Chelsea Transfers

[Tomo 21,733]

9 minutes ago, Pizy said:

True. As I said, Dembele would surely be a decent player to have in the squad. It's just that we already have strikers that are "decent" in Giroud and Bats. We need signings that will help bridge the gap to City and Liverpool.

I don't think I'd class Giroud or Bats as decent to be honest.

Oli was but his legs have gone and Michy is diabolical outside of finishing, as much as an alternative on Tammy's level will be a massive boost right now.

Usually my stance is suffer and wait for the "right" option however in this case I don't think we can, a competent alternative to Tammy is minimum requirement in my opinion.

[Atomiswave 6,072]

If the Club has ambition then we will make quality signings. I rather have 2 quality players in the summer than 5 semi average one. We need to close that gap, it may not come in 1 window but We must show the will and ambition that we are well under way.

[ChelseaFanUK 1,014]

30 goals in 71 games for Lyon.  Not too bad.  

 

I mean we'd all prefer Werner sure, but was he ever really an option for January? 

 

There is no release clause for Werner this month and Leipzig are not a club in need of money.  They would simply refuse to sell is my bet until the summer at earliest, and we absolutely need someone to challenge Abraham.  Just ain't going to sign the elite level strikers this month...  And tbh, Dembele is as good as Abraham, if not better dare i say

 

 

[Vesper 29,019]

50 minutes ago, ChelseaFanUK said:

30 goals in 71 games for Lyon.  Not too bad.  

 

I mean we'd all prefer Werner sure, but was he ever really an option for January? 

 

There is no release clause for Werner this month and Leipzig are not a club in need of money.  They would simply refuse to sell is my bet until the summer at earliest, and we absolutely need someone to challenge Abraham.  Just ain't going to sign the elite level strikers this month...  And tbh, Dembele is as good as Abraham, if not better dare i say

 

 

Lyon said he is not for sale in January

the club itself released a statement saying no, stay away

[ChelseaFanUK 1,014]

29 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Lyon said he is not for sale in January

the club itself released a statement saying no, stay away

They did the same for Mendy, Ndombele, Lacazette and Essien.  They'll sell when/if we hit the desired fee

[Vesper 29,019]

5 minutes ago, ChelseaFanUK said:

They did the same for Mendy, Ndombele, Lacazette and Essien.  They'll sell when/if we hit the desired fee

every one of those were summer signings

thanks for helping prove my point

[Nicco 927]

40 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Lyon said he is not for sale in January

the club itself released a statement saying no, stay away

Hopefully the same statement from Crystal Palace soon, either get quality or don't get at all. I'd rather add academy players.

[Jase 43,479]

3 minutes ago, Nicco said:

Hopefully the same statement from Crystal Palace soon, either get quality or don't get at all. I'd rather add academy players.

But when was the last time, if ever, that an English club release such statement?

[Superblue 6,372]

I'd still love to see us pursue some sort of deal for Jovic.

Our relationship with Madrid seems to be excellent with the number of players been traded in recent years, which may be able to sway a deal and the player could really benefit from more football in the second half of the season.

Even if they weren't willing to do a loan with an option to buy, I'd still be inclined to attempt to get a loan deal for him for the second half of the season and then we can review our options properly in the summer (i.e. Werner with his release clause, or at least if someone like Dembele is what we want we don't pay a January premium for him). 

Some may see it almost like a small club mentality to be borrowing another teams player but at the end of the day if we could add someone of his ability to Tammy and he scored a few goals for us that helped us get Champions League football then it would be well worth it even if we've just helped somebody else's player get back on track. Like Kovacic who i believe Real were willing to loan out but didn't want to sell, if Jovic came here and did well he may want to stay anyway and it doesn't matter if it's Real Madrid or whoever, having an unhappy camper in the squad isn't the greatest thing, especially if that player may not warrant being first choice anyway.

[Tomo 21,733]

4 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

Some may see it almost like a small club mentality to be borrowing another teams player but at the end of the day if we could add someone of his ability to Tammy and he scored a few goals for us that helped us get Champions League football then it would be well worth it even if we've just helped somebody else's player get back on track. Like Kovacic who i believe Real were willing to loan out but didn't want to sell, if Jovic came here and did well he may want to stay anyway and it doesn't matter if it's Real Madrid or whoever, having an unhappy camper in the squad isn't the greatest thing, especially if that player may not warrant being first choice anyway.

Kova's form last season has proven to be the definition of short term pain for long term gain. Had he still been a loanee in this season's form we wouldn't have had a snowball in hell's chance of keeping him.

[Superblue 6,372]

5 minutes ago, Tomo said:

Kova's form last season has proven to be the definition of short term pain for long term gain. Had he still been a loanee in this season's form we wouldn't have had a snowball in hell's chance of keeping him.

It just seems a sensible option if it can happen. That way we could potentially ship out Bats on loan and make him hopefully a more saleable player in the summer market (unless someone desperate is willing to pay silly money this January for him).

Like your point, Jovic could arrive, have a purple patch and score 10 goals and Real will want him back for next season. But if those goals have got us Champions League football which potentially means easier to attract key targets and more money to budget in the summer then it has still been worth doing. And if he went back to Real and still struggled, I'd imagine we would have a good chance of snapping him back up if we wanted him back.

[chippy 342]

4 hours ago, Vesper said:

Werner's release clause is 25m

his salary would be far higher than Dembele's

but not 25m over 5 years total outlay higher than what a 50m+ Dembele buy plus salary would be (or at worst it would be around the same overall cost)

and we are crazy if we put all our marbles into obtaining Sancho and Chilwell both in the summer

odds are not in our favour we land both, and I can easily see losing both (especially IF Pep stays at Shitty, as Chilwell himself said he is waiting to see what Pep is doing as he wants to play under him)

a big clue will be Ake

reports are out that Lamps is balking at triggering Ake's buyback as he thinks AC will come good

we are watching (if it all goes truly pear shaped) the foundations of Lampard's downfall being laid out

the team, as it is currently configured (and with a huge question mark regarding Kante's future) is simply not good enough to keep moving forward

extraordinary amount of question marks and hopeful wishes plus a status quo satisfaction and/or over reliance on a number of problematic players

15 players plus the loanee dregs

Willy (39 next season) Zouma, AC, Azpi, Alonso, Emerson, Kante, RLC (massive injury) Barkley, Mount as THE starter at AMF, CHO (looks a shell atm of his pre-injury form), Pedro, Willian (age and contract expired in 6 months), Bats, Giroud

plus all the dregs (possibly as many as 16, 14 for sure) out on loan and not yet sold, so still on the books

Bakayoko, Moses, Donkeywater, Miazga, Zappacosta, Danilo Pantic , Baba, Kenedy, Lucas Piazón, Mario Pasalic (Atalanta are supposedly exercising his option), Musonda, Lewis Baker, Jamal Blackman, Nathan, Marco van Ginkel (not sure if he is going to be renewed or released) Izyy Brown

its is madness to have around 30 problematic (some more than others and for many disparate reasons I do grant) players under contract

 

Apart from that everything else is OK.

[Vesper 29,019]

On 02/01/2020 at 11:33 PM, Nicco said:

Hopefully the same statement from Crystal Palace soon, either get quality or don't get at all. I'd rather add academy players.

not counting keepers

here are most all of the 'quality' players I rate in terms of actually obtaining

many are very young, others are veterans

some I only add because of links but I do not agree that they are worth the price

most are impossible in January and all will be hard pulls even in the summer

some are still going to probably be impossible then, or too expensive due to crazy high release clauses,and names missing (like Koulibaly) are now too old to buy for the price demanded

bold (2 for each position) are who I personally would most try for

CB Milan Skriniar (doubt he would come here), Alessio Romagnoli (Mino as agent fucks us here, grrr or he would be my number 1), Ibrahima Konaté, Raphaël Varane (pipe dream but what a bloody great CB), Marquinhos, José Giménez, Caglar Söyüncü, Gabriel Magalhães, Rúben Dias, then next after those, Ake (I do rate him as a ball playing CB)

LB Chilwell, Gaya (100m euros RC, insane), Alex Telles, Alex Grimaldo, David Alaba (Bayern likely will sell, and summer 2021 he is too old for me to recco a buy), Theo Hernandez, Robin Gosens,  Alphonso Davies (Bayern will never sell him, TBH if I could snap my fingers, after Chilwell, he is my 2nd choice, he will, perhaps someday VERY soon he will be the best LB in the world, he just converted at 19yo from winger to fullback and has been a revelation), Rayan Aït Nouri

RB Achraf Hakimi, Lukas Klostermann, Ricardo Pereira, Nordi Mukiele, Timothy Castagne, Youcef Atal (depending on how he recovers from a horrific knee injury), Valentino Lazaro

DMF Thomas Partey, Eduardo Camavinga, Declan Rice, Florentino, Sandro Tonali, Sander Berge, Denis Zakaria, Bruno Guimarães, Aurélien Tchouaméni

CMF Saúl Ñíguez, Marco Verratti, Houssem Aouar, Sergej Milinkovic-Savic (massive rebound year so far), Corentin Tolisso, Maximilian Eggestein (great young German, sort of Kroos-like, but more athletic and far less polished), Ryan Gravenberch, Jude Bellingham

AMF Kai Havertz (might be too expensive), James Maddison (deffo too expensive), Donny van de Beek, Dominik Szoboszlai (left footed, can play RW too I really rate him for the value), Martin Ødegaard, Dani Olmo (we have made an offer), Reinier, Mohamed Ihattaren (super youth talent, turns 18 in a month, I rate him very high, another lefty) , Isco, Jonathan David (can play at CF as well), Jack Grealish (many hate him, I think he is the real deal, he would only leave if Villa were relegated, and maybe not even then)

LW Ousmane Dembélé (only for a huge price reduction), Richarlison (too expensive though after 'EPL tax'), Ansu Fati, Milot Rashica (great young winger, Dortmund want him bad to replace Sancho, RB Leipzig as well, to replace Werner, he is tracking to 27 goals, 9 assists in 3600 minutes at Werder Bremen), Donyell Malen (can play CF as well), Krépin Diatta (potential Mane clone) Federico Chiesa, Zaha (IF 40m or less, so there is my stance on him)

RW Jadon Sancho, Nicolò Zaniolo (left-footed, plays AMF too), Mikel Oyarzabal, Hakim Ziyech, Samu Chukwueze, Leon Bailey (only for a low price), Calvin Stengs, Ferran Torres

CF Mbappe (pipe dream) Timo Werner, Lautaro Martinez, Mauro Icardi (but 99% sure PSG will exercise the option to buy him, as it is only £55m, and he is on full season minutes course to score 50 goals all comps), Paulo Dybala (probably a pipe dream), Victor Osimhen (I would like to see one more year of him, but I think he has huge potential), Luka Jovic (loan plus option to buy only), Myron Boadu (huge huge potential 19yo in 11 days 17 goals, 12 assists in 2200 minutes), Fedor Chalov (we are linked, trying to watch more, Russians worry me in terms of busts), João Pedro (now, as of January 1, 2020, at Watford after they got him from Fluminense for a ridiculously low price of £3.6m), Adam Hlozek (bonus youth, 17yo SS from Sparta Praha that all the giants are looking at, remember his name) Moussa Dembele at the end (I do not think he is worth £60m)

[ChelseaFanUK 1,014]

4 hours ago, Vesper said:

every one of those were summer signings

thanks for helping prove my point

and, its not the window thats the issue, is it?  Its the statements.

 

Of course theyd like to keep him, but theyd also like more money.   That statement is generic 

[Vesper 29,019]

Just now, ChelseaFanUK said:

and, its not the window thats the issue, is it?  Its the statements.

 

Of course theyd like to keep him, but theyd also like more money.   That statement is generic 

the only thing I am referring to is the window-specific nature

as in no January sale

what happens in the summer is far more wide open

[ChelseaFanUK 1,014]

Just now, Vesper said:

the only thing I am referring to is the window-specific nature

as in no January sale

what happens in the summer is far more wide open

Who knows if it will happen this window, but that statement does not mean it wont

 

 

[Vesper 29,019]

15 minutes ago, ChelseaFanUK said:

Who knows if it will happen this window, but that statement does not mean it wont

 

 

wrong

Chelsea warned off trying to sign Lyon striker Moussa Dembele in January transfer window

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2020/01/02/chelsea-warned-trying-sign-lyon-striker-moussa-dembele-january/

Chelsea have been warned off a January bid for Moussa Dembele after Lyon took the unusual step of publicly reaffirming their desire to keep the striker.

It is now up to Dembele whether or not he pushes for a possible move to Chelsea this month or accepts his club’s stance.

Dembele is one of a number of forwards Chelsea have been considering to bolster head coach Frank Lampard’s attacking options.

Chelsea have tracked Dembele’s progress since he was at Celtic and French reports have linked the Blues with a cash-plus-Olivier Giroud bid for the 23 year-old.

 

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[Vesper 29,019]

Arsenal join January battle to sign Nathan Ake after Calum Chambers injury alters Mikel Arteta transfer plans

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2020/01/02/arsenal-join-january-battle-sign-nathan-ake-calum-chambers-injury/?li_source=LI&li_medium=li-recommendation-widget

Arsenal are set to join the January tug-of-war for Nathan Ake that could involve as many as five Premier League clubs after Mikel Arteta admitted that the injury to Calum Chambers has changed his transfer plans.

Chambers underwent surgery on Thursday after rupturing the anterior cruciate ligament on his left knee in the defeat to Chelsea and Arsenal confirmed he will be out for between six to nine months.

Chelsea remain favourites to re-sign Ake thanks to an agreement that they can buy him for £40 million as part of the deal that took the defender to Bournemouth in 2017.

But Chelsea are facing the growing threat of competition for Ake if they do not complete the signing early in this month’s transfer window.

Arsenal have placed Ake high on their list of potential replacements for Chambers, along with Red Bull Leipzig’s Dayot Upamenco, while Tottenham Hotspur, Manchester City and Everton are also monitoring his situation.

 

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