Chelsea Transfers

[RoyalBlues 4,050]

I would suggest we should forget about signing Lautaro Martinez. We should walk over Conte body to sign him. 

Think Timo Werner would be possible though, as I think we could offer him an opportunity others club couldn't offers.

[Pizy 18,909]

9 minutes ago, ulsterchelsea said:

Dembele is massively underwhelming

I agree. He'd probably be a solid squad player, but that's not really what we need.

If Dembele signed for Everton or West Ham everyone would probably say he's a solid buy. But for a club with aspirations like ours? Ehhh.

[OhForAGreavsie 6,075]

36 minutes ago, Pizy said:

Not only would Dembele be a weird signing from our perspective (because he's so similar to Tammy) but it would also be weird from his perspective as he wouldn't be first choice. Why would he come here to be a rotation player?

We need a Werner/Griezmann/Auba type striker. Not a like for like target man player.

I've never been a big Dembele fan but I do think he is better than any of our current options. If Frank were to sanction a £40m+ move for him, then I can only imagine that the starting spot would be his to loose on arrival.

As Vesper says however, we should be aiming to shop higher up the market.

[Nicco 927]

1 hour ago, Vesper said:

OL rejects an offer of € 40 million for Moussa Dembélé from Chelsea

http://www.footmercato.net/ligue-1/transferts/info-fm-l-ol-repousse-une-offre-de-40-meur-pour-moussa-dembele_270837

 

Fucking kill me if we get this Dembele.

[Tomo 21,751]

33 minutes ago, Pizy said:

I agree. He'd probably be a solid squad player, but that's not really what we need.

If Dembele signed for Everton or West Ham everyone would probably say he's a solid buy. But for a club with aspirations like ours? Ehhh.

Not saying Dembele or any of our signings will nesseserily hit such heights but just because players aren't big names doesn't mean it's a sign on unambition or they will flop, the champions elect are demonstrating that spectacularly, they have built what is looking like becoming the greatest PL team of all time mainly through signings people regarded as second rate and unambitious.

We don't have the funds or the sheer worldwide appeal to get marquee signings bar unique set of circumstances (like Sancho with his fandom of the club and friendship with our products putting us in a race we wouldn't usually be in) so that means more thinking outside the box more, there be top players in waiting hiding in places we least expect.

[Nicco 927]

3 minutes ago, Tomo said:

Not saying Dembele or any of our signings will nesseserily hit such heights but just because players aren't big names doesn't mean it's a sign on unambition or they will flop, the champions elect are demonstrating that spectacularly, they have built what is looking like becoming the greatest PL team of all time mainly through signings people regarded as second rate and unambitious.

We don't have the funds or the sheer worldwide appeal to get marquee signings bar unique set of circumstances (like Sancho with his fandom of the club and friendship with our products putting us in a race we wouldn't usually be in) so that means more thinking outside the box more, there be top players in waiting hiding in places we least expect.

10 goals in Ligue 1 in 18 matches, one of the worst options ever.

Only explication is Lampard needs someone and doesn't want to spend all the money because he wants Sancho in the summer.

[Vesper 30,178]

26 minutes ago, Nicco said:

Fucking kill me if we get this Dembele.

BBC: Moussa Dembele: French striker not for sale, say Lyon

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/50977553

[Vesper 30,178]

2 hours ago, Nicco said:

10 goals in Ligue 1 in 18 matches, one of the worst options ever.

Only explication is Lampard needs someone and doesn't want to spend all the money because he wants Sancho in the summer.

Werner's release clause is 25m

his salary would be far higher than Dembele's

but not 25m over 5 years total outlay higher than what a 50m+ Dembele buy plus salary would be (or at worst it would be around the same overall cost)

and we are crazy if we put all our marbles into obtaining Sancho and Chilwell both in the summer

odds are not in our favour we land both, and I can easily see losing both (especially IF Pep stays at Shitty, as Chilwell himself said he is waiting to see what Pep is doing as he wants to play under him)

a big clue will be Ake

reports are out that Lamps is balking at triggering Ake's buyback as he thinks AC will come good

we are watching (if it all goes truly pear shaped) the foundations of Lampard's downfall being laid out

the team, as it is currently configured (and with a huge question mark regarding Kante's future) is simply not good enough to keep moving forward

extraordinary amount of question marks and hopeful wishes plus a status quo satisfaction and/or over reliance on a number of problematic players

15 players plus the loanee dregs

Willy (39 next season) Zouma, AC, Azpi, Alonso, Emerson, Kante, RLC (massive injury) Barkley, Mount as THE starter at AMF, CHO (looks a shell atm of his pre-injury form), Pedro, Willian (age and contract expired in 6 months), Bats, Giroud

plus all the dregs (possibly as many as 16, 14 for sure) out on loan and not yet sold, so still on the books

Bakayoko, Moses, Donkeywater, Miazga, Zappacosta, Danilo Pantic , Baba, Kenedy, Lucas Piazón, Mario Pasalic (Atalanta are supposedly exercising his option), Musonda, Lewis Baker, Jamal Blackman, Nathan, Marco van Ginkel (not sure if he is going to be renewed or released) Izyy Brown

its is madness to have around 30 problematic (some more than others and for many disparate reasons I do grant) players under contract

 

[Pizy 18,909]

56 minutes ago, Tomo said:

Not saying Dembele or any of our signings will nesseserily hit such heights but just because players aren't big names doesn't mean it's a sign on unambition or they will flop, the champions elect are demonstrating that spectacularly, they have built what is looking like becoming the greatest PL team of all time mainly through signings people regarded as second rate and unambitious.

We don't have the funds or the sheer worldwide appeal to get marquee signings bar unique set of circumstances (like Sancho with his fandom of the club and friendship with our products putting us in a race we wouldn't usually be in) so that means more thinking outside the box more, there be top players in waiting hiding in places we least expect.

True. As I said, Dembele would surely be a decent player to have in the squad. It's just that we already have strikers that are "decent" in Giroud and Bats. We need signings that will help bridge the gap to City and Liverpool.

[Tomo 21,751]

9 minutes ago, Pizy said:

True. As I said, Dembele would surely be a decent player to have in the squad. It's just that we already have strikers that are "decent" in Giroud and Bats. We need signings that will help bridge the gap to City and Liverpool.

I don't think I'd class Giroud or Bats as decent to be honest.

Oli was but his legs have gone and Michy is diabolical outside of finishing, as much as an alternative on Tammy's level will be a massive boost right now.

Usually my stance is suffer and wait for the "right" option however in this case I don't think we can, a competent alternative to Tammy is minimum requirement in my opinion.

[Atomiswave 6,117]

If the Club has ambition then we will make quality signings. I rather have 2 quality players in the summer than 5 semi average one. We need to close that gap, it may not come in 1 window but We must show the will and ambition that we are well under way.

[ChelseaFanUK 1,014]

30 goals in 71 games for Lyon.  Not too bad.  

 

I mean we'd all prefer Werner sure, but was he ever really an option for January? 

 

There is no release clause for Werner this month and Leipzig are not a club in need of money.  They would simply refuse to sell is my bet until the summer at earliest, and we absolutely need someone to challenge Abraham.  Just ain't going to sign the elite level strikers this month...  And tbh, Dembele is as good as Abraham, if not better dare i say

 

 

[Vesper 30,178]

50 minutes ago, ChelseaFanUK said:

30 goals in 71 games for Lyon.  Not too bad.  

 

I mean we'd all prefer Werner sure, but was he ever really an option for January? 

 

There is no release clause for Werner this month and Leipzig are not a club in need of money.  They would simply refuse to sell is my bet until the summer at earliest, and we absolutely need someone to challenge Abraham.  Just ain't going to sign the elite level strikers this month...  And tbh, Dembele is as good as Abraham, if not better dare i say

 

 

Lyon said he is not for sale in January

the club itself released a statement saying no, stay away

[ChelseaFanUK 1,014]

29 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Lyon said he is not for sale in January

the club itself released a statement saying no, stay away

They did the same for Mendy, Ndombele, Lacazette and Essien.  They'll sell when/if we hit the desired fee

[Vesper 30,178]

5 minutes ago, ChelseaFanUK said:

They did the same for Mendy, Ndombele, Lacazette and Essien.  They'll sell when/if we hit the desired fee

every one of those were summer signings

thanks for helping prove my point

[Nicco 927]

40 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Lyon said he is not for sale in January

the club itself released a statement saying no, stay away

Hopefully the same statement from Crystal Palace soon, either get quality or don't get at all. I'd rather add academy players.

[Jase 43,479]

3 minutes ago, Nicco said:

Hopefully the same statement from Crystal Palace soon, either get quality or don't get at all. I'd rather add academy players.

But when was the last time, if ever, that an English club release such statement?

[Superblue 6,372]

I'd still love to see us pursue some sort of deal for Jovic.

Our relationship with Madrid seems to be excellent with the number of players been traded in recent years, which may be able to sway a deal and the player could really benefit from more football in the second half of the season.

Even if they weren't willing to do a loan with an option to buy, I'd still be inclined to attempt to get a loan deal for him for the second half of the season and then we can review our options properly in the summer (i.e. Werner with his release clause, or at least if someone like Dembele is what we want we don't pay a January premium for him). 

Some may see it almost like a small club mentality to be borrowing another teams player but at the end of the day if we could add someone of his ability to Tammy and he scored a few goals for us that helped us get Champions League football then it would be well worth it even if we've just helped somebody else's player get back on track. Like Kovacic who i believe Real were willing to loan out but didn't want to sell, if Jovic came here and did well he may want to stay anyway and it doesn't matter if it's Real Madrid or whoever, having an unhappy camper in the squad isn't the greatest thing, especially if that player may not warrant being first choice anyway.

[Tomo 21,751]

4 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

Some may see it almost like a small club mentality to be borrowing another teams player but at the end of the day if we could add someone of his ability to Tammy and he scored a few goals for us that helped us get Champions League football then it would be well worth it even if we've just helped somebody else's player get back on track. Like Kovacic who i believe Real were willing to loan out but didn't want to sell, if Jovic came here and did well he may want to stay anyway and it doesn't matter if it's Real Madrid or whoever, having an unhappy camper in the squad isn't the greatest thing, especially if that player may not warrant being first choice anyway.

Kova's form last season has proven to be the definition of short term pain for long term gain. Had he still been a loanee in this season's form we wouldn't have had a snowball in hell's chance of keeping him.

[Superblue 6,372]

5 minutes ago, Tomo said:

Kova's form last season has proven to be the definition of short term pain for long term gain. Had he still been a loanee in this season's form we wouldn't have had a snowball in hell's chance of keeping him.

It just seems a sensible option if it can happen. That way we could potentially ship out Bats on loan and make him hopefully a more saleable player in the summer market (unless someone desperate is willing to pay silly money this January for him).

Like your point, Jovic could arrive, have a purple patch and score 10 goals and Real will want him back for next season. But if those goals have got us Champions League football which potentially means easier to attract key targets and more money to budget in the summer then it has still been worth doing. And if he went back to Real and still struggled, I'd imagine we would have a good chance of snapping him back up if we wanted him back.