or sticking with what we have now. I know which option I'd take. 

Ohh definitely not, we cant keep making these mistakes on second rate players for huge amounts. And im certain our cb's can do better, our whole defensive shape is not coached well enough at this level. 

We will hope for the best whether he comes or not. He could maybe do a decent job here and there, but he has to be on it, this league forgives no one.