Chelsea Transfers

[Vesper 30,195]

On 23/06/2020 at 4:15 AM, Vesper said:

Chelsea give up on Birmingham City youngster Jude Bellingham?

https://www.sportsmole.co.uk/football/man-utd/transfer-talk/news/chelsea-give-up-on-jude-bellingham_403467.html

Chelsea have reportedly withdrawn their interest in signing Birmingham City youngster Jude Bellingham.

Having already established himself as a key player at St Andrew's at the age of 16, the midfielder is naturally being linked with a move to a bigger club.

The Blues have been monitoring the development of the prospect ahead of potentially launching an approach during the next transfer window.

However, the Manchester Evening News claims that only Manchester United and Borussia Dortmund are now present in the race for the player.

Earlier on Monday, it was suggested that Dortmund had emerged as the favourites to sign Bellingham, who may cost in the region of £30m.

The academy graduate has just one year left on his existing terms at the Championship side.

happy 17th birthday to the young lad

looks 98% likely he is Dortmund bound

[Pizy 18,926]

I would gladly take all those Ajax players here. 😂

Van de Beek will be a very shrewd signing for not much money for whoever gets him. Classy on the ball and goals from midfield. Could be a Ziyech-like bargain.

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50 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

We can't have them all haha

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he and Jude Bellingham (who is going to Dortmund) are the only two teenage CMF's who interest me

 

[milka 3,393]

Chelsea are reportedly in advanced talk with RB Leipzig over a summer move for Dayot Upamecano according to TodoFichajes. #CFC

 

 

 

[Special Juan 28,141]

Kurzawa has signed a 4 year extension at PSG, could help towards pushing for Telles hopefully.

[Vesper 30,195]

7 minutes ago, milka said:

Chelsea are reportedly in advanced talk with RB Leipzig over a summer move for Dayot Upamecano according to TodoFichajes. #CFC

 

 

 

that site is 10000% pure rubbish

worse than Don Balon

doubt me?

look at this

 

Exclusive: Liverpool sign Victor Osimhen for € 50M

https://www.todofichajes.com/exclusiva-el-liverpool-ficha-a-victor-osimhen-por-50me/

 

and the Sun should be sued for publishing their lies

[Vesper 30,195]

pass on Dayot Upamecano btw

the very fact Arsenal want him like a newborn wants the tit should warn us off

 

[Vincent 403]

52 minutes ago, Vesper said:

he and Jude Bellingham (who is going to Dortmund) are the only two teenage CMF's who interest me

 

Every young Ajax player is possibly a next Dutch superstar, and there were many that couldn't live up the expectations. A player like Bazoer was supposedly the next Yaya Touré, and in all honestly i could see it happen, he was that good. He left Ajax in 2016 and after playing for Wolfsburg, he's now back in the Eredivisie. This is just an example which i have many of, but this player was much further than Gravenberch is right now. Riedewald, Anita, Kishna, Ebecilio, Klaassen just a few Dutch Ajax talents from the top of my head that never made it. PSV's Ihattarran and Ajax' Ünüvar are two talents that i personally rate much higher than Gravenberch. 

1 hour ago, Pizy said:

I would gladly take all those Ajax players here. 😂

Van de Beek will be a very shrewd signing for not much money for whoever gets him. Classy on the ball and goals from midfield. Could be a Ziyech-like bargain.

Let's see Ziyech play for a full season at Chelsea first before we call him a bargain. 

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6 minutes ago, Vincent said:

Let's see Ziyech play for a full season at Chelsea first before we call him a bargain. 

If he does just half as good here as he did in Ajax then he is a bargain, he will do good by us.

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16 minutes ago, Vincent said:

Every young Ajax player is possibly a next Dutch superstar, and there were many that couldn't live up the expectations. A player like Bazoer was supposedly the next Yaya Touré, and in all honestly i could see it happen, he was that good. He left Ajax in 2016 and after playing for Wolfsburg, he's now back in the Eredivisie. This is just an example which i have many of, but this player was much further than Gravenberch is right now. Riedewald, Anita, Kishna, Ebecilio, Klaassen just a few Dutch Ajax talents from the top of my head that never made it. PSV's Ihattarran and Ajax' Ünüvar are two talents that i personally rate much higher than Gravenberch. 

Let's see Ziyech play for a full season at Chelsea first before we call him a bargain. 

sorry, disagree on Ünüvar being far better than Gravenberch,

Riechedly Bazoer always had disciplinary issues, Gravenberch has not had a whiff of that

I do rate Mohamed Ihattaren a lot btw, but he is an AMF (as is  Ünüvar) and I (as I wrote) was only talking about CMF's

I back up my rating of Gravenberch with a lot of data too, it is not just based off slapped together YT vids

finally, I do not rate Gravenberch so highly because he is an Ajax product, I rate him highly  DESPITE of it

most of those names you listed were indeed over hyped simply due to the Ajax name

de Jong was the only one I truly rated off that team 2 years ago, and one notch below was de Ligt and Ziyech, who I so hope is not a bust

[whats happening 1,618]

whats happening with dias and benfica? is he good enough for chelsea?

[Vincent 403]

36 minutes ago, Vesper said:

sorry, disagree on Ünüvar being far better than Gravenberch,

Riechedly Bazoer always had disciplinary issues, Gravenberch has not had a whiff of that

I do rate Mohamed Ihattaren a lot btw, but he is an AMF (as is  Ünüvar) and I (as I wrote) was only talking about CMF's

I back up my rating of Gravenberch with a lot of data too, it is not just based off slapped together YT vids

finally, I do not rate Gravenberch so highly because he is an Ajax product, I rate him highly  DESPITE of it

I guess only time will tell who's right, i just don't see it happen for Gravenberch. So what is the 'data' you're talking about? Yes, we speak about different positions but i am justing pointing out who i think can make it at a top level and who doesn't. Gravenberch isn't one of them in my opinion i see a brighter future for Boadu, Ihattarran, Stengs, Koopmeiners, Dest, Kokcu and Unuvar. But than again, i could have made a similar list years ago and the majority wouldn't make it and am therefore not as confident in Ziyech as most here do. Let's see what happens within the next few years, and don't take me wrong, i hope Gravenberch will do great things for my country. ;-)

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4 minutes ago, Vincent said:

I guess only time will tell who's right, i just don't see it happen for Gravenberch. So what is the 'data' you're talking about? Yes, we speak about different positions but i am justing pointing out who i think can make it at a top level and who doesn't. Gravenberch isn't one of them in my opinion i see a brighter future for Boadu, Ihattarran, Stengs, Koopmeiners, Dest, Kokcu and Unuvar. But than again, i could have made a similar list years ago and the majority wouldn't make it and am therefore not as confident in Ziyech as most here do. Let's see what happens within the next few years, and don't take me wrong, i hope Gravenberch will do great things for my country. ;-)

I posted the link above, I made a topic for Gravenberch a year and a half ago

you replied to the post with the link in it

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3 minutes ago, Vesper said:

I posted the link above, I made a topic for Gravenberch a year and a half ago

you replied to the post with the link in it

Yes, i've read that topic. He only been in the starting eleven for a handful of times. Most of that data is based of performances in the second league, the Keuken Kampioen Division. This league is a mixture of a professionals and amateurs, the average wage of these players is €2000 per month. This division can make a decent player look like the next big star.

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4 minutes ago, Vincent said:

Yes, i've read that topic. He only been in the starting eleven for a handful of times. Most of that data is based of performances in the second league, the Keuken Kampioen Division. This league is a mixture of a professionals and amateurs, the average wage of these players is €2000 per month. This division can make a decent player look like the next big star.

like you said, time will tell who is right

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21 hours ago, Vesper said:

happy 17th birthday to the young lad

looks 98% likely he is Dortmund bound

I'm still not giving up hope until it's official.

[Special Juan 28,141]

Three have said this... On July 1st we have something huge planned with the Blues. Just Three days to go

 

I have a feeling the presentations of a certain two players might happen alongside this

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[Blues Forever 1,232]

Ask Antonio Conte why it was that Chelsea were unable to build on the Premier League title success of 2017 and it is fair to assume the Italian will not point to himself.

In fact, Conte would not only blame that summer for Chelsea losing their advantage but would also point to the January 2018 transfer window as having a transformative effect on Liverpool.

Conte had earmarked Virgil van Dijk as one of his primary targets after winning the League at the end of his first season as Chelsea head coach and was confident the club would land the Dutchman for him.

Liverpool had finished fourth that year, so Conte saw no reason as to why his club should not be able to see off their rival bid.

But Conte and perhaps Chelsea had not bargained on the persuasive powers of charismatic Liverpool manager Jurgen Klopp, who managed to convince Van Dijk in the summer of 2017 that Anfield should be his preferred destination.

It took another six months for Liverpool to land him, but Van Dijk eventually helped his new club to finish one place above Chelsea and qualify for the Champions League ahead of Chelsea at the end of the 2017/18 campaign.

From that moment, Chelsea have been playing catch up and now it rests on head coach Frank Lampard to plot how he can eventually claw back a deficit of more than 20 points to this season’s champions.

That may look a tall order, but it should be remembered that Conte’s Chelsea had finished 17 points ahead of Klopp’s Liverpool just three years ago and there have been encouraging signs that Chelsea have learned valuable lessons from the past.

Just as Klopp and sporting director Michael Edwards have succeeded in putting on a united front and working in close contact to land targets, Chelsea appear ready to benefit from rediscovering the art of joined up-thinking.

Conte famously switched his phone off for a large part of the summer of 2017 in a bid to force the club to deliver his targets, but Lampard’s approach, together with technical and performance advisor Petr Cech, has been far more inclusive and the relationship with director Marina Granovskaia is close.

Former team-mates Lampard and Cech did not especially fancy their chances when they made a secret pre-lockdown trip to Germany to meet Timo Werner, his agent and his family.

Liverpool and Manchester United had already spoken to Werner and his representatives, and the feeling around Chelsea was they were very much third in the queue.

But Cech managed to speak in Werner’s native German tongue to the forward’s agent and family, and Lampard, partly through the ex-goalkeeper, communicated his vision and passion for the club.

The talks paid dividends and, as Werner confirmed himself, Lampard and Cech did enough to convince him that Stamford Bridge was his preferred destination before Granovskaia worked fast to close a deal with RB Leipzig.

“Inter (Milan), Manchester United and Liverpool wanted me? Yes, I could have gone to these teams too,” Werner told Sportbuzzer. “The best clubs fought for me.

“The entire Chelsea package in the end, however, turned out to be the best in my career. Money played a marginal role. For me, money was never a decisive factor, otherwise I could have gone to China.

“Chelsea is a leading club in European football. There is a team of great quality, we want to get to the top. I don’t regret my decision for even a second.”

The signing of Werner also demonstrated that Chelsea have learned lessons from their own past and perhaps from Liverpool’s patience over clinching the Van Dijk deal.

In January, Lampard had been desperate to land a forward but Paris Saint-Germain and Napoli refused to negotiate over Edinson Cavani and Dries Mertens, while Erling Haaland chose Borussia Dortmund.

Previous managers and coaches had reacted to a failure to sign primary targets by pushing the club into taking gambles over more temporary options such as Radamel Falcao, Alexandre Pato and most recently Gonzalo Higuain.

Chelsea were offered the chance to sign former Newcastle United frontman Salomon Rondon in the dying hours of the January window, but they declined to panic and instead opted to wait until their top long-term targets became available.

Granovskaia received criticism from some fans at the end of the January window and yet the same supporters have once again been celebrating her negotiating skills ever since, following the deals for Werner and Hakim Ziyech back in February.

There are likely to be more signings as well, with the club poised to make a bid for Kai Havertz after Bayer Leverkusen failed to qualify for the Champions League and Leicester City left-back Ben Chilwell once the Premier League season finishes.

But Chelsea may have to follow Liverpool’s example once again if they are to overhaul them in the next few years and sign a new goalkeeper.

Record signing Kepa Arrizabalaga is clearly talented, but there remains a feeling that he is not top-class and Cech will know better than anybody that few teams win Premier League titles without one of the best goalkeepers.

While the signing of Van Dijk in many ways transformed Liverpool’s fortunes, it was not until Alisson Becker, who Chelsea had initially targeted, arrived that Klopp’s nearly men became winners.

There will no doubt be some lingering regret inside Stamford Bridge that Chelsea did not manage to replace Thibaut Courtois with Becker, rather than Kepa, two years ago and the club face another big decision over that position.

Chelsea would no doubt get along just fine by sticking with Kepa, but Lampard has made it clear that is not enough and to win trophies he may well have to sign a top-level replacement. Finding the right man would clearly present the biggest challenge but, in Cech, he has the perfect sounding board.

Granovskaia has also demonstrated she is ready to do everything in her power to back Lampard, which means Liverpool will be wary of a blue threat from outside Manchester in the coming years.

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