Chelsea Transfers

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13 hours ago, whats happening said:

sign thiago silva.

Omg

This is madness

The bloke is 36yo in a couple months, lolol

SMDH

[Pizy 18,367]

I think Declan Rice can develop into a very good DM. He's already really solid there. Buying him and converting him into a full time CB? Ehhh. 

I wonder what WH would even set the price at. 

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Jorginho is willing to leave Chelsea this summer after being frozen out following lockdown, according to reports from Area Napoli. #CFC

 

Kurt Zouma has reportedly been offered to Paris Saint-Germain ‘over the past few days’. Thomas Tuchel ‘appreciates’ the Chelsea's center back but ‘no official discussions yet'. (Telefoot) #CFC

 

 

 

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I am still raging over last night. Mostly because there is a damn good possibility that it may cost us CL which in turn may fuck us with certain targets AND hurts our fiscal bottom line in terms of revenue AND tosses us into the meat grinder Europa League which will hurt us in the race for the top 4 next year.

It is all so maddeningly predictable too. The exact same positions I have been going bonkers over for ages.

[killer1257 3,282]

I am still raging over last night. Mostly because there is a damn good possibility that it may cost us CL which in turn may fuck us with certain targets AND hurts our fiscal bottom line in terms of revenue AND tosses us into the meat grinder Europa League which will hurt us in the race for the top 4 next year.

It is all so maddeningly predictable too. The exact same positions I have been going bonkers over for ages.

I could not sleep that much because I was so angry.

 

Lampard needs to stop playing these bad players. Yes, we have many garbage players, but why does Lampard use the worst of the worst? I mean Barkley? He scored a goal against Leicester, but was really bad against apart from the goal. He fucked up many counter attacks. No matter how bad Rüdiger plays, he always is on the team sheet. Zouma makes one mistake and he is out of the team. That is so unfair. Zouma at least can defend well. He may not be a technical player, but he can defend way better than Rüdiger.

I also do not get his subs. Why is Kova always subbed off or he does not play? Fucking Barkley plays more than him.

 

Lampard also needs to find his style of play. He initially had one and that was playing offensive football and now he changed everything into "let's play Mourinho or Conte football". It does not suit Lampard. Pep can't play the Mourinho way or the Conte way. Mourinho can't play play like Peps teams. Lampard needs to stick to his style of play and that is Jorgi/Billy as a no. 6

 

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Declan Rice one of main names being discussed by Chelsea to help defence

https://theathletic.com/1903958/2020/07/02/chelsea-west-ham-declan-rice/

On a night where Chelsea’s ambitions of qualifying for the Champions League were hindered by poor defending, a possible long-term solution was very busy impressing for the opposition.

There has been a lot of talk for several months about Chelsea’s interest in West Ham’s Declan Rice and it will surely only intensify in the weeks before the transfer window reopens.

It has been a regular source of discussion among The Athletic readers too. One of the questions most asked of late is whether there is any truth in all the stories linking him with a move to Stamford Bridge.

You can understand the confusion. Many supporters rely on press conferences to get an indication of what their coach is thinking regarding future signings.

Ahead of the West Ham match, Frank Lampard was asked for his thoughts on two potential arrivals. First up was Angel Gomes and it was noticeable just how emphatic he was in dismissing it. “I can elaborate to the point where it’s never been mentioned my end, so that’s it,” he said.

Then Rice’s name was put to him and there was another denial, although not quite as emphatic. “Declan Rice is a good player, I’ve known him for a long time, he was in Chelsea’s academy, but there’s no talk. I will keep saying that about every player until these games and this season are finished. There’s nothing to say.”

Managers always give little away at press conferences when grilled about players they may be keen on. There is a code that most abide by so as not to unsettle another team’s asset by talking about them publicly.

One should also bear in mind that by speaking glowingly about a transfer target, you run the risk of upsetting the personnel you’re still working with and relying on to win key fixtures for you.

Meanwhile, a patient David Moyes, who has been probed about Rice’s future all season in his role as West Ham manager, insisted he wants to build the team around the 21-year-old and regards the England international as a possible captain one day. So that’s the end of the story then, right? Wrong.

The Athletic wrote a piece recently about centre-halves Chelsea could consider buying to improve things at the back next season. Some respected figures across Europe were mentioned including Napoli’s Kalidou Koulibaly and Bayern Munich’s Jerome Boateng, but it is understood one of the main names actually being discussed is Rice.

Some readers may be confused due to the fact he has mostly been employed as a defensive midfielder since breaking into West Ham’s first team in 2017. It is also where he shone during the 3-2 victory at the London Stadium on Wednesday evening. However, he has spent the majority of his years in central defence, including at Chelsea’s academy before being released at 14.

There is a lot of suspicion and disbelief whenever Rice’s name is linked with a big-money move to Stamford Bridge. But club sources remain adamant, despite what Lampard said publicly, that he is being considered.

As one insider explained to The Athletic: “They want Declan as a centre-half. Why? He is commanding, has an aura about him and importantly talks/communicates really well.

“He can play at the back really well because he has played there all his life. He’s a good passer of the ball too. It’s only in the last few years he has played in midfield.

“He is young and English too so you can see how he would fit in with what Chelsea are building there. A young squad that can play together for years to come.”

Rice exuded all those qualities against his past and potentially future employers as captain, albeit patrolling in front of the back four. He was top of his team’s statistics for tackles won (five) and possession gained (11), plus had the highest pass completion rate of 90.3 per cent having completed 28 out of 31 attempted (second only to Pablo Fornals on 32).

As with all games, it’s when he delivered these attributes which mattered most, like when he intercepted a Willian cross in the sixth minute and charged into Chelsea’s half or made an important challenge on Christian Pulisic 13 minutes after the restart.

It was his drilled ball into Michail Antonio’s feet that helped create the home side’s second goal and he was constantly encouraging those around him. How Chelsea could have done, and can do, with someone like that.

As everyone knows, it is all very well being keen on a player, but how likely will a deal happen? Should West Ham retain their Premier League status, which moved a significant step closer with this victory over their London rivals, then their resolve to keep him will remain steadfast. A huge valuation will remain on Rice’s head, after all, he still has another four years left on his contract.

If West Ham go down, their need for an injection of funds will surely increase, especially with the impact COVID-19 has already had on their finances. Players agreed to take wage deferrals in April and managing director Karren Brady, finance director Andy Mollett and Moyes took a 30 per cent pay cut.

They may have no option but to sell a player or two. Remember this club reported a pre-tax loss of £28.2 million last year and then took out a loan of £39 million, which has to be paid back this month.

One should still bear in mind Chelsea’s situation. They have spent over £80 million of their budget on Hakim Ziyech and Timo Werner, while Leicester’s Ben Chilwell is their No 1 choice to strengthen the left-back slot and Bayer Leverkusen’s Kai Havertz is also in the frame to add to their attacking options.

For Chelsea to acquire the pair, it will cost a minimum of £130 million, so there has to be doubts about their ability to sign Rice as well.

Naturally, the club will be looking to raise funds by selling fringe players too. To make room for Rice, one of the four centre-backs would have to go and of the quartet, Kurt Zouma is the one most likely to be moved on.

But there is another factor why Chelsea may get cold feet on the idea of bidding for Rice. As the insider adds: “West Ham will demand a lot of money for him and this is a player the club had on their books and allowed to leave for free. Paying a vast sum could embarrass a few people.”

Chelsea have been prepared to ignore such concerns before. For example, with Nemanja Matic. After being used as a makeweight in the £25 million signing of David Luiz (Matic was valued at around £4 million, with the rest paid in cash) in 2011, Chelsea paid Benfica £21 million to buy him back three years later.

No one really knows what Rice thinks of all this. All the talk coming out of West Ham is that he is fully committed and concentrating on helping them win their relegation battle. He certainly showed that against Chelsea.

But he would only be human if he was tempted at the prospect of going back to his boyhood club, one which is challenging for major trophies on an annual basis and playing in Europe.

Many West Ham fans were angered when Rice’s team-mate Aaron Cresswell spoke to talkSPORT earlier in the week and said: “If he were to ever leave he would become another level with better players around him.” 

A clearly frustrated Lampard won’t admit it publicly, but the manner of the West Ham loss will surely only stiffen his resolve that improvements have to be made in the backline.

It is damning that, from the 110 corners Chelsea have faced in the Premier League this season, nine goals have been scored (just over 8 per cent). When asked by The Athletic how this problem can be solved and if that meant bringing someone else in during the window, Lampard replied: “When the team is bigger than you, which they (West Ham) were, you can work on things as much as you want. But if someone is much taller than them, outjumps them, and the ball bounces on the line and you can’t clear the lines, then they’re going to score goals. That’s what happens in games.

“We were aware they were bigger than us and was a way they were going to try and score goals to win the game, but the players have to deal with that on the pitch.”

Clearly he felt there was no one in blue that could do that. Perhaps Rice will be the one that can in 2020-21.

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Zouma out Rice in

[MoroccanBlue 5,293]

Both Terry and Carragher started in midfield then were slotted into CB. 

However, I don't expect a 21 year old to magically organise the defence. It's clear as day we need a defensive coach. 

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30 minutes ago, Special Juan said:

Zouma out Rice in

I would rather Christensen...

[killer1257 3,282]

Both Terry and Carragher started in midfield then were slotted into CB. 
However, I don't expect a 21 year old to magically organise the defence. It's clear as day we need a defensive coach. 

A defensive coach will never improve Rüdiger. He is just not good enough. There is a reason why most people in Germany do not rate him because he makes many mistakes for German national team

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1 minute ago, killer1257 said:

A defensive coach will never improve Rüdiger. He is just not good enough. There is a reason why most people in Germany do not rate him because he makes many mistakes for German national team

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A back line of

James--Tomori---Rice---Chilwell

All English, 3 of them youth products. I think this could build a great understanding. Still, some of our defensive errors this season is based on coaching.

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Dean Henderson and Declan Rice 

I want them .

But , Onana and  Upamecano  are good enough .

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5 minutes ago, ZAPHOD2319 said:

 

If we get a decent price and invest the money in a new CB, I don't think we should pass on this deal. 

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15 minutes ago, 0007 said:

If we get a decent price and invest the money in a new CB, I don't think we should pass on this deal. 

swap him straight up for Digne

LB solved without having to go to war for Theo Hernandez and/or shitting away £80m on Chilwell

Lucas is a proven EPL warrior

package Jorginho + Emerson for de Ligt

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In my opinion, he still is our best CB. I would rather sell Rüdiger or AC

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swap him straight up for Digne
LB solved without having to go to war for Theo Hernandez and/or shitting away £80m on Chilwell
Lucas is a proven EPL warrior
package Jorginho + Emerson for de Ligt

Is Digne good enough? Or only a cheaper version of Chilwell? How much does he cost?

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Just now, killer1257 said:

Is Digne good enough? Or only a cheaper version of Chilwell? How much does he cost?

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I rate him a lot, he is technical, decent size, solid defensively, he has a motor, although I doubt Everton will do a straight swap but it is worth a try