🇩🇪 Kai Havertz

[Vesper 30,178]

11 hours ago, Jason said:

Money for Havertz... 

time for a Real Madrid breakdown

lol

and not so easy as they have SO many players out on loan and in limbo

I mark all the potential sales in bold

 

GK, they have no backup now, other than a youth with HUGE potential, but only is 21yo, in Andriy Lunin (I think he might, might be special, but too early yet)

CB they need some help here I would say, not completely sure they make moves this summer, but in 2021 they simpl have to

Sergio Ramos may leave next summer on a free and is now getting close to too old (turns 35 in 8 months) to be a full time great starter (has perhaps one year left, maybe two, as he is one of those rare genetic freaks)

they have the best or 2nd best CB on the planet in Varane, but then a big drop as Éder Militão has been a semi bust and Nacho is shit, Jesús Vallejo they will dump (Wolves sent him back already from loan, he was so poor)

LB they need help, Marcelo is washed up, and ZZ doesn't really truly fancy Ferland Mendy (who I think has not been nearly as bad as the Spanish press says) and for some reason, they want to sell Sergio Reguilón, who I actually rate a bit (he has been on loan and played great at Sevilla)

RB Also need help, as after Carvajal, they have pretty muc close to semi-shit, zero clue why they sold WC or near WC Achraf Hakimi, as they only have the double bust Álvaro Odriozola (a bust both at RM and Bayern, who refused to buy him after the loan) as backup

DMF they have the best (or 2nd best) DMF on the planet in Casemiro, but zero backup, literally nothing, which I think is madness

CMF 2 WC players, Federico Valverde and  Federico Valverde, but then not much as Luka Modric  is done pretty much as a WC player due to age (turns 35 in around 7 weeks) and Dani Ceballos is being sold to Are for £23m

AMF super overload Isco, James Rodríguez , Reinier , Martin Ødegaard,(on loan at Real Sociedad, where he has been superb)  and Óscar Rodríguez (out on loan just turned 22yo 2 weeks ago, the best, statistically speaking, free kick taker this year in a Big 5 league) they surely will liquidate some

LW Overload as well  Eden Hazard , Vinícius Júnior , Marco Asensio,, and  Brahim Díaz 

RW Overload again, but not the same talent as at LW   Rodrygo, Gareth Bale, Lucas Vázquez, Takefusa Kubo, and Alberto Soro

CF, it is Benzema, then a huge drop off, with the meh (so far) Luka Jovic, then multiple dregs, Mariano Díaz,, Borja Mayoral, and  Dani Gómez

bottom line

they need (some of this assumes they sell players they do not rate)

 

backup GK (if they do not roll with Lunin)

one CB

one LB

one RB (backup)

one DMF (desperately, as if Casemiro goes down, they have fuckall)

one CMF

and a good CF to spell Benzema, if they flush Jovic

 

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[Jase 43,479]

100 million euros for someone who is not that consistent yet, however talented he is, is kinda crazy. Better off adding another 20 million and sign Sancho instead.

[Puliiszola 519]

31 minutes ago, Jason said:

100 million euros for someone is not that consistent yet, however talented he is, is kinda crazy. Better off adding another 20 million and sign Sancho instead.

Don't think kai is being bought in as a winger. More as a 8/10.

[Jase 43,479]

Just now, Puliiszola said:

Don't think kai is being bought in as a winger. More as a 8/10.

Buy Sancho for the RW and move Ziyech to the middle. 

[Rapkun 668]

No club is going to pay that amount for him. We want him but we're not that desperate. 80 mil including bonuses max.

[Jype 6,398]

So if they're open to having part of the fee tied to bonuses then around £70+20M should do the trick. I don't think that's at all unreasonable for a 21yo attacking midfielder who despite his young age already has two consecutive seasons of around 20 goals across all competitions. And let's not forget goals and assists aren't the only thing he provides, his all around play is pretty good too and he still has potential for a big improvement. His positional and tactical versatility is also really unique, especially for such a young player.

If the bonuses/add-ons include stuff like the club winning titles (PL / CL). as well as some personal benchmarks like goals or even winning the Ballon d'Or then I'd say it's money extremely well spent if the clauses are ever reached. 

[Puliiszola 519]

1 hour ago, Jason said:

Buy Sancho for the RW and move Ziyech to the middle. 

Why have square pegs in round holes, when you can have the perfect fit. 

2 20 goals season along with general overall quality from a 21 year old is a great return. I would rather we get a potential wc mid than a potential wc winger (we already have 2 of those)

[Supermonkey92 1,428]

Why have square pegs in round holes, when you can have the perfect fit. 
2 20 goals season along with general overall quality from a 21 year old is a great return. I would rather we get a potential wc mid than a potential wc winger (we already have 2 of those)

Ziyech is a perfect fit for the number 10. As is sancho for the right wing

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[coolhead23 1,147]

1 hour ago, Jason said:

Buy Sancho for the RW and move Ziyech to the middle. 

I think Lampard is going for players who can play more than one position ... Wener (CF/LW/Striker), Ziyech (Middle/RW), Kai (CM/Upfront as 10), Sancho is a plain speedy winger who is scoring at the moment, I dont think he will suit the profile. More over he will cost loads of money and we have Said Behrami who can cover us as a winger at a low cost. 

 

[killer1257 3,282]

100 million euros for someone who is not that consistent yet, however talented he is, is kinda crazy. Better off adding another 20 million and sign Sancho instead.

Sancho is too unprofessional and I am sure he would want more money than Havertz.

Also, Havertz is only inconsistent when he plays as a no. 10. As a CF and RW he is very consistent.

Havertz is more versatile than Sancho. Sancho can only play winger and maybe striker. He is not creative enough to play no. 10 for instance. Havertz is an all rounder. I also think that Havertz and Ziyech combination would work fine because Ziyech likes to move to AM and Ziyech moves RW during the match.

And Sancho was not that great after Corona break.

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[Dimitr 488]

Ok he is ours  logically.

[Jase 43,479]

1 hour ago, Puliiszola said:

Why have square pegs in round holes, when you can have the perfect fit. 

2 20 goals season along with general overall quality from a 21 year old is a great return. I would rather we get a potential wc mid than a potential wc winger (we already have 2 of those)

Is it really fitting square pegs in round holes when Ziyech can play in the middle? 

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43 minutes ago, coolhead23 said:

I think Lampard is going for players who can play more than one position ... Wener (CF/LW/Striker), Ziyech (Middle/RW), Kai (CM/Upfront as 10), Sancho is a plain speedy winger who is scoring at the moment, I dont think he will suit the profile. More over he will cost loads of money and we have Said Behrami who can cover us as a winger at a low cost. 

Sancho can play LW/RW/AM.

And you said as if we are going to sign Said Benrahma when it's nothing more than just rumors right now and there's no guarantee Brentford will sell him cheaply especially if they get promoted to the Premier League. 

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44 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

Sancho is too unprofessional and I am sure he would want more money than Havertz.

You sure Havertz won't want a lot of money?

44 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

Also, Havertz is only inconsistent when he plays as a no. 10. As a CF and RW he is very consistent.
Havertz is more versatile than Sancho. Sancho can only play winger and maybe striker. He is not creative enough to play no. 10 for instance. Havertz is an all rounder. I also think that Havertz and Ziyech combination would work fine because Ziyech likes to move to AM and Ziyech moves RW during the match.

If Havertz plays on the RW, what about CHO then? There's also Ziyech for that position.

If Havertz play as the CF, then what about Werner or even your boy Abraham? Based on current form, Pulisic can't be dropped from the LW, which means Werner will play upfront.

48 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

And Sancho was not that great after Corona break.

And Havertz wasn't great in the first half of the season. But that shouldn't deter people away, should it? 

[Pizy 18,909]

Playing Ziyech centrally in our team seems like it'd be a total waste of his most dangerous assets. Probably 90% of teams we'll be playing against will pack their entire team in low blocks surrounding their box right in the area where he'd be if we played him centrally. 

Perhaps in more open games against the big teams where we have more space he can play there but I hope Lampard is primarily going to use him on the right.

[Special Juan 28,141]

If you remember back to the Ajax game at The Bridge, the ball he put in for Promise from the right for the header is exactly why he will deployed on that right for me.

[Jase 43,479]

Also, the one funny thing in all of this talk about the RW is that what happens if Willian stays on? Lampard loves him, is he going to keep on playing him week in week out? If so, then what about Ziyech or even Havertz?

[Pizy 18,909]

6 minutes ago, Special Juan said:

If you remember back to the Ajax game at The Bridge, the ball he put in for Promise from the right for the header is exactly why he will deployed on that right for me.

Yep, and if you watch his YouTube highlights that ball is basically his signature move. He executes that pass perfectly time and again.

Now imagine Pulisic or Werner getting on the end of that pass. Mouthwatering.

[Special Juan 28,141]

Just now, Pizy said:

Yep, and if you watch his YouTube highlights that ball is basically his signature move. He executes that pass perfectly time and again.

Now imagine Pulisic or Werner getting on the end of that pass. Mouthwatering.

Exactly.